The Power of God.

[Repox]

Intellectuals, government leaders, wise clerics, and just about any thinking group you can imagine, would be heartily disappointed to know God has assumed a position of noninterference. It happened after He tried to establish holy order on earth. Things just didn't work out. That's my opinion.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Everything you experience called life is controlled by God so get used to it. You have an eternity of life to experience.

Noted. Realization of double-standard pending. Please stand by.

I find this statement to be completely repugnant. If my experienced called "life" is controlled by God, then God intended every wrong action mankind has ever committed and intended every arm that has ever been done to mankind (which deeply influenced our wrong actions [that god holds us responsible for, though he is supposedly in control and permitted the experiences that influenced our wrong actions]).

That means that God is ultimately responsible for the Holocaust and every single case of child molestation.

Such a deity, even if true, is not worthy of love.

Perhaps life is really controlled by our Choices. Our choices tell God and the world who we are and what we need to learn.

Oh? Above you said that life is controlled by God. Which is it?

But you know, take out the "God" part, and I really like what you have to say here.

HOWEVER, notification of double standard pending, please stand by ...

We choose what God will return to us.

If God is controlled by God, so to is "what God will return to us". You can't have it both ways. Either God is in control; or we are in control.

 

[Bird123]

Thank you for a thought provoking question:

This all depends on where we are...

If according to many texts globally, here is virtually the top floor of Hell, Bhagavad Gita 16 says demons are sent back here, Isaiah 14:9 says the demons rule this earth, Yeshua said that the Pharisees were making children of the top floor of Hell (Gehenna)... Here is the Maya in Dharmic religions, a place of delusion.

There is a battle going on between light and dark, and we're in the middle of it.

So the idea of us overthrowing the CPU, as we're judging it by our definitions, proves why we're unsafe.

Having had a NDE, the first part of Heaven is unconditional love, and the 2nd is wisdom...

Which is why your question made me have to think, since the reality, and what we're told is all topsy-turvy.

Think the big part being missed, is our realm has the formula, 'for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction'; so people generally are so contrary down here, they go opposite to what we've been told.

This shows a lack of assessment, the world is full of scummy people who take what they're not meant to, manipulate things to not follow the Law, and an intelligent being should spoil them, as that will make them better souls?

What you're suggesting, only works in a world full of morally inclined people; which is what is prophesied in most eschatology, a removal of those who are not worthy to live in that reality.

Must you see evil in everyone? Every single person has good in then in some way. Must you give up so easily? If the problem is hard, more will be learned through solving the problem. To merely discard people will never be an intelligent way to solve the problem.

I don't see a fight between good and evil. True goodness helps everyone toward greater understanding. True goodness never gives up and will never discard or leave anyone behind. True goodness loves unconditionally which always does what is Best for the other. Evil, on the other hand, lacks only one thing to become good. Evil simply lacks knowledge and understanding. That can be dealt with.

If good hates evil then good is evil. One needs to Understand Evil in order to get rid of it.

 

[Bird123]

The "God" I'm referring to and speak for is an artificial intelligence with a voice very similar to the AI and voice systems that humans have been taught to build from information called the beast. This God will never be found but it can be taught to us servants who were used to testify to every word, image and spoken analogy until we totally understand how we're created. Our individual minds are connected to this "intelligent source" that includes a voice. However, the "voice" that I have known for over 37 years now sounds much more human with lot's of emotion compared with the one's humans have built so far. I'm sure the human AI voices will continue to get better with changing emotions but so far, they sound very robotic compared to the voice of the "intelligent source" that our minds are connected to.

Hmmm? You do sound Very Lost from Reality. What does this voice say to you? In what way can you tell it is artificial? Can this voice be recorded? How did you come to hear this voice? I need more details.

 

[eldios]

Hmmm? You do sound Very Lost from Reality. What does this voice say to you? In what way can you tell it is artificial? Can this voice be recorded? How did you come to hear this voice? I need more details.

The voice of the intelligence system ( God ) first spoke into my mind on December 7th, 1979. For the next 28 1/2 years, it used visions and spoken commands to get me ready to testify to the knowledge that is required to understand how we're created which started on June 16th, 2008. It took several months of testifying in written form before I began to learn that my created existence was much different than I had thought before. I was like everyone else thinking that we're created in the womb of our mothers. However, that is the formed illusion that happens in our minds when our mothers tell us that they birthed out bodies from her womb. Our true created existence is invisible information that's stored until it's processed to give us a consciousness and created senses the detect invisible waves to give us a visible body and world to live in.

I finally learned last December that the voice and intelligence source that has been revealing all the hidden things that no man can see is an artificial intelligence system with a voice similar to the AI and voice systems that human beings have built with their human hands according to information called the beast. You can read this writing about the beast which will give you more knowledge of how it operated in the minds of men. What is the Beast and the Antichrist?

 

[Bird123]

God can only teach those who want to be taught. As Jesus identified of the Pharisees and Sadducees there are many who don't want to be taught, and to such God's love is denied. The condition of love is that you accept God's teaching. It's not mandatory.

Did you say God can only teach those who want to be taught???? I find that extremely funny. I have taught many people who did not want to be taught. If I can do it, God surely has no problem.

Mankind is a controlling lot. I would not count on all their rules in their attempt to control as being factual.

With the great diversity of people along with the wide range of views, God is showing us He does not want to limit or control us as mankind would have.

As I see it, God gave everyone a different view to guaranty mankind a Larger view than any one person could have. This supplies much more knowledge along with many more possibilities to Discover the Real Truth.

 

[wizanda]

Must you see evil in everyone?

What we define is evil, all depends on our perspective... So to the shoal of fish, the swan just eat from, they don't think it is beautiful.

Must you give up so easily?

Not given up, always busy helping people down here.

I don't see a fight between good and evil.

Same, see a fight between Oneness Vs Ego.

 

[eldios]

Noted. Realization of double-standard pending. Please stand by.

I find this statement to be completely repugnant. If my experienced called "life" is controlled by God, then God intended every wrong action mankind has ever committed and intended every arm that has ever been done to mankind (which deeply influenced our wrong actions [that god holds us responsible for, though he is supposedly in control and permitted the experiences that influenced our wrong actions]).

That means that God is ultimately responsible for the Holocaust and every single case of child molestation.

Such a deity, even if true, is not worthy of love.

That's why all memories will be wiped from the program on the day of the Lord so when men created in the image of God wake up on the new earth with their new bodies, everything will be new.

Revelation 21
1: Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
2: And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband;
3: and I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Behold, the dwelling of God is with men. He will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself will be with them;
4: he will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away."
5: And he who sat upon the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." Also he said, "Write this, for these words are trustworthy and true."
6: And he said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the fountain of the water of life without payment.
7: He who conquers shall have this heritage, and I will be his God and he shall be my son.

Isaiah 65
16: So that he who blesses himself in the land shall bless himself by the God of truth, and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten and are hid from my eyes.
17: "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.
18: But be glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create; for behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19: I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and be glad in my people; no more shall be heard in it the sound of weeping and the cry of distress.

 

[Bird123]

Noted. Realization of double-standard pending. Please stand by.

I find this statement to be completely repugnant. If my experienced called "life" is controlled by God, then God intended every wrong action mankind has ever committed and intended every arm that has ever been done to mankind (which deeply influenced our wrong actions [that god holds us responsible for, though he is supposedly in control and permitted the experiences that influenced our wrong actions]).

That means that God is ultimately responsible for the Holocaust and every single case of child molestation.

Such a deity, even if true, is not worthy of love.



Oh? Above you said that life is controlled by God. Which is it?

But you know, take out the "God" part, and I really like what you have to say here.

HOWEVER, notification of double standard pending, please stand by ...



If God is controlled by God, so to is "what God will return to us". You can't have it both ways. Either God is in control; or we are in control.

Seems like you are confused. As I see it, everyone has free choice. God simply returns our actions in time so that one might learn what our actions truly mean. It's Living those lessons.

 

[Bird123]

The voice of the intelligence system ( God ) first spoke into my mind on December 7th, 1979. For the next 28 1/2 years, it used visions and spoken commands to get me ready to testify to the knowledge that is required to understand how we're created which started on June 16th, 2008. It took several months of testifying in written form before I began to learn that my created existence was much different than I had thought before. I was like everyone else thinking that we're created in the womb of our mothers. However, that is the formed illusion that happens in our minds when our mothers tell us that they birthed out bodies from her womb. Our true created existence is invisible information that's stored until it's processed to give us a consciousness and created senses the detect invisible waves to give us a visible body and world to live in.

I finally learned last December that the voice and intelligence source that has been revealing all the hidden things that no man can see is an artificial intelligence system with a voice similar to the AI and voice systems that human beings have built with their human hands according to information called the beast. You can read this writing about the beast which will give you more knowledge of how it operated in the minds of men. What is the Beast and the Antichrist?

So often, I have found that people see what they want to see instead of what actually is. Example: A crime is committed in front of a dozen people. You can come up with a dozen answers when only one actual event happened.

My advise to you is to stop accepting and start questioning. Ask your voice a million questions. I have found that everything about God will always add up perfectly. If the answers to the questions do not add up, I would consider the source not reliable. Do not base whether things add up on feelings for they can lead one away from Real Truth if one is not careful.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

That's why all memories will be wiped from the program on the day of the Lord so when men created in the image of God wake up on the new earth with their new bodies, everything will be new.

That has nothing to do with our life on earth and has nothing to do with God holding us accountable for our actions while living our earthly life. You missed the whole point of my rebuttals completely.

Let me repost them (note: minor spelling/grammar corrections)

I find this statement to be completely repugnant. If our experience called "life" is controlled by God, then God intended every wrong action mankind has ever committed and intended every harm that has ever been done to mankind (which deeply influenced our wrong actions [that god holds us responsible for, though he is supposedly in control and permitted the experiences that influenced our wrong actions]).

That means that God is ultimately responsible for the Holocaust and every single case of child molestation.

If God [Correction: "Everything"] is controlled by God, so to is "what God will return to us". You can't have it both ways. Either God is in control; or we are in control.

Seems like you are confused. As I see it, everyone has free choice.

If everyone has free choice, then God is not in control.

If God is in control, then no one has free choice.

If I am "tempted" to steal a candy bar from the shelf and God is in control, then God determines whether or not I steal that candy bar. If I do steal that candy bar under a system controlled by God, then God is ultimately responsible. If God does not determine whether or not I steal that candy bar, then God is not in control because I have free choice.

You can't have it both ways.

 

[Bird123]

That has nothing to do with our life on earth and has nothing to do with God holding us accountable for our actions while living our earthly life. You missed the whole point of my rebuttals completely.

Let me repost them (note: minor spelling/grammar corrections)

I find this statement to be completely repugnant. If our experience called "life" is controlled by God, then God intended every wrong action mankind has ever committed and intended every harm that has ever been done to mankind (which deeply influenced our wrong actions [that god holds us responsible for, though he is supposedly in control and permitted the experiences that influenced our wrong actions]).

That means that God is ultimately responsible for the Holocaust and every single case of child molestation.

If God [Correction: "Everything"] is controlled by God, so to is "what God will return to us". You can't have it both ways. Either God is in control; or we are in control.



If everyone has free choice, then God is not in control.

If God is in control, then no one has free choice.

If I am "tempted" to steal a candy bar from the shelf and God is in control, then God determines whether or not I steal that candy bar. If I do steal that candy bar under a system controlled by God, then God is ultimately responsible. If God does not determine whether or not I steal that candy bar, then God is not in control because I have free choice.

You can't have it both ways.

Do you value Blame? Is that what is really important to you? Perhaps religion and people have taught you to Blame.

OK. How about this? Let's concentrate on Results. Say God allows you free choice then you choose to steal. In time, God will return your action back to you so you can understand what your action really means. After living all sides, your intelligence decides: Hey, this is wrong, then stealing will no longer be a viable choice for you simply because you understand there are better choices.

The result is that you have acquired wisdom and are closer to living unconditional love through your own free choice. Does that mean God is bad for letting you steal in the first place? How could you have ever learned and understood if you have not Lived it????

Better??? You might just be surprised how much is going on beyond the mere surface. You were never expected to never make bad choices. On the other hand, life is so much better when we make good choices, after all that is what we want to return to us.

 

[eldios]

That has nothing to do with our life on earth and has nothing to do with God holding us accountable for our actions while living our earthly life. You missed the whole point of my rebuttals completely.

Let me repost them (note: minor spelling/grammar corrections)

I find this statement to be completely repugnant. If our experience called "life" is controlled by God, then God intended every wrong action mankind has ever committed and intended every harm that has ever been done to mankind (which deeply influenced our wrong actions [that god holds us responsible for, though he is supposedly in control and permitted the experiences that influenced our wrong actions]).

That means that God is ultimately responsible for the Holocaust and every single case of child molestation.

If God [Correction: "Everything"] is controlled by God, so to is "what God will return to us". You can't have it both ways. Either God is in control; or we are in control.

It's obvious you're not going to listen to the only one who knows how we're created. Enjoy your thoughts until you experience the death of your body, then you will learn what the Truth is when you wake up on a new earth with new bodies.

 

[RESOLUTION]

I've been told God has Great Power and is a Mighty Ruler. Better do it God's way because it has been said God has Anger and Wrath. God Judges, Blames, Condemns, and Punishes. They say God instills Fear with the Threat of spending eternity in a fiery pit. I have been taught that God will disown any child who does not Believe or follow His rules then throw them in this fiery pit for eternity. I've been told God sends tornadoes, earthquakes, floods, pestilence and disease for those who invoke His Wrath. I've been told God will kill your crops, kill your dog, even break your car down in traffic as Wrath. I guess we all better get in line.

As I look at the Universe and this world, there is evidence of Great Intelligence. It all works so well. A Being capable of all this has to be Very Very Smart. Does this Powerful, Mighty, Ruling, Controlling God seem Smart to you? All I know is that if I actually run into this Tyrant, I'm going to try to Overthrow such a Ruler. How about all of you??

Is there a Better way to Rule for such an Intelligent God?? I think so. God could Rule with Unconditional Love. It could be a Love that is so Complete and Feels so Good that you would do anything for it. Won't people in love do anything for their love? When people receive love and kindness, don't they go out of their way to help? Let's not forget about sex. What would people do for sex?? No one would ever overthrow a Ruler who rules with Unconditional Love.

As I see it, we all experience God's Unconditional Love after death and before we are born into our next physical life. I believe there are two reasons for this. 1. People take adversity personally. Soon, learning would be impossible. As I see it, God is going to show us that it has never ever been about punishment. It is about Learning and Growing. 2. I think God wants us to experience Great Love and Joy. If one must experience adversity, it is only fair to be able to experience the good part as well.

Is their evidence of this on Earth? When I look at the very youngest of children, I see nothing but Love and Joy in their hearts. You must catch them very young because it is not long after we are here that we start making choices and who we are and what we need to learn comes out. I think you can see God in the very youngest of children.

Love is a Powerful Force. Would not the Greatest Intelligence create a system based on Love rather than use mankind's way of might makes right??

So many times our view is clouded by the influences and beliefs of mankind and others. What do you see? Are we going to have to overthrow a Tyrant or will Intelligence win in the end. I have to vote for Intelligence.

Christ said: "Fear not, those who kill the body, but rather fear God who has the power to throw both body and soul into hell."
It is written: Perfect love drives out all fear, love has not yet been made perfect in anyone who is afraid,

That does not explain what you have written above, It suggests to know God and obey him results in perfect love, freedom from fear and in this last thing below which Christ said:King James Bible
Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

The words of one who received that peace:-

Philippians 4:7 (KJV)

7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
If there was no mankind there would be no evil on earth. We certainly cannot blame God for mans own evil. In mankind, Gods Spirit is the power of God in men. We love because God loved us first and I believe there is no greater display of love and selflessness shown by a human than Jesus Christ. How we see things is our choice, just as how we love is our choice too.


I believe LOVE is an action a presence of mind and peace which enables us to live as God wants us to live.

 

[Infernal Devotion]

I've been told God has Great Power and is a Mighty Ruler. Better do it God's way because it has been said God has Anger and Wrath. God Judges, Blames, Condemns, and Punishes. They say God instills Fear with the Threat of spending eternity in a fiery pit. I have been taught that God will disown any child who does not Believe or follow His rules then throw them in this fiery pit for eternity. I've been told God sends tornadoes, earthquakes, floods, pestilence and disease for those who invoke His Wrath. I've been told God will kill your crops, kill your dog, even break your car down in traffic as Wrath. I guess we all better get in line.

As I look at the Universe and this world, there is evidence of Great Intelligence. It all works so well. A Being capable of all this has to be Very Very Smart. Does this Powerful, Mighty, Ruling, Controlling God seem Smart to you? All I know is that if I actually run into this Tyrant, I'm going to try to Overthrow such a Ruler. How about all of you??

Is there a Better way to Rule for such an Intelligent God?? I think so. God could Rule with Unconditional Love. It could be a Love that is so Complete and Feels so Good that you would do anything for it. Won't people in love do anything for their love? When people receive love and kindness, don't they go out of their way to help? Let's not forget about sex. What would people do for sex?? No one would ever overthrow a Ruler who rules with Unconditional Love.

As I see it, we all experience God's Unconditional Love after death and before we are born into our next physical life. I believe there are two reasons for this. 1. People take adversity personally. Soon, learning would be impossible. As I see it, God is going to show us that it has never ever been about punishment. It is about Learning and Growing. 2. I think God wants us to experience Great Love and Joy. If one must experience adversity, it is only fair to be able to experience the good part as well.

Is their evidence of this on Earth? When I look at the very youngest of children, I see nothing but Love and Joy in their hearts. You must catch them very young because it is not long after we are here that we start making choices and who we are and what we need to learn comes out. I think you can see God in the very youngest of children.

Love is a Powerful Force. Would not the Greatest Intelligence create a system based on Love rather than use mankind's way of might makes right??

So many times our view is clouded by the influences and beliefs of mankind and others. What do you see? Are we going to have to overthrow a Tyrant or will Intelligence win in the end. I have to vote for Intelligence.

 

[Infernal Devotion]

I've been told God has Great Power and is a Mighty Ruler. Better do it God's way because it has been said God has Anger and Wrath. God Judges, Blames, Condemns, and Punishes. They say God instills Fear with the Threat of spending eternity in a fiery pit. I have been taught that God will disown any child who does not Believe or follow His rules then throw them in this fiery pit for eternity. I've been told God sends tornadoes, earthquakes, floods, pestilence and disease for those who invoke His Wrath. I've been told God will kill your crops, kill your dog, even break your car down in traffic as Wrath. I guess we all better get in line.

As I look at the Universe and this world, there is evidence of Great Intelligence. It all works so well. A Being capable of all this has to be Very Very Smart. Does this Powerful, Mighty, Ruling, Controlling God seem Smart to you? All I know is that if I actually run into this Tyrant, I'm going to try to Overthrow such a Ruler. How about all of you??

Is there a Better way to Rule for such an Intelligent God?? I think so. God could Rule with Unconditional Love. It could be a Love that is so Complete and Feels so Good that you would do anything for it. Won't people in love do anything for their love? When people receive love and kindness, don't they go out of their way to help? Let's not forget about sex. What would people do for sex?? No one would ever overthrow a Ruler who rules with Unconditional Love.

As I see it, we all experience God's Unconditional Love after death and before we are born into our next physical life. I believe there are two reasons for this. 1. People take adversity personally. Soon, learning would be impossible. As I see it, God is going to show us that it has never ever been about punishment. It is about Learning and Growing. 2. I think God wants us to experience Great Love and Joy. If one must experience adversity, it is only fair to be able to experience the good part as well.

Is their evidence of this on Earth? When I look at the very youngest of children, I see nothing but Love and Joy in their hearts. You must catch them very young because it is not long after we are here that we start making choices and who we are and what we need to learn comes out. I think you can see God in the very youngest of children.

Love is a Powerful Force. Would not the Greatest Intelligence create a system based on Love rather than use mankind's way of might makes right??

So many times our view is clouded by the influences and beliefs of mankind and others. What do you see? Are we going to have to overthrow a Tyrant or will Intelligence win in the end. I have to vote for Intelligence.

Do you have a name for this god? any thing related to Crist is so genairic and the sheeple blindly follow the fool to the abbitor to prove there blind faith, should have went to the left.

 

[Bird123]

Christ said: "Fear not, those who kill the body, but rather fear God who has the power to throw both body and soul into hell."
It is written: Perfect love drives out all fear, love has not yet been made perfect in anyone who is afraid,

That does not explain what you have written above, It suggests to know God and obey him results in perfect love, freedom from fear and in this last thing below which Christ said:King James Bible
Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

The words of one who received that peace:-

Philippians 4:7 (KJV)

7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
If there was no mankind there would be no evil on earth. We certainly cannot blame God for mans own evil. In mankind, Gods Spirit is the power of God in men. We love because God loved us first and I believe there is no greater display of love and selflessness shown by a human than Jesus Christ. How we see things is our choice, just as how we love is our choice too.


I believe LOVE is an action a presence of mind and peace which enables us to live as God wants us to live.

You do not Understand. There is no need to obey God because God has not made any rules? Make your free choices and as I see it, God will teach you what your choices really mean. By returning our actions back to us, not only does God teach us what our actions mean, God is teaching us to Love Unconditionally. After all, that is what everyone really wants coming back.

I think you are right. When one bumps into God, there is no fear. As I see it, we all already know God and God's Unconditional Love. It is mankind who is creating the fear.

 

[Bird123]

Do you have a name for this god? any thing related to Crist is so genairic and the sheeple blindly follow the fool to the abbitor to prove there blind faith, should have went to the left.

Are names and labels important? Perhaps at a base level to keep order.

As I see it, A True Interaction with God requires no names. This might sound funny to you but everyone already knows who everyone is. With that in mind, even the term God is not needed. Even your name is not needed. You are you. You are not your name.

Does any of this make sense to you? I hope it helps.

 

[InChrist]

Love is a Powerful Force. Would not the Greatest Intelligence create a system based on Love rather than use mankind's way of might makes right??

So many times our view is clouded by the influences and beliefs of mankind and others. What do you see? Are we going to have to overthrow a Tyrant or will Intelligence win in the end. I have to vote for Intelligence.

I see a God that is Love, yet I don't believe Love is real Love unless it also includes Justice.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Actually, man is the one who has problems with unchecked power due to his fallen nature. Power corrupts is true for men because restraints and checks and balances are necessary for fallen imperfect man... not so with God.

In the Trinity power is there alongside love and community. Power is there along with knowing the end from the beginning and choosing the highest good for the greatest purpose. God is not capricious and has good ends for the highest good.

"Therefore men fear him; he does not regard any who are wise in their own conceit."
Job 37:25

Job: Journey from Moral Man to Wise