The Paradox of Atheism and God

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An atheist is more accepting of evidence. If falsifiable evidence of god's is shown then most atheists would investigate and in all probability would need to accept it.
Whereas theists have had thousands of years of no evidence and still believe

There is no proof for your first statement. If it was true, then you would have a point.

 

[ChristineM]

There is no proof for your first statement. If it was true, then you would have a point.

You think?

 

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You think?

Atheists are less likely to accept falsehood that is not proven. Maybe I can grant that, but I don't believe that either.

 

[ChristineM]

It can if you do good towards poor and feed hungry or do not deny day of judgment/hell or do not waste your time in vain discourse.

This is called being humanitarian, typical that a religious would take it for their own.

And your view is based on the false premise that atheists are not good and are vain

 

[ChristineM]

Atheists are less likely to accept falsehood that is not proven. Maybe I can grant that, but I don't believe that either.

Thats your problem. Institutional misunderstanding and bias against atheist is responsible for a lot of hatred and prejudice

 

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This is called being humanitarian, typical that a religious would take it for their own.

It will bring same results. However, most humans don't go out of their way to enjoin feeding the poor. If they do it, they might just spend some of their money once in a while. The ones who want social justice deeply, and go out of their way to spend on poor and enjoin others, to me, yes I believe will produce enough light to see God.

This is different then rich spending on poor once in a while to make themselves feel good. It means a genuine effort to help the hungry and enjoin society to do it.

They may start atheist but if they live a life like that, I don't believe they won't see God but will not only be lead to God, but have enough light to be guided by the lights of the heaven connected to this world.

 

[ChristineM]

yes I believe will produce enough light to see God

And i believe it will not,

They may start atheist but if they live a life like that, I don't believe they won't see God

You have no idea what an atheist is do you? An atheist will aid charity and help others because they want to not because a god tells them to

 

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And i believe it will not,



You have no idea what an atheist is do you? An atheist will aid charity and help others because they want to not because a god tells them to

I'm saying compassion for hungry and oppressed is a door towards God. You can start off hating God, but you won't at the end of it per my understanding.

Whatever the case maybe, it's a good door to enter.

 

[ChristineM]

I'm saying compassion for hungry and oppressed is a door towards God. You can start off hating God, but you won't at the end of it per my understanding.

Whatever the case maybe, it's a good door to enter.

I know what you are saying, you are attempting to paint a humanitarian in god colours. It is not needed to be good despite religions protestations.

No god to hate, it would be like hating Harry Potter. You simply cannot understand the typical atheist mindset

Not really a good door it may suit some people, it does not suit others.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

You pretty much described how things went for me.

Raised Catholic for a few years, it was a terrible fit, concluded theism was stupid and religion was stupid.

Went atheist for a decade and change and thought all there was to theism was what the dominant religion of my culture had to say about it.

Eventually realized that was wrong, did my homework, and figured out theology is actually a great deal more complicated than I'd thought.

Been theist ever since.

Don't let anyone tell you what the gods are but you.

My position lately is shaping up to be, "All sides get things wrong sometimes. Including myself."

 

[ChristineM]

My position lately is shaping up to be, "All sides get things wrong sometimes. Including myself."

Hey, woman here, I'm never wrong.

 

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Not really a good door it may suit some people, it does not suit others.

The condition of the Quran is not only to do it yourself but to enjoin (universally) on others (feeding the hungry). It's up to everyone how they want to live.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Hey, woman here, I'm never wrong.

And I'm Gender Fluid. Which means I only get things wrong about half the time.

 

[Audie]

Some people may think that atheism is the rejection of God, but what if atheism could actually incidentally end up the path to God? What if God exists, but not in the way that most religions claim? What if God is not a personal being, but a transcendent reality that can only be experienced through reason, logic, and evidence? Something which some atheists seem to be very familiar with.

Some people may say that atheists are doomed to hell for not following the Bible, but what is hell? Is it a literal place of fire and torment, or is it a metaphor for the suffering and despair that we create for ourselves and others? Is hell something that God imposes on us, or something that we impose on ourselves? Is hell eternal, or can it be overcome?

Perhaps hell is just especially real if one makes it a fear of theirs and a mental reality. Perhaps hell is the result of ignorance, hatred, and violence. Perhaps hell is the absence of love, compassion, and peace. Perhaps hell is not something that awaits us after death, but something that we experience in life.

If that is the case, then atheism may very well be the path to God. By rejecting the false and harmful notions of God that are propagated by some religions, atheists may be closer to the true nature of God than those who blindly follow them. By seeking truth and knowledge through reason and evidence, atheists "may" potentially be able to glimpse the divine order and beauty of the universe. By living morally and ethically without fear or coercion, atheists may be able to express the love and kindness that are the essence of God. In my opinion.

Maybe God does not care about what we believe, but about what we do. Maybe God does not want us to worship him, but to respect him. Maybe God does not demand our obedience, but our freedom.

Maybe atheism is not fully the rejection of God, but may end up one of many paths to the discovery of God.

Exactly! Same with Chupacabra.
The more you don't believe, them more
it's gonna bite you.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Exactly! Same with Chupacabra.
The more you don't believe, them more
it's gonna bite you.

Still working on my "The Paradox of Pantheists and Chupacabras" thread.

 

[ChristineM]

The condition of the Quran is not only to do it yourself but to enjoin (universally) on others (feeding the hungry). It's up to everyone how they want to live.

The condition of me is "just do it", no Qur'an, no Bible, no any other religious book, in fact, no books neededq

 

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The condition of me is "just do it", no Qur'an, no Bible, no any other religious book, in fact, no books neededq

No books needed in which scenario? If empathy is the only standard of goodness? Maybe. Maybe not, after all, there are reasons why atheists write ideological books.

 

[Quintessence]

My position lately is shaping up to be, "All sides get things wrong sometimes. Including myself."

That's one approach, yeah. Keep to it as long as it serves.

I ended up letting go of the notion of "right" or the notion that there is some sort of singular absolute truth to be had. It's not the approach that often gets discussed, because those of us who don't care about this tend to be silent compared to the (a)theist exclusivists constantly yelling at each other that they've got the "right" of it and the other has the "wrong" of it. Shrug. Let them argue. I will find my own flow and keep to it as long as it works, discarding and revising as needed as life inevitably changes. Knowing limits, accepting them, just being, going. Not always easy, and not a way for all, for all is not one/me/I.

 

[ChristineM]

No books needed in which scenario? If empathy is the only standard of goodness? Maybe. Maybe not, after all, there are reasons why atheists write ideological books.

No books needed to be good, if you need a god on your shoulders to tell you what is good and what isn't good then there is something terribly wrong.

And there are reasons why religious people fly into buildings

 

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No books needed to be good, if you need a god on your shoulders to tell you what is good and what isn't good then there is something terribly wrong.

And there are reasons why religious people fly into buildings

What is good per you? Why do you atheists write books about ethics or teach about ethics then? Why write books about human rights? Why have government enforce rules to do with morality?