The OT = UGH

[CMike]

I would be a mite more charitable, considering that Caleb is כלב, and dog is כלב, and it all depends on how it is vowelized (for want of a better term off the top of my head).

Peter

I wouldn't be a mite more charitable.

It's still the wrong translation.

And once again it insunates the worst of jews.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Jews only had to apply them to their own brothers and proselytes.

Your comments are very appropriate.

Disgusting! You need to understand that pandering to antisemitic distortions is not a Jewish value.

 

[Avi1001]

CMike, Rabbio is a Rabbi. Please show him the respect you would show an Orthodox Rabbi or a Chabad Rabbi.

Further, it is the definition of the name. Like CMike, you can't change it just because you don't like it.

I wouldn't be a mite more charitable.

It's still the wrong translation.

And once again it insunates the worst of jews.

 

[Avi1001]

Disgusting! You need to understand that pandering to antisemitic distortions is not a Jewish value.

Please explain why you accuse Pegg of anti-semitism (a serious accusation, mind you).

 

[CMike]

She stated that the name means a dog (which is derogatory) whereas it means faithful.

 

[Shermana]

No really. "Be fruitful and multiply", means have children.

Ah, I thought it meant to grow apple trees and do math problems. Well dang, this is awkward.

 

[Avi1001]

She stated that the name means a dog (which is derogatory) whereas it means faithful.

CMike, I am going to try to work with you a little on your logic. You said you are a graduate of advanced education from Yeshiva, so I assume you are intelligent.

Rabbio explained the Hebrew word for Caleb and dog are similar, and depends on vowelization. Either refute his argument using logical debate techniques or accept it. Do not just keep repeating the same incorrect information.

 

[roger1440]

No really. "Be fruitful and multiply", means have children.

Instinctive in our species is to create children. This is where the “Be fruitful and multiply” comes in. Genesis doesn’t say we need to take care of them. It also doesn’t say leave them where they are born and walk away either. It’s kind of a no brainer parents need to take care of those little critters. It is also instinctive to care of our children but not only our children. We also concerned about the well-being of our parents and siblings. We are also concerned about our tribe or clan. From there it goes on to our fellow man in general.
First we are compelled to protect ourselves, then our offspring, then family, then our clan and then the wider human race. Cannibalism is outlawed in nearly every culture on the planet. It would also fall under “Be fruitful and multiply”. All the laws in the entire Jewish and Christian Bible stem from the very first.

 

[Me Myself]

exactly right.

Anyone with a good understanding of the Mitzvot is very welcome to correct me but:

Honor the old and the wise

To not stand idly when a human life is in danger

Not to take revenge

Not to hold a grudge

Not to leave a beast fallen in work unaided

Not to afflict orphan or widow

Nt to refrain from assisting a poor man and giving him what he needs

Love the stranger

Dont wrong the stranger in buying or selling.

Dint wrong the stranger in words

Dont demand a poor man of a debt when you know he cannot pay you nor press him.


There are many others, but in general and simply put, it is flat wrong to say there are no rules that say you must treat well non jews

 

[Levite]

Anyone with a good understanding of the Mitzvot is very welcome to correct me but:

Honor the old and the wise

To not stand idly when a human life is in danger

Not to take revenge

Not to hold a grudge

Not to leave a beast fallen in work unaided

Not to afflict orphan or widow

Nt to refrain from assisting a poor man and giving him what he needs

Love the stranger

Dont wrong the stranger in buying or selling.

Dint wrong the stranger in words

Dont demand a poor man of a debt when you know he cannot pay you nor press him.


There are many others, but in general and simply put, it is flat wrong to say there are no rules that say you must treat well non jews

No correction needed: you're quite right.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Raping? What about the killing of children?

I don't belief a Christian who ever has children can belief the book to be fully true.

But the same would equally apply for Islam though. This is just a case of the teapot mocking the kettle as I already have been both a teapot and kettle before

 

[Pegg]

It's obviously not going to happen

its called english

 

[Sha'irullah]

If one was to critically exam the OT and NT the only conclusion that could rationally exist is that this god has bipolar disorder or chronologically occurring multiple personalities appearing one after the other.

Marcionism was a theological position that held that the deity of Israel and Greece were two separate entities. The issue though of course is how does one explains the Judaic references in the New testament without acknowledging the old and accept Jesus as a fulfillment of the Tanakh.

The whole though just collapses on itself essentially

 

[Pegg]

Does it say that?

there is a certainly a difference in how non hebrews are treated in the hebrew scriptures

one example is seen in the 7th year release of slaves. A non-Hebrew slave remained the property of the owner and could be passed on from father to son (Le 25:44-46), but a Hebrew slave was to be released in the seventh year of his servitude or in the Jubilee year. And the Hebrew slave was to be treated as a hired laborer. Ex 21:2; Le 25:10; De 15:12

thats just one example. Jews were to treat each other like brothers which is a good thing. But the law only required special treatment to jews or proselytes...not to people of the nations because the law wasnt for them, it ws the benefit of Gods people.

 

[Shermana]

You forgot to mention that we are only restricted from usury among each other.

 

[Shermana]

If one was to critically exam the OT and NT the only conclusion that could rationally exist is that this god has bipolar disorder or chronologically occurring multiple personalities appearing one after the other.

Marcionism was a theological position that held that the deity of Israel and Greece were two separate entities. The issue though of course is how does one explains the Judaic references in the New testament without acknowledging the old and accept Jesus as a fulfillment of the Tanakh.

The whole though just collapses on itself essentially

People who say this whole "NT god is sooo much different than the OT" have conveniently ignored Revelation.

 

[Pegg]

Disgusting! You need to understand that pandering to antisemitic distortions is not a Jewish value.

I think you may have misunderstood... what is being said is that the mosaic law only applied to jews and proselytes.

its not a distortion... its true.

 

[Pegg]

You forgot to mention that we are only restricted from usury among each other.

yes there is another example


Its because the mosiac law was for the benefit of the jews....not for anyone else.
God was blessing his nation with laws that favoured them. Jews had to show fellow jews special favour because they were all Gods people and God was looking after them.

 

[CMike]

I think you may have misunderstood... what is being said is that the mosaic law only applied to jews and proselytes.

its not a distortion... its true.

Another non new Torah expert...

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I'm saying that those laws only call Jews to love other Jews. They don't seem to have a universal application.

exactly right

Jews only had to apply them to their own brothers and proselytes. They were not permitted to have any association with the outside nations.

Your comments are very appropriate.

On the other hand, there has been a great deal of interpretation and re-interpretation of Judaism since the time of Christ. I am a reform Jew and reject much of the dogma of traditional Judaism.

Disgusting! You need to understand that pandering to antisemitic distortions is not a Jewish value.

Please explain why you accuse Pegg of anti-semitism (a serious accusation, mind you).

What I did is accuse you of pandering to antisemitic distortion, to the "Christianity's New Testament introduced love into an otherwise hateful and self-serving scripture" drivel that crops up in various guises. Your 'theology' too often appears to devolve into a groveling apology for someone's ugly caricature of Judaism coupled with an obsequious reminder that yours is new Judaism not at all like the Judaism that is being (in your opinion) so legitimately disparaged.

To engage in this debasement in the name of Reform Judaism is outrageous. Here is how Reform Judaism understands the Torah ...

Va’ahavtem et ha-Ger: Love the Stranger​