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[savagewind]

I have seen in people that to believe anything it must first be believed by at least two other people. Whenever I have posted a new idea the response I get usually is "no one else believes it so it can't be true".

I will show you in scripture who else believes the truth.

You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder. James 2:19

There is one God. How many messages does The One God deliver? One. The demons know it. Anything real is known by at least one more. Me and them make two. Isn't it?

So now please consider what I am saying.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

God doesn't count as a person (he's three, heh) and if he did I doubt he'd be a very impressive method of verification, considering just how many people disagree about what God thinks or believes or did or is. And anyone that claims to hear God's words directly tends to find their way into a jail cell or a psychiatric care facility.

 

[savagewind]

God doesn't count as a person (he's three, heh) and if he did I doubt he'd be a very impressive method of verification, considering just how many people disagree about what God thinks or believes or did or is. .

Yes. Thank you.

And anyone that claims to hear God's words directly tends to find their way into a jail cell or a psychiatric care facility

You wish. I do not know what "hears God's words directly" means but there are mighty religious leaders claiming to know what God is saying and they seem to me to be free.

I do not claim to know what God is saying. My claim is I know what God's son is saying. They are only the same to trinitarians of which I am not.

 

[Quintessence]

I have seen in people that to believe anything it must first be believed by at least two other people. Whenever I have posted a new idea the response I get usually is "no one else believes it so it can't be true".

You might want to point out to them that this is a logical fallacy. The merit of an idea is not determined by how many people accept it (argument ad populum).

 

[HonestJoe]

I have seen in people that to believe anything it must first be believed by at least two other people. Whenever I have posted a new idea the response I get usually is "no one else believes it so it can't be true".

I'm not convinced anyone actually says what you describe. They'd certainly be wrong to do so. That makes your comments about God and demons irrelevant, which is probably for the best.

 

[savagewind]

I'm not convinced anyone actually says what you describe. They'd certainly be wrong to do so.

They do. I understand I read posts most don't.

That makes your comments about God and demons irrelevant, which is probably for the best.

Irrelevant according to your opinion of the first consideration. Care to share or is throwing insults your only forte?

 

[savagewind]

Demons know what God is doing. Why else would they shudder? Demons are spirits so they can know what scripture actually means.

They are not the only ones knowing it.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I have seen in people that to believe anything it must first be believed by at least two other people. Whenever I have posted a new idea the response I get usually is "no one else believes it so it can't be true".

I will show you in scripture who else believes the truth.

You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder. James 2:19

There is one God. How many messages does The One God deliver? One. The demons know it. Anything real is known by at least one more. Me and them make two. Isn't it?

So now please consider what I am saying.

In 'this' subject, someone else believing in what 'you' believe does neither make 'your' beliefs right or wrong. But it gives some insight into what you believe.
We might stand alone and be right. We might stand alone and be wrong.

What we* should be careful of, is digging our heels in and thinking that we are right, and under no circumstances will we change, just because no one will agree with us. We must stay open, in order to learn new things. But they must be based in scripture, scripture translated as best it can be.

* That typed as 'she' at first. hee hee

 

[savagewind]

In 'this' subject, someone else believing in what 'you' believe does neither make 'your' beliefs right or wrong. But it gives some insight into what you believe.
We might stand alone and be right. We might stand alone and be wrong.

What we should be careful of, is digging our heels in and thinking that we are right, and under no circumstances will we change, just because no one will agree with us. We must stay open, in order to learn new things. But they must be based in scripture,

This is good advice. I am not invested in my own righteousness. I might be happy to discuss HOW I am wrong but they will not discuss it as they resort to insults instead. You are different. You are a gentleman and I trust God will bless you for it!

scripture translated as best it can be.

This is what I tell them to beware of. All scripture "can be" understood exactly as written because God is ALIVE. And to God all who wrote it LIVE. Luke 20:38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.

 

[idav]

All people are different and need different messages. One god may give many messages to many people. One god gives one message to one individual. Depends what this individual needs to know. Is one message sufficient for many, I doubt it.

 

[savagewind]

All people are different and need different messages. One god may give many messages to many people. One god gives one message to one individual. Depends what this individual needs to know. Is one message sufficient for many, I doubt it.

In a way this is very true. But there is only ONE end. The message is how to get there for a blessing. One blessed end.

 

[Robert.Evans]

This is good advice. I am not invested in my own righteousness. I might be happy to discuss HOW I am wrong but they will not discuss it as they resort to insults instead. You are different. You are a gentleman and I trust God will bless you for it!

Thankyou sister.

This is what I tell them to beware of. All scripture "can be" understood exactly as written because God is ALIVE. And to God all who wrote it LIVE. Luke 20:38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.

(Reception terrible today) That verse is interesting is it not? How can they be living yet dead? Ecc 9.5 says the memory of them is forgotten, Yet God says they are alive. Does that not sound like more than one reality? I say it does. Can God make more than one reality? I say he can.

Sometimes we can get hung up on scripture too much. Sometimes we must readdress what we believe, and see the basics, and make sure our life is in line with it. It is hard to change others. It is easy to change oneself.

Thankyou See, now you make me say 'thankyou' twice. Whatever next

 

[savagewind]

(Reception terrible today) That verse is interesting is it not? How can they be living yet dead? Ecc 9.5 says the memory of them is forgotten, Yet God says they are alive. Does that not sound like more than one reality? I say it does. Can God make more than one reality? I say he can.

According to scripture the God I worship cannot have two realities because then there would be two gods, one for each and two beginnings and two ends. If there are two ends there are two saviors. I like to keep things simple. One reality. Might there be more?

How alive? They live right now. God is not bound by time. Their memory is not forgotten by God. It is forgotten by men.

Who is bound for a thousand years?

 

[Robert.Evans]

All people are different and need different messages. One god may give many messages to many people. One god gives one message to one individual. Depends what this individual needs to know. Is one message sufficient for many, I doubt it.

It is more important to know the ONE GOD though rather than the 'one god' is it not. You are a pantheist, to which I also ascribe in general. But you do not seem to share the NT and Christ, which is a shame. The many 'gods' I would say are 'aspects' or 'attributes' of the One God, Source of everything.

 

[HonestJoe]

They do. I understand I read posts most don't. Irrelevant according to your opinion of the first consideration. Care to share or is throwing insults your only forte?

You simply telling me something is true isn't sufficient to convince me though. Nothing to do with two other people believing it too, just a lack of anything backing up your statements.

I'm sorry you're taking anything I'm writing as insults. I may be expressing contrary opinions to your own, and I make no apology for that, but insult isn't my intention.

 

[Robert.Evans]

According to scripture the God I worship cannot have two realities because then there would be two gods, one for each and two beginnings and two ends. If there are two ends there are two saviors. I like to keep things simple. One reality. Might there be more?

(I made a joke here, I took it out)

I think God is far greater than we give him credit for. The Bible to me is correct, but it shows only one level. It is like explaining to someone how to lay a brick to build a house, but not explaining that there are many bricks needed to be laid after that. So to say how to lay a brick in not wrong. But do we not limit God when we do this. In the OT it says 'do not limit him', I can't recall where.

How alive? They live right now. God is not bound by time. Their memory is not forgotten by God. It is forgotten by men.

Who is bound for a thousand years?

But if it is Scripture, and if Scripture cannot be broken (the lord's own words) then they also are forgotten by God. How so?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Do not you have a reality.
Do not I have a reality.
Is that not two?

You think that God is less than us? Think, expand your mind.

Who are we?
What are we?

 

[savagewind]

Do not you have a reality.
Do not I have a reality.
Is that not two?

We each have a small part of just one reality.

You think that God is less than us?

No!

Think, expand your mind.

I can see forever. I do not want to believe I am someone else also somewhere else.

Who are we?

I do not know who you are. I am nobody.

What are we?

You call me sister. I am your sister and so you are my brother.

 

[savagewind]

You simply telling me something is true isn't sufficient to convince me though. Nothing to do with two other people believing it too, just a lack of anything backing up your statements.

What did I say that is not convincing? One God? One message? That the demons know it? Which one are we talking about?

I'm sorry you're taking anything I'm writing as insults. I may be expressing contrary opinions to your own, and I make no apology for that, but insult isn't my intention.

Saying "your opinion is irrelevant" sounds insulting to me. It might be the first time someone said sorry to me. But when someone says "I am sorry YOU did something" it is not an apology, it is another insult. OK. I am too sensitive. But that's just the way it is.

 

[idav]

It is more important to know the ONE GOD though rather than the 'one god' is it not. You are a pantheist, to which I also ascribe in general. But you do not seem to share the NT and Christ, which is a shame. The many 'gods' I would say are 'aspects' or 'attributes' of the One God, Source of everything.

I think, even according to scripture, that pantheism is what Jesus was going for acknowledging we are all sons of the most high, that "ye are gods". He explained this further in his prayers as oneness.

"Split wood, I am there. Lift up a rock, you will find me there."