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The Constitution guarantees a right of states to secede from the Union? Where?
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The People of TEXOARKLA
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The Constitution guarantees a right of states to secede from the Union? Where?
Smoke
Done here.
Laying aside for a moment the question of how you determined "when it was best," the U.S. has never been run by conservative Christian Bible thumpers. They have had a lot of political power at various times in our history (and always used that power for ill), but they've never been completely in charge.
Smoke
Done here.
The Constitution doesn't grant states the right to secede, and of course your Confederate ancestors were traitors, just as the Founders were traitors to the king. You may think they had good reasons for being traitors, but if armed rebellion isn't treason, I'd like to know what the hell is.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
So, to sum it all up, the author of this particular piece of spam is a racist bigot.
Smoke
Done here.
I didn't see anything racist in the OP, but I do find it curious that it's always the most backward, ignorant states that are so filled with hubris and a desire to secede, and equally curious that anybody would want to stop them.
I'd love it if South Carolina were flooded with fundies wanting to establish a theocracy. Real estate values would go up, and we could sell our house at a profit and move somewhere more civilized.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Through experience, it seems clear to me that anyone who purposely uses the President's full name in their anti-Obama rhetoric is a racist bigot.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Looks like saying the pledge of allegiance all those years, and singing the national anthem before all those ballgames didn't do any good.
shortfade2
Active Member
Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Reagan was definitely a Christian, and Teddy Roosevelt... Personally I love America, but if it keeps going left, and such...
Oh by the way, What did colonists say was the main reason that they were ****** off? Taxing without representation. now it is taxing with false representation
shortfade2
Active Member
It was after the civil war... I remember reading it last year, but I dont remember where.
Autodidact
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Here's an idea. If you love America so much, take a history class and learn something about it. Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian, not a conservative, and emphatically NOT a Bible-thumper.
Autodidact
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This is classic. I'm just going to let this hang out there as a wonderful illustration of your level of scholarship, research and accuracy.
shortfade2
Active Member
excuse me I ment lincoln. Obviously, you only know the atheistic, liberal side of it, but you should try reading up on both sides. You should learn about the parts of the US that you wouldnt like.
T-Dawg
Self-appointed Lunatic
They were deist, and very liberal for their time.
I thought we were talking about good presidents, not the worst ones we've ever had?
You love America? What the heck is wrong with you?!? (By "America, I assume you mean the pathetic American culture of materialism and convenience, the corrupt government, and the undereducated population who's IQ has been reduced even further with chemicals such as fluoride in the water supply. Please correct me if I'm wrong).
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
I've learned plenty about evangelicals, neo-cons, and corporate greed.
Autodidact
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Here's an idea. If you love America so much, take a history class and learn something about it. Abraham was not a Christian, not a conservative, and emphatically NOT a Bible-thumper.
Is there something I said that causes you to believe I'm ignorant of American history?
shortfade2
Active Member
BULL CRAP!! Lincoln was one of the more devout Christians of his day!
A quote from his wife.
"… As my husband was known to be the most loving and devoted husband & father we will allow these falsehoods a place where they deserve. We all — the whole world have been greatly shocked — at the fearful ideas — Herndon — has advanced regarding Mr. Lincoln's religious views. You, who knew him so well & held so many conversations with him, as far back as twenty years since, know what they were. A man, who never took the name of the Maker in vain, who always read his Bible diligently, who never failed to rely on God's promises & looked upon Him for protection, surely such a man as this, could not have been a disbeliever, or any other than what he was, a true Christian gentleman. No one, but such a man as Herndon could venture — to suggest such an idea. From the time of the death of our little Edward, I believe my husband's heart was directed towards religion & as time passed on - when Mr. Lincoln became elevated to Office - with the care of a great Nation, upon his shoulders - when devastating war was upon us then indeed to my knowledge - did his great heart go up daily, hourly, in prayer to God - for his sustaining power. When too - the overwhelming sorrow came upon us, our beautiful bright angelic boy, Willie was called away from us, to his Heavenly Home, with God's chastising hand upon us - he turned his heart to Christ —"[4]
A quote from his wife.
"… As my husband was known to be the most loving and devoted husband & father we will allow these falsehoods a place where they deserve. We all — the whole world have been greatly shocked — at the fearful ideas — Herndon — has advanced regarding Mr. Lincoln's religious views. You, who knew him so well & held so many conversations with him, as far back as twenty years since, know what they were. A man, who never took the name of the Maker in vain, who always read his Bible diligently, who never failed to rely on God's promises & looked upon Him for protection, surely such a man as this, could not have been a disbeliever, or any other than what he was, a true Christian gentleman. No one, but such a man as Herndon could venture — to suggest such an idea. From the time of the death of our little Edward, I believe my husband's heart was directed towards religion & as time passed on - when Mr. Lincoln became elevated to Office - with the care of a great Nation, upon his shoulders - when devastating war was upon us then indeed to my knowledge - did his great heart go up daily, hourly, in prayer to God - for his sustaining power. When too - the overwhelming sorrow came upon us, our beautiful bright angelic boy, Willie was called away from us, to his Heavenly Home, with God's chastising hand upon us - he turned his heart to Christ —"[4]
Bismillah
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lol wikipedia. If you cp'd that from the Lincoln religion article, you probably read that Lincoln never joined a church and was a secretive about his beliefs. I find it hard to believe that you know for sure that he was a devout Christian.
As for a quote from his wife. Ever consider the fact that all presidents have to pretend to be religious? She did this, most likely, to prevent any accusations against her husband's reputation.
As for a quote from his wife. Ever consider the fact that all presidents have to pretend to be religious? She did this, most likely, to prevent any accusations against her husband's reputation.
shortfade2
Active Member
YAY FOR WIKI!! lol. Yeah i got it there, but he frequently quoted the Bible.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
No, America is ran best when the values that the nation was founded upon - freedom, rights and equality - are honored and respected by its leaders.
http://www.ffrf.org/nontracts/xian.php