The overwhelming episode of "Rape claim" & its effect on Males look towards females

[oldbadger]

In North American, at least, violent crime rates have been going down for decades.

Really?

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o.../violent-crime-some-still-well-historical-highs/4 Dec 2017 - "The violent crime rate has risen, and the homicide rate has risen by ... increase in the rate of violent crime and murder in the United States.

There is an epidemic of violent sexual crime against women. When something like 1 in 3 women will face sexual violence in their lifetime, that's a problem. The statistics for men aren't so hot either. It's about 1 in 6, for men.

What % of men will report that they have been raped?
Please dion't separate out the genders from any violent crimes.

To say that many rape claims " are malicious lies" is to ignore the vast majority of claims that are NOT malicious lies, and which are actually true.

Wrong. It's not 'either or' it's all about investigating everything. You are still agenda bound, I think. It's all about recognising all crimes. Only this afternoon on the telly a woman was trying to explain why she falsely accused her husband of dreadful offences and perjured herself.
We have to keep 'eyes open' for all and any truth.

I agree that people need to be properly tried in a court of law, before going to prison for violent sex crimes.
In Kavanaugh's case though, all we were talking about was a job interview, which doesn't meet the same standards as a court of law.

It may be tried in a Court yet. If Kavanough wants to he could sue Ford for defamation and since her accusations are only recent she is not covered by the US Statute of Limitations on civil cases, is my best guess. I wonder how much was written down, and how much recorded?

 

[Shad]

How do you take an allegation seriously without believing it?

It is called a hypothetical and an investigation along with suspending belief until evidence is discovered.

 

[Shad]

In Kavanaugh's case though, all we were talking about was a job interview, which doesn't meet the same standards as a court of law.

It was no job interview. It was politics nothing more. Do job interviews have public hearings over allegation from 40 years ago? No. Do job interviews have protesters for both sides? No. Are the interviewers dead set on their votes due to political affiliation? No.

All you have demonstrated is your selective application of a principle at a whim and your willingness to ignore political farces.

 

[Revoltingest]

Really?

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o.../violent-crime-some-still-well-historical-highs/4 Dec 2017 - "The violent crime rate has risen, and the homicide rate has risen by ... increase in the rate of violent crime and murder in the United States.

Your link supports an overall reduction in violent crime over the years.
This just as an overall warming of the climate isn't defeated by a cold day in February.


And I know that you pronounce it as "feb you airy".
(And you say "lie berry".)

 

[oldbadger]

Your link supports an overall reduction in violent crime over the years.
This just as an overall warming of the climate isn't defeated by a cold day in February.

OK.......... On the side, yesterday was the hottest October day since yonks ago........ I was so hot today that I went cycling in a T-shirt.
Fair enough....... about violent crime.

And I know that you pronounce it as "feb you airy". (And you say "lie berry".)

Don't you start on us about silly pronunciations
Anyway, I say 'Feb-rue-erry'
And what the hell is a lie-berry? A fruit that can't tell the twoof?.

 

[Revoltingest]

OK.......... On the side, yesterday was the hottest October day since yonks ago........ I was so hot today that I went cycling in a T-shirt.

And shorts too, I hope?

 

[oldbadger]

And shorts too, I hope?

Nobody would notice me in shorts......

 

[Revoltingest]

Nobody would notice me in shorts......

But lunches wouldn't be lost.

 

[oldbadger]

But lunches wouldn't be lost.

....... breakfasts n all...... full english ones....

 

[SkepticThinker]

It was no job interview. It was politics nothing more. Do job interviews have public hearings over allegation from 40 years ago? No. Do job interviews have protesters for both sides? No. Are the interviewers dead set on their votes due to political affiliation? No.

All you have demonstrated is your selective application of a principle at a whim and your willingness to ignore political farces.

His job interview did not take place in a court of law. Some people are treating it as though it was. That is my point.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Really?

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o.../violent-crime-some-still-well-historical-highs/4 Dec 2017 - "The violent crime rate has risen, and the homicide rate has risen by ... increase in the rate of violent crime and murder in the United States.

If you read through this article you will find that:

"On average, for the last 30 years violent crime has been declining. In 1986, the violent crime rate was 620 violent crimes per 100,000 people. In 1991, the rate increased to 758, which was the highest it has been since 1960.
...

"For 15 to 20 years both the violent and nonviolent crime rates as measured by the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report (UCR) have been dropping like a rock. It is now at the level of the early 1950s. It is very low," said Alan Lizotte, a professor in the School of Criminal Justice at the University at Albany, in email correspondence with PolitiFact.

To be clear, you can have an uptick in crime from 2015 to 2016, and yet the numbers in 2016 are still lower than what they were a decade ago," said Kenneth Leon, professor at the George Washington University. "Sessions has a structural incentive to emphasize law-and-order-related rhetoric and make statements that suggest there is a crime wave, or that the U.S. is ‘less safe.’ He is selectively curating the data to fit his needs.
….

The murder rate spoke is driven by a small increase in cases, and still well below historical highs.”

There’s a graph right in the article that shows the long term decline in violent crimes in the US.

What % of men will report that they have been raped?

90% Of adult rape victims are female.

82% Of juvenile victims are female.

1 In 10 rape victims are adult males.

Victims of Sexual Violence: Statistics | RAINN
https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics
https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics

Please dion't separate out the genders from any violent crimes.

Sorry, it must be done. They’re vastly different numbers.

Wrong. It's not 'either or' it's all about investigating everything. You are still agenda bound, I think. It's all about recognising all crimes. Only this afternoon on the telly a woman was trying to explain why she falsely accused her husband of dreadful offences and perjured herself.

We have to keep 'eyes open' for all and any truth.

No, it’s right to say that the vast majority of sexual assault claims are not “malicious lies.” One example doesn’t make it so.

It may be tried in a Court yet. If Kavanough wants to he could sue Ford for defamation and since her accusations are only recent she is not covered by the US Statute of Limitations on civil cases, is my best guess. I wonder how much was written down, and how much recorded?

You wonder how much of what was written down and recorded?

She has recorded statements she made to her therapist, and several of her friends claim she told them what happened to her.

 

[oldbadger]

90% Of adult rape victims are female.

82% Of juvenile victims are female.

1 In 10 rape victims are adult males..

You have overlooked the probability that men, both young and old, cannot bring themselves to report such crimes. I do wonder if the higher % of male suicides might be connected to all of this.

 

[Shad]

His job interview did not take place in a court of law. Some people are treating it as though it was. That is my point.

The lines were blurred given the power of Congress and the political BS played by both sides. It was no job interview, it was no trial, it was a circus and witch hunt thus a farce

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The lines were blurred given the power of Congress and the political BS played by both sides. It was no job interview, it was no trial, it was a circus and witch hunt thus a farce

The question that the committee was tasked with was whether Kavanaugh should get a job for life. It’s personally reasonable for the decision-makers to hold him to a very high standard.

In criminal court, there’s an assumption of innocence because the accused is entitled to freedom if the prosecution can’t prove its case. Nobody is entitled to a position on the Supreme Court, so the “innocent until proven guilty” standard doesn’t apply.

In fact, given that it’s the Supreme Court, I’d say the standard should be that the candidate should be not only free of all impropriety, but also free of even the appearance of impropriety. The people need to know that their Supreme Court is fair and impartial. A lax standard for Supreme Court candidates translates into a lack of confidence in the court: “he has serious allegations against him but we can’t convict” can become “even though we can’t absolutely prove it, the court is probably corrupt.”

 

[Revoltingest]

In fact, given that it’s the Supreme Court, I’d say the standard should be that the candidate should be not only free of all impropriety, but also free of even the appearance of impropriety.

Americastan simply doesn't use the standard that one must be like Caesar's wife.
Both parties are OK with putting their own misfits in high office.
It appears that it's ad hoc for those who opposed Kavanaugh anyway.

 

[Shad]

The question that the committee was tasked with was whether Kavanaugh should get a job for life. It’s personally reasonable for the decision-makers to hold him to a very high standard.

Sure. Now if the committee was serious and not sitting on info, not following procedure and not divided by partisan politics I would agree. However that is not the case.

In criminal court, there’s an assumption of innocence because the accused is entitled to freedom if the prosecution can’t prove its case. Nobody is entitled to a position on the Supreme Court, so the “innocent until proven guilty” standard doesn’t apply.

This just shows you do not hold to the principle unless forced to. This reflects upon you and those like you.

In fact, given that it’s the Supreme Court, I’d say the standard should be that the candidate should be not only free of all impropriety, but also free of even the appearance of impropriety.

Nonsense as one single unverified claim could ruin a nomination.

The people need to know that their Supreme Court is fair and impartial.

Hence why the Dems avoided Kav's judicial record. There was nothing to attack.

A lax standard for Supreme Court candidates translates into a lack of confidence in the court: “he has serious allegations against him but we can’t convict” can become “even though we can’t absolutely prove it, the court is probably corrupt.”

Talk about standards when Congress is held to one.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You have overlooked the probability that men, both young and old, cannot bring themselves to report such crimes. I do wonder if the higher % of male suicides might be connected to all of this.

Violent sex crimes are under reported by all genders.

 

[oldbadger]

Sure. Now if the committee was serious and not sitting on info, not following procedure and not divided by partisan politics I would agree. However that is not the case.

This just shows you do not hold to the principle unless forced to. This reflects upon you and those like you.

Nonsense as one single unverified claim could ruin a nomination.

Hence why the Dems avoided Kav's judicial record. There was nothing to attack.

Talk about standards when Congress is held to one.

This^^^^^

Imagine a World where anybody can chuck a serious slander at a person, destroy their name and career, and then just walk away knowing that they have destroyed a person without any risk to themselves at all.

Kananough's private legal team might consider trawling the media and press for every single claim and allegation with a view to serving claims for damages where appropriate.

 

[oldbadger]

Violent sex crimes are under reported by all genders.

So what would you suggest for this situation to improve?