esmith
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I'm sure they wouldn't mind, I don't.
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The Problem Of Bad Facts About Guns
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I have had firearms since I was seven growing up on the farm and own a 9 mm Sig now. NO, AR-15 and similar weapons are not useful in hunting over more conventional hunting rifles. Conventional hunting rifles are more accurate. This is officially a lame excuse for owning military weapons.
I never said the 2nd Amendment was about hunting.
What is the purpose of millions (actually tens of millions) of military firearms in civilian hands many illegally fully automatic?
At present the military rifles in civilian hands are creating and threatening to create mayhem. The goals of radical right and other radical groups hoarding military firearms is to oppose the government when they feel their ideals are being threatened and they believe they are being threatened. Actually the National Guard takes up the role of appropriate local defense against mayhem and other problems.
I did not!
You have not demonstrated my facts are bad. All you did specifically was clarify the details of the 1994 ban, which I acknowledged could not be effective, because of many facts. I did not give specifics why the 1994 was ineffective except to say that many were already in civilian hands and being freely bought and sold.privately.
You have not been specific as to what facts I presented are bad.
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Your grammar woes make your intent unclear.
But AR15s, M1As, & variants are accurate enuf.
And can be very accurate. My old M1A Supermatch
was better than most good bolt guns for hunting
(sSub 1 MOA easily).
Then why bring it up?
In the wrong civilian hands.
Is that the problem under discussion?
I've not seen them stage a revolution.
And even we non-right-wingers want
gun rights.
Like they did at Kent State, eh.
(I couldn't resist that'n.)
You don't understand what the 1994 ban
was about, & what its effects were.
I believe my post was corrected and clarified.
Actually no at long distances. I have experience with both at firing ranges. Nonetheless hunting firearms of many types are specifically designed for different hunting purposes. The military rifles are specifically designed for maiming and killing humans at closer range.
I disagree. based on my experience in the firing range at long distances.
. . . because many owners of military rifles claim they are for hunting. Also, yes hunting is a legitimate public use of firearms of many types.
Subjective judgement call and not relevant. The determination of what is the 'wrong' people is not relevant to the discussion.
YES! It is an important issue of the justification of many stockpiling hundreds or more military rifles,
Why would anyone stockpile hundreds if not thousands of military style rifles?
They have threatened to, and a member of congress openly supported this purpose. I will cite sources in the future.
Need to resist old moldy news. As time passes the weapon of chose remains more contemporary military firearms.
Other than your clarification nothing changes from my conclusions that the ban was ineffective for various reasons.
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I believe military rifles (semi-automatic easily converted to fully automatic) are widely available.
Did not answer:What is the purpose of millions (actually tens of millions) of military firearms in civilian hands many illegally fully automatic?
Is the question's premise true?
The premise is true based on the sales of military style firearms to civilians in recent years. These figures are a bit old 2017.
Sorry for the bit of exaggeration, but nonetheless USA has the highest gun ownership in the civilian population in the world. More to follow. . .
Gun Ownership by Country 2022.
With 120.5 civilian-owned firearms per 100 people, the United States has the highest rate of civilian gun ownership in the world—nearly double that of the second-place country, in fact. Civilians owned an estimated 393,347,000 total firearms in the United States in 2017 (measured against a 2017 population of 326,474,000). While many U.S. residents own no guns at all, many others own multiple guns—the end result of which is that the U.S. is home to more guns than people. An ABC News article about the survey pointed out that the U.S. has "less than 5% of the world's population, but 40% of the world's civilian-owned guns." Given the ongoing frequency of gun violence in the United States, particularly gun-enabled suicides and mass shootings in schools, places of worship, and businesses, many people believe that gun laws should be revised and tightened. However, gun control is a highly politicized issue in the U.S., which makes nationwide reforms difficult to pass.
With 120.5 civilian-owned firearms per 100 people, the United States has the highest rate of civilian gun ownership in the world—nearly double that of the second-place country, in fact. Civilians owned an estimated 393,347,000 total firearms in the United States in 2017 (measured against a 2017 population of 326,474,000). While many U.S. residents own no guns at all, many others own multiple guns—the end result of which is that the U.S. is home to more guns than people. An ABC News article about the survey pointed out that the U.S. has "less than 5% of the world's population, but 40% of the world's civilian-owned guns." Given the ongoing frequency of gun violence in the United States, particularly gun-enabled suicides and mass shootings in schools, places of worship, and businesses, many people believe that gun laws should be revised and tightened. However, gun control is a highly politicized issue in the U.S., which makes nationwide reforms difficult to pass.
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This doesn't address your claim that many
are illegally converted to fully automatic.
The military firearms exist and easily converted. Actually better statistics put the number of rifles in the millions manufactured in recent years.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/report/2021-firearms-commerce-report/download
Both the ease of conversion to fully automatic is easy, and the number of fully automatic firearms is increasing.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...e57914-0020-11ec-ba7e-2cf966e88e93_story.html
. . . addressed and will provide more references. You have failed to address the huge amount of military firearms in the hands of civilians in numbers of at least 129 firearms for every 100 people in the USA in 2017. Most people in the USA do not own any firearms.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
What is a semi-auto weapon? I.e. what classes do it includes and where do you do the cut off?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, you can establish correlation between types of crimes and/or mental disorders and then enforce it.
esmith
Veteran Member
Please explain your idea that military firearms exist in the civilian world other than pistols, revolvers, and shotguns?
I found no info about semi to auto conversions in
the first link. (But it was a difficult read, much of
it being sideways.)
The 2nd addressed the issue, but only in DC.
It's not clear how many illegal conversions there
are nationwide.
What's to address? There's no controversy in the obvious.
Everyone knows there are many military-look-alike & military
(relic) rifles in Ameristan. That's not in dispute by anyone.
Duh.
If you've been paying attention, I've been proposing several
regulatory measures to deal with them & other kinds of guns.
You've not commented on them to either agree or disagree.