The party of 'freedom' just voted against a bill to protect access to contraceptives

[Shadow Wolf]

Why vote to have more unwanted babies born and more poor and sick people?

"We don't like to kill our unborn. We need them to grow up and fight our wars."
-Marilyn Manson, We're From America

 

[Twilight Hue]

The nanny state never bodes well , but it's poetic justice to see the nanny state turned back on the Democrats who institute it in droves.

That said , it smacks of revenge politics with their little chess game, with the common person as pawns suffering at the amusement of the elites in power.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Because sex for fun rather than procreation is a sin.
This is something I've heard as a reason by fundies.

Well, they need to talk to Yahweh. He made us that way. Otherwise, women would only be receptive to sex during ovulation.

 

[Revoltingest]

This is exactly why I find the "both sides are equally bad" argument dangerously mistaken.

That strikes me as a dangerous view too. We often see
Dems take refuge in the cry of "False equivalency!" when
any shared bad trait is noted. Tis a way of closing their
eyes to sins in their own camp....ie, the other side is so
bad, that we cannot be compared.

Sure, sure...I agree that Pubs pose the biggest threat
today. But we old codgers have watched the pendulum
swing many times before. So I take a longer view.

What's a poor human cog in the machine to do?
Cast a jaundiced eye towards all parties, & decry evil
wherever seen. They all pose threats...even my party.
(We're just too feckless to matter.)

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Larger populations make for larger armies.

And all those unwanted black, Hispanic and poor babies make excellent cannon fodder, at little cost to anyone of importance.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The nanny state never bodes well , but it's poetic justice to see the nanny state turned back on the Democrats who institute it in droves.

That said , it smacks of revenge politics with their little chess game, with the common person as pawns suffering at the amusement of the elites in power.

Except what you keep calling nanny state is often voted on by the people and found in dem and rep jurisdictions, and involves no real liberties or freedoms.

 

[Truth in love]

What. A. Joke.



Worried by Supreme Court, U.S. House votes to protect contraception

It just might be the part were it compels the doctors to do something they find morally objectionable that prevented much support by the R's. You know that pesky 1st amendment thing.

 

[Revoltingest]

It just might be the part were it compels the doctors to do something they find morally objectionable that prevented much support by the R's. You know that pesky 1st amendment thing.

Doctors are much like other professionals, eg, real estate
brokers. They offer their services to the general public,
which is a "public accommodation". The law prohibits
them from discriminating based upon various issues,
eg, race, age, gender, sexual orientation, family status.
Yet some I've known some in real estate believed their
religion prevented them from renting to some people,
eg, gay couples, unmarried couples. Uh oh...trouble
ahead.
If someone wants to work in a field where their religion
would require them to violate the law, they should carefully
consider if this line of work is for them....or find some legal
work-around.

 

[Estro Felino]

What. A. Joke.



Worried by Supreme Court, U.S. House votes to protect contraception

They should have made contraception cheap and affordable through this bill.

 

[Estro Felino]

Doctors are much like other professionals, eg, real estate
brokers. They offer their services to the general public,
which is a "public accommodation". The law prohibits
them from discriminating based upon various issues,
eg, race, age, gender, sexual orientation, family status.
Yet some I've known some in real estate believed their
religion prevented them from renting to some people,
eg, gay couples, unmarried couples. Uh oh...trouble
ahead.
If someone wants to work in a field where their religion
would require them to violate the law, they should carefully
consider if this line of work is for them....or find some legal
work-around.

I have a relative that works in the medical field. And a friend of hers, a nurse told her that something very weird goes on, as for abortion facilities.
It is a fact that most women who get an abortion here in my country are foreigners.
Apparently, according to this source, whenever a Nigerian migrant asks for an abortion, she gets it. After 5 seconds.
If the pregnant woman is a blue-eyed Ukrainian refugee...the physician tells her: "why do you want to get an abortion?" "you need to be visited by a psychologist first" "you can give the baby for adoption, we will take care about everything, you will remain anonymous".
I don't know whether this source is reliable...but I was shocked when I heard that.

 

[Revoltingest]

I have a relative that works in the medical field. And a friend of hers, a nurse told her that something very weird goes on, as for abortion facilities.
It is a fact that most women who get an abortion here in my country are foreigners.
Apparently, according to this source, whenever a Nigerian migrant asks for an abortion, she gets it. After 5 seconds.
If the pregnant woman is a blue-eyed Ukrainian refugee...the physician tells her: "why do you want to get an abortion?" "you need to be visited by a psychologist first" "you can give the baby for adoption, we will take care about everything, you will remain anonymous".
I don't know whether this source is reliable...but I was shocked when I heard that.

Well, you know those Italian doctors....such racists.

 

[Estro Felino]

Well, you know those Italian doctors....such racists.

Their grandfathers, in the twenties, voted for...cough cough...

 

[Truth in love]

Doctors are much like other professionals, eg, real estate
brokers. They offer their services to the general public,
which is a "public accommodation". The law prohibits
them from discriminating based upon various issues,
eg, race, age, gender, sexual orientation, family status.
Yet some I've known some in real estate believed their
religion prevented them from renting to some people,
eg, gay couples, unmarried couples. Uh oh...trouble
ahead.
If someone wants to work in a field where their religion
would require them to violate the law, they should carefully
consider if this line of work is for them....or find some legal
work-around.

Compelling a person to do what they believe murder is utterly unacceptable.

 

[Revoltingest]

Compelling a person to do what they believe murder is utterly unacceptable.

A work-around for such a health care worker would be
to find employment in an organization large enuf that
others could perform the abortion. People gotta get
creative to cope with laws.

Not that I agree with government compelling us to do
things we find wrong, but the reality is that government
does enact laws requiring doing such things. People
can't just act as though this legal environment doesn't
exist. Even I have navigated such legal minefields, eg,
figuring out how to rent to groups of people that our
local government wants me to discriminate against.
This happens when tenants don't have the kind of
family relationship that government requires for the
zoning of the unit.

 

[Truth in love]

A work-around for such a health care worker would be
to find employment in an organization large enuf that
others could perform the abortion. People gotta get
creative to cope with laws.

Not that I agree with government compelling us to do
things we find wrong, but the reality is that government
does enact laws requiring doing such things. People
can't just act as though this legal environment doesn't
exist. Even I have navigated such legal minefields, eg,
figuring out how to rent to groups of people that our
local government wants me to discriminate against.
This happens when tenants don't have the kind of
family relationship that government requires for the
zoning of the unit.

I would sooner cut off my own arm than agree to such an evil destruction of the 1st amendment and its related rights.

 

[Revoltingest]

I would sooner cut off my own arm than agree to such an evil destruction of the 1st amendment and its related rights.

Instead of cutting off your arm, just avoid
employment situations where you'd have
to do something you oppose.

Speaking of arms...
I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.

 

[Truth in love]

Instead of cutting off your arm, just avoid
employment situations where you'd have
to do something you oppose.

Speaking of arms...
I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.

A threat to justice anywhere and all that.

the First amendment expressly bans congress from doing any such thing.

If we let congress pass laws the ban people from working unless they forgot their deeply held beliefs what freedom is safe?

 

[Revoltingest]

A threat to justice anywhere and all that.

the First amendment expressly bans congress from doing any such thing.

If we let congress pass laws the ban people from working unless they forgot their deeply held beliefs what freedom is safe?

The 1st prohibits establishing religion. But it
doesn't prohibit making some acts illegal, even
if one's religion requires them. Nor does it confer
the right to refuse some responsibilities required
by law, eg, driver licenses, paying taxes.

 

[Truth in love]

The 1st prohibits establishing religion. But it
doesn't prohibit making some acts illegal, even
if one's religion requires them. Nor does it confer
the right to refuse some responsibilities required
by law, eg, driver licenses, paying taxes.

Forcing people to provide abortions (or another morally objectionable act) is prohibiting the free exercise of their religion.

 

[Revoltingest]

Forcing people to provide abortions (or another morally objectionable act) is prohibiting the free exercise of their religion.

"Free exercise" does have recognized limits...even by many
of the faithful, eg, genital mutilation of girls, honor killings.
Being forced to provide differs from being forced to perform.
Does the latter happen?