I don't see why so. The incredibly historically well-researched and award-winning biography "Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter" is not entirely consistent with many other accounts of the President. I like it though.
-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
The Paganisation of Christianity
- Thread starter ronki23
- Start date
I don't see why so. The incredibly historically well-researched and award-winning biography "Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter" is not entirely consistent with many other accounts of the President. I like it though.
I would still like an explanation for this.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Are you referring to Philo?
I wasn't referring to anyone.
It was explained to me many ,many years ago Christians purposely celebrated their holy days at the same time as others(the Jewish and Pagans) celebrated their holy or holidays so as to keep Christians at Christian celebrations and make it harder for Christians to celebrate with Pagans or the Jewish.......
Last edited:
firedragon
Veteran Member
Hmm. Okay. Since you said the Christians dont claim the concept of the Logos oriented with Christianity, where do they claim it originated from?
Greek philosophy. I don't know that any one person claimed to have invented the concept.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
And you can prove this . . . how?
firedragon
Veteran Member
Do Christians really claim that they got logos from Greek philosophy? I am only clarifying what you said.
Yes as far as I am aware.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Its not correct Rival. They also contradict and affirm that they are not really referring to Greek philosophy because in the Greek philosophy they used Logos to be more literal than the Christians. Christians refer to Philo because he was a Jew but hellenised as a precursor in scholarship, but not in Christianity per se. So Philo probably did inherit Logos from Greek philosophy because he was hellenised. But Christians claim that Logos existed since the beginning with God, equal to God, and eternal as God, and that its a Christian concept. Not Greek.
Nevermind. Thanks for the clarification.
It orients with Christianity quite well, at least as far as the author of John is concerned:
John 1:1 Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.
The idea of the logos comes in early in Greek philosophy ─ Heraklitos, from memory, but feel free to correct me.
the id
firedragon
Veteran Member
It was a typo. I meant "originated". That was the whole context of the discussion between me and Rival. Apologies.
Oh. I didnt know you are versed in Koine Greek. Thats great.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Oh that's absolutely correct. That is where Philo got the Logos from. So though he was a Jew, he was hellenised. But none of the Greeks ever had the same concept of the Logos as the Christians. Never. So since the concept of Logos is mentioned not in the generic, linguistic sense in John, he is thought to have been influenced by Philo. This is one of the reasons John does not get into the Synoptic problem.
A clear notch below my Latin, but I manage.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Still its great.
Easter is not Pagan. It is Jewish.
For instance in all Romance languages the word Easter comes from Pesach.
It is calculated on the basis of Passover, not on the basis of the Greco-Roman spring festivities.
Romans used to celebrate:
1) Spring equinox (dedicated to Attis)
2) Floralia (between late April and early May).
Christmas is on the day of Sol invictus, 25th of december. So...as for Xmas it is right
For instance in all Romance languages the word Easter comes from Pesach.
It is calculated on the basis of Passover, not on the basis of the Greco-Roman spring festivities.
Romans used to celebrate:
1) Spring equinox (dedicated to Attis)
2) Floralia (between late April and early May).
Christmas is on the day of Sol invictus, 25th of december. So...as for Xmas it is right
Last edited:
firedragon
Veteran Member
Hmm. Interesting.
It's certainly an unclear area, because of the wide ambit of meanings, even before we get to the Christians and the theology: my small dictionary provides "saying, speaking, speech, mode of speaking, eloquence, discourse, conversation, talk, word, expression, assertion, principle, maxim, proverb, oracle, promise, order, command, proposal, condition, agreement, stipulation, decision, pretext, fable, news, story, report, legend, prose-writing, history, book, essay, oration, affair, incident, thought, reason, reckoning, computation, reflection, deliberation, account, consideration, opinion, cause, end, argument, demonstration, meaning, value, proportion' and then it adds 'New Testament the Word'.
One may take one's pick. Perhaps we should translate it as 'thingie'.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Thats the reason I said earlier "in the Greek philosophy they used Logos to be more literal than the Christians". Christians dont use it in the literal sense or the dictionary meaning. Only John makes it a bit special, and Christians made it extra special, and that is why I said it is one of the reasons John does not get into the synoptic problem.