The principle of vibration

[Mr Cheese]

when it comes to vibratiosn fo course there is a long history....

including chanting or uttering the correct name of God in Hebrew, which contains 232 letters??? (or is it 222??) of course finding the right combination would be a pain...perhaps this si why it has alluded jews...? or mayube not

Indeed all creation can be seen a s avibration.

The english industrial music pioneers throbbing gristle always carried a violin off stage.....just in case the vibration that created the universe was "hit"....

then of course there is the brown note...

 

[Mr Cheese]

I'm all kinds of NOT STILL... a toast to friend zenzero... helping to kick open the doors of perception.

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Me and the spirit of Max Planck grooving to Morrison and the gang a hundred years after - like a dog without a bone, an actor out on loan - here's Max, back in the day:

E = hv. ...I'm not sure what it means, but it is cool as hell! At the time, nobody really knew, it wasn't exactly possible; but twenty-five years later it became part of the foundation of the most successful theorizing ever done by science. The quantum theory. And thus Planck is immortalized in the unassuming h, Planck's constant - the philosopher's stone transmuting frequency to energy.

:disco:

Got another one for ya. Benoit Mandelbrot has got a ruler in his hands and a map of the British Isles on the walls - hmmm, how long is the coastline of England? - and looks closer. Well, I guess that depends upon how close one gets ...and the size of one's ruler. Would you believe, infinite? They say Nietzsche killed God. They were wrong. A french mathematician and an IBM mainframe killed God with sixteen lines of code. God is dead. Long live god.

:band:

A defining characteristic of fractal geometry is self-similarity over differing orders of magnitude. All in THE ALL, THE ALL in all. Ol' Benoit answers a question the Initiates presumed hidden from mortal eyes, smacks the unruly student on the knuckles with his ruler... you are causing the creator to create. Be still. Next up, symmetry...

I read half that book - then had to go make an online journey to acquire some kind of surety that this wasn't some kind of prank, or joke or fluff or... found in some dusty ol' corner of some obscure bookstore back in the twenties? A repository of ancient Egyptian wisdom - lost, yet carried forward by three anonymous Initiates? The messinger of the gods? Come on, how hokey can you get? This can't be real...

I never liked reality. We have the technology, We can rebuild it. We can make it better, stronger, faster... I shall unravel the secrets of this work... and I shall become your god! Muah... ha... ha.... ha.... (cough, cough) Kidding. The text is far from perfect, uses a lot of unfortunate terminology; and is narrated along the lines of asinine desires illustrated by the previous sentence. But I'm thinking, some pictures, diagrams - perhaps an updating of the old magic number seven with the new magic number four - this thing just might be The Idiot's Guide to Enlightenment - and a hope for us all.

the world on you depends
life will never end

Now, If I only know what to do with this (insane, all-consuming, unexplainable) love I have for Gwyneth Paltrow; I might actually know something... and I am not vibrating in the opposite direction of Gwynnie...

fractals are great

but what they do illustrate is that

no matter how many times you cut up an apple
You wont find a tree.

Or in other words
The search is endless

To find the tree, (eden, God, the origin)
we have to stop.

We see this in science.... no matter how much we split sub atomic particles
more appear.....

a fractal of mine:

 

[imaginaryme]

Amplitude is the height of the crest while frequency is the distance between successive crests. When the source of energy is constant, the variables are dependent. When the source is The Doors, we crank that **** up!

Check it. Even the stars groove to The Doors this day. Not exactly. But everything (but Phil ) knows something of the Principle of Vibration...

 

[skydivephil]

The inside is like the outside because what is inside affects what is outside and is affected by the outside, all in a no time instantanious time zone. Frequencies connect everything and everything that we perseive with our five senses is a result of two fundamental principles. Everything in existance is made out of the relationship between vibrations and the matter. Vibration is a masculine creative force countered by matter which is a feminine creative force. This is Kymatica..

Didn't you suggest matter didn't exist in a previous post, so which is it?

 

[skydivephil]

fractals are great

but what they do illustrate is that

no matter how many times you cut up an apple
You wont find a tree.

Or in other words
The search is endless

To find the tree, (eden, God, the origin)
we have to stop.

We see this in science.... no matter how much we split sub atomic particles
more appear.....

a fractal of mine:

actually physicists don't probe the deep structure of matter by splitting atoms, they do it by bombarding particles and examining the debris . No one has found any internal structure quarks, they might in the future but its presumptuous to simply assume it.

 

[skydivephil]

when it comes to vibratiosn fo course there is a long history....

including chanting or uttering the correct name of God in Hebrew, which contains 232 letters??? (or is it 222??) of course finding the right combination would be a pain...perhaps this si why it has alluded jews...? or mayube not

Indeed all creation can be seen a s avibration.

The english industrial music pioneers throbbing gristle always carried a violin off stage.....just in case the vibration that created the universe was "hit"....

then of course there is the brown note...

and what lets you conclude there's a correct name of god?

 

[Mr Cheese]

and what lets you conclude there's a correct name of god?

the correct name of God is a sound...

so it is assumed


hence mention of vibration....

Judaism amongst others, has this thing about speech, vibration and the sound of the universe....

I feel like I'm in junior high

 

[Mr Cheese]

actually physicists don't probe the deep structure of matter by splitting atoms, they do it by bombarding particles and examining the debris . No one has found any internal structure quarks, they might in the future but its presumptuous to simply assume it.

The idea of a particle underwent serious rethinking in light of experiments which showed that light could behave like a stream of particles (called photons) as well as exhibit wave-like properties. These results necessitated the new concept of wave-particle duality to reflect that quantum-scale "particles" are understood to behave in a way resembling both particles and waves. Another new concept, the uncertainty principle, concluded that analyzing particles at these scales would require a statistical approach. In more recent times, wave-particle duality has been shown to apply not only to photons, but to increasingly massive particles.[3]
All of these factors ultimately combined to replace the notion of discrete "particles" with the concept of "wave-packets" of uncertain boundaries, whose properties are only known as probabilities, and whose interactions with other "particles" remain largely a mystery, even 80 years after the establishment of quantum mechanics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subatomic_particle

also: List of particles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[skydivephil]

the correct name of God is a sound...

so it is assumed


hence mention of vibration....

Judaism amongst others, has this thing about speech, vibration and the sound of the universe....

I feel like I'm in junior high

Assumed by who and how, I was raised jewish and i never heard of such a notion. even if its common so what, wheres the basis for the assumption? What do you mean sound of the universe? you cant hear any sound in space.

 

[skydivephil]

The idea of a particle underwent serious rethinking in light of experiments which showed that light could behave like a stream of particles (called photons) as well as exhibit wave-like properties. These results necessitated the new concept of wave-particle duality to reflect that quantum-scale "particles" are understood to behave in a way resembling both particles and waves. Another new concept, the uncertainty principle, concluded that analyzing particles at these scales would require a statistical approach. In more recent times, wave-particle duality has been shown to apply not only to photons, but to increasingly massive particles.[3]
All of these factors ultimately combined to replace the notion of discrete "particles" with the concept of "wave-packets" of uncertain boundaries, whose properties are only known as probabilities, and whose interactions with other "particles" remain largely a mystery, even 80 years after the establishment of quantum mechanics. Subatomic particle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

also: List of particles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You haven't answered my question, you assume an internal structure for quarks, wheres your evidence?
Btw the modern formulation of quantum mechanics is the standard model. here all forces are explained by force carrying particles. Whilst they can be described by Schrodingers wave equation they are still point like particles.The standard model is about 60 years more recent than the original formulation of quantum mechanics.
read here:
Standard Model - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As I said before the LHC works by smashing particles into each and examining their tracks, not by splitting atoms as you incorrectly claimed .

 

[ericoh2]

Here's a relevant article about Gurdjieff's teachings of vibrations and existences as they relate to different levels of being and the Law of Octaves. Zenzero you might already be familiar with this.

Ray of Creation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[skydivephil]

Here's a relevant article about Gurdjieff's teachings of vibrations and existences as they relate to different levels of being and the Law of Octaves. Zenzero you might already be familiar with this.

Ray of Creation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is an incredibly dumb system, why does the Eath's moon get its own Octave but Jupiter'r moons don't? Since the majority of the universe is dark matter where is its octave? Why have 8 layers at all? Why not 5 or 100? this is just meaningless gibberish. If you presented this at a physics conference you would simply be laughed at

 

[EtuMalku]

The occult principle of vibration originates in Egyptian Hermetic philosophy, and underpins most magical systems. The idea stems from the cosmological model whereby the manifest world was created by a divine utterance of sound; it is this sound that both brings forth and sustains creation. The Hermetic Gnostics viewed this vibratory motion as polar; the higher the vibration, the closer to the divine, and vice-versa. However, the world of man and the world of the divine were inextricably intertwined via these vibrations, so influencing the vibration of one influence the other. This is expressed in the Hermetic Axiom, "As above, so below," first expressed in the Emerald Tablet, which may date as early as the first millennium BCE.

Early Greek, Egyptian, and Gnostic magical practices were based on the notion that this creative principle could be tapped through the power of voice; an idea echoed in many other magical cultures, including Norse rune-singing; Hebrew Kabbalah is modeled on a similar principle.

OM
It has been called the Word in the Judeo-Christian Bible, Hindu Scriptures call it Naad and Shruti, Persian scriptures Sraosha, Kalma in Muslim scriptures, ‘the Sonorous Light' in Buddhism, Naam or Shabd by the Sikhs, in Patanjali Yoga Darshan, the God/dess Ishwara is a Being expressed by this original vibration (Pranav) and Madam Helen Blavatsky and the Theosophists call it ‘the Voice of Silence'. It is interesting to note the similarities between the above word ‘Pranav' in this case denoting the personification of the Primordial Vibration and the word ‘prana' which is the life force within us.

Though the most famous and enduring name we know it as is probably by OM.
From Blavatsky's article entitled ‘AUM' in the Theosophy literature ‘Path' [April 1886 issue p.6, Vol. I], the article mentions the first sound as Aum and describes it as a Divine Resonance, a power that manifests itself into being. This self manifesting power? can be traced back to Ancient Egypt (Kemet) as the Primeval God Amon creates Himself from the black waters of Nun.

A wonderful addition to this discussion can be found here, Hans Jenny's Cymatics demonstrates vibrations ability to create Order from Chaos.
Another interesting tidbit are the Sacred Solfeggios where the frequency 528Hz is known to repair damaged DNA and through Forced Resonance heal damaged Chakra.

EM

 

[EtuMalku]

This is an incredibly dumb system, why does the Eath's moon get its own Octave but Jupiter'r moons don't? Since the majority of the universe is dark matter where is its octave? Why have 8 layers at all? Why not 5 or 100? this is just meaningless gibberish. If you presented this at a physics conference you would simply be laughed at

Did I read right? You just called 'Gurdjieff' DUMB? :faint:

I would recommend reading musician, mathematics theorist Mitzi DeWhitt's wonderfully complex book 'Nearly All and Almost Everything' for a detailed analysis of Gurdjieff's Law of the Octave, Kaballah and Tree of Life as it pertains to sound, the Indian Shruti system.

 

[skydivephil]

Did I read right? You just called 'Gurdjieff' DUMB? :faint:

His system is dumb.

 

[skydivephil]

The occult principle of vibration originates in Egyptian Hermetic philosophy, and underpins most magical systems. The idea stems from the cosmological model whereby the manifest world was created by a divine utterance of sound; it is this sound that both brings forth and sustains creation. The Hermetic Gnostics viewed this vibratory motion as polar; the higher the vibration, the closer to the divine, and vice-versa. However, the world of man and the world of the divine were inextricably intertwined via these vibrations, so influencing the vibration of one influence the other. This is expressed in the Hermetic Axiom, "As above, so below," first expressed in the Emerald Tablet, which may date as early as the first millennium BCE.

Early Greek, Egyptian, and Gnostic magical practices were based on the notion that this creative principle could be tapped through the power of voice; an idea echoed in many other magical cultures, including Norse rune-singing; Hebrew Kabbalah is modeled on a similar principle.

OM
It has been called the Word in the Judeo-Christian Bible, Hindu Scriptures call it Naad and Shruti, Persian scriptures Sraosha, Kalma in Muslim scriptures, ‘the Sonorous Light' in Buddhism, Naam or Shabd by the Sikhs, in Patanjali Yoga Darshan, the God/dess Ishwara is a Being expressed by this original vibration (Pranav) and Madam Helen Blavatsky and the Theosophists call it ‘the Voice of Silence'. It is interesting to note the similarities between the above word ‘Pranav' in this case denoting the personification of the Primordial Vibration and the word ‘prana' which is the life force within us.

Though the most famous and enduring name we know it as is probably by OM.
From Blavatsky's article entitled ‘AUM' in the Theosophy literature ‘Path' [April 1886 issue p.6, Vol. I], the article mentions the first sound as Aum and describes it as a Divine Resonance, a power that manifests itself into being. This self manifesting power? can be traced back to Ancient Egypt (Kemet) as the Primeval God Amon creates Himself from the black waters of Nun.

A wonderful addition to this discussion can be found here, Hans Jenny's Cymatics demonstrates vibrations ability to create Order from Chaos.
Another interesting tidbit are the Sacred Solfeggios where the frequency 528Hz is known to repair damaged DNA and through Forced Resonance heal damaged Chakra.

EM

Yet more nonsense. How can the world have been created through sound, sounds needs a medium to travel through. Think it through. The idea that particular frequency can heal DNA is ludicrous, where is the eivdence? let me guess you haven't got any.

 

[skydivephil]

Did I read right? You just called 'Gurdjieff' DUMB? :faint:

In fact lets go one higher, dumb is being too kind. I should have used the criticism: Not even Wrong, which seems to apply to many of the gibberish posts in this thread:
Not even wrong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[EtuMalku]

Yet more nonsense. How can the world have been created through sound, sounds needs a medium to travel through. Think it through. The idea that particular frequency can heal DNA is ludicrous, where is the eivdence? let me guess you haven't got any.

Not sound, through vibration . . . pay attention.

Table 1: The Nine Secret Solfeggio Frequencies.

1. 174 Hz = 174 = Ã

2. 285 Hz = 285 = œ

3. 396 Hz Ut = 396 = æ

4. 417 Hz Re = 417 = Ã → (415 Hz to 417 Hz is a key energy balancing frequency range)

5. 528 Hz Mi = 528 = œ → (528 Hz is known as the ‘Miracle’ Frequency)

6. 639 Hz Fa = 639 = æ

7. 741 Hz So = 741 = Ã

8. 852 Hz La = 852 = œ

9. 963 Hz Ti = 963 = æ

Dr. Puleo is a naturopathic doctor currently living in northern Idaho. Beginning in 1974, Dr. Puleo has been unraveling certain vibrational frequencies. Through the Pythagorean method of numeral reduction he discovered the six sound frequencies referred to as the Sacred Solfeggios. It was discovered that the frequency of 528hz is used in the restoration of DNA. It has a powerful effect upon the water molecules that support the DNA helix (according to Dr. Lee Lorenzen, Ph.D.).

 

[EtuMalku]

For an incredible in depth look into the science behind these frequencies I would point you here. A brilliant mathematician MythMath has explored the Solfeggios as well as other frequency based theories.

 

[YmirGF]

I find it very difficult to embrace the intellectual flatulence outlined in this thread. Oh well, back to my varnishing, I guess. :drool:

Tell you what, I'll play "Good Vibrations" while I apply the next layer...