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The problem with Democrats and the liberal left is they are too emotional.

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
The article says: In line with previous scientific knowledge on the relative rigidity of rightist ideological beliefs

I think that's accurate. The right is rigid while the left is more flexible according to that study.

This is true, but you are not looking at this the right way. Say you were a development engineer, who has tried all types of experiments to solve your problem, and have found the best alternative. Being rigid at this point is a virtue, since this alternative has been proven to be the best. It is not arbitrary but the result of experiments and observations.

On the other hand, say you were a development engineer who is just starting a ew project, which is to reinvent the wheel. You have an open mind and are willing to try, but this open mindedness does not mean you have reinvented the better wheel, yet. You are at the beginning of the project, before the best of the best has been discovered. You are full of hope.

Conservative is about using the test proven methods, that have stood the test of time. Religions have been around for thousands of years. Progressive is about new R&D, which is designed to change the state of the art. The first is more of a sure or confirmed thing, while the second has possibilities, but is not yet at the stage of a done deals with centuries to even decades of hard data.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
You can't run a country and dictate policy on the basis of people's emotions and by leaders who are emotional themselves.

The reason why I'm not for the left in spite of a number of good ideas they may have is because the Democrats attract people that are not typically rational or well-thought-out people.

A good number of the leftist are emotionally unstable and unable or unwilling to think things through properly. All it takes is how they're acting now from investigations to the sour grapes after getting defeated in elections.

The hard science is going to be difficult to take in by those far too emotional to handle the truth concerning people on the left aisle of politics but it's been proven by hard science at the left is more emotional than the right.

Liberals are more emotion-driven than conservatives

Republicans have those issues too of course, but Republicans cannot be compared to the Democrats in this regard just by observing on how people are acting and implementing policies and directives.


This OP seems very much like an emotional appeal
 

Shad

Veteran Member
You can't run a country and dictate policy on the basis of people's emotions and by leaders who are emotional themselves.

The reason why I'm not for the left in spite of a number of good ideas they may have is because the Democrats attract people that are not typically rational or well-thought-out people.

A good number of the leftist are emotionally unstable and unable or unwilling to think things through properly. All it takes is how they're acting now from investigations to the sour grapes after getting defeated in elections.

The hard science is going to be difficult to take in by those far too emotional to handle the truth concerning people on the left aisle of politics but it's been proven by hard science at the left is more emotional than the right.

Liberals are more emotion-driven than conservatives

Republicans have those issues too of course, but Republicans cannot be compared to the Democrats in this regard just by observing on how people are acting and implementing policies and directives.

It goes both ways just for different targets and different reasons. I think the study was far to limited with topics that are volatile. Also the subjects seemed to be Israeli so there are a lot of emotions over the subject someone in the Europe or the US will never have. I for one never lost a family member due to the IDF, terrorists or one of the many wars Israel has been involved in.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
In response to the topic that Progressives are too emotional, there is a scientific basis for this. There are pitfalls for an overly emotional orientation.

When the brain writes to memory, aspects of the limbic system, which control emotions, adds an emotional tag to the sensory input data, as the brain writes to the cerebral matter. Our memory has both sensory based content and emotional tags.

This schema is useful and was designed for the animal, since if they are in the same situation and their memory is triggered, they will react to the feeling, without having to think. If an unusual food object they encounter, triggers a previous memory feeling of "tastes good", they will act on this feeling, and eat without having to reinvent the wheel.

This binary nature of memory, in conjunction with willower and choice, allows humans to approach our memory from either the emotional tag side or the sensory content side, and trigger the memory. For example, I can think about my favorite food and this will make me hungry. This food memory had an attached feeling connected to hunger. I trigged the memory feeling by its sensory content.

Or I can become hungry at noon time. The feeling of hunger will then induces images of food in my head, from which I chose my lunch. Feelings can induce sensory content. Although both methods of inducing memory are possible, each impacts the memory in different ways.

There are far more possibilities in terms of sensory content. Sensory based memory pictures are as diversified as realty. No two snow flakes are exactly the same in terms of sensory detail. The emotions, on the other hand, are much more limited. There is a smaller number of feelings that are used to tag everything. The result is the brain recycles feelings, and attaches the same feeling, to a large variety of similar sensory content. This is connected to the spatial aspects of the brain.

The same feeling; tasty food attached to memory, can occur in every restaurant we visit, even if sensory content; entree and spices, are all over the board. But each food is very specific in terms of contents and chef; one of kind, but all can create the same nice tasting feeling.

If one is too emotional and routinely triggers the emotional side of memory, one uses a limited number feelings to draw conclusions, about an endless diversity of sensory content. Racism works from the emotional side. Another good example is Trump is hated in every way by the left. They can see no good. Or all memories connected to Trump, use the same feeling tag, even though this is not rational. Why would one hate a loving relationship between father and daughter simply because he is Trump? This is not rational due to the lumping affect.

If one approached this same situation from the sensory content side, then each of thousands of unique items and situations, could have it own feeling tag based on similar or parallel memories. Many may add to hate, but many will add to like. But if you go only by feeling, first, you will use a block method to define reality without any rational nuance based on life experience.

The feeling approach to memory also makes one more vulnerable to propaganda and programming. All that needs to happen is the leadership needs to induce a feeling; hate, and get that feeling to persist and even resonate; brain goes into a specific chemical output loop. While this chemical loop is playing; hate, you add new sensory content; propaganda, hoping the memory tagging process, is tricked, due to the brain being pre-saturated with neurotransmitters connected to hate.

Dogs use emotions more than sensory content. Their instincts are adaptive to classes of behavior connected to the emotional tags. They are always happy to see when you walk through the door, even if you left on a bad note. Your entry image trigger happy feelings. Dog training uses the same methods you can use on emotional thinkers. The dog whistle, called PC, turns passive dogs into attack dogs, due to conditioned emotional triggers of hate added during hate chemical brain saturation. I trained my dog to be calm. He starts with a calm brain chemical environment I then add sensory content; life situations

If you use the sensory content approach toward triggering memory, propaganda and programing is much slower, since each item is treated separately in terms of pre-existing feeling tags. The leadership will need to provide proof or somehow change the feeling for each thing. This makes it harder to saturate the brain with one set of neurotransmitters; one feeling tone, since each memory of a grouping, may have a different feeling, and this will disrupt a uniform chemical background for block memory writing.

If you recall, Trump was initially portrayed as similar to Hitler with Nukes, to induce fear and hate; a negative background chemical environment in the leftist brain. This is done without proof, since they are dealing with emotional first people, where proof is in the feeling tag, not the content. The Hitler angle is not as common now, because the programing has advanced due to a continuous self induced neurochemical environment trigged by dog whistles that trigger the hate feeling. This has had an impact on the snow flakes since this brain chemical environment, is not healthy in the ling term, since fight and flight uses too much energy and is not designed as a long term output. This can mess-up the brain; battle fatigue.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Setting aside the flawed, overgeneralized statements about various political parties...

Can someone please explain to me what's wrong with being emotional? I'm having a hard time understanding what's wrong with being... you know... human?
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
Setting aside the flawed, overgeneralized statements about various political parties...

Can someone please explain to me what's wrong with being emotional? I'm having a hard time understanding what's wrong with being... you know... human?
Statistically more likely swayed by emotional priming=emotional=too emotional=not rational=obviously worse. Bad logic 101. Likely the result of being too emotional about this subject.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Setting aside the flawed, overgeneralized statements about various political parties...

Can someone please explain to me what's wrong with being emotional? I'm having a hard time understanding what's wrong with being... you know... human?
Considering how emotional Trump and the trumpettes get over every percieved little slight, you'd think they'd have abandoned the "lol poor snowflakes" rhetoric, but as I am constantly reminded, irony is dead and self awareness is coughing up blood.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Statistically more likely swayed by emotional priming=emotional=too emotional=not rational=obviously worse. Bad logic 101. Likely the result of being too emotional about this subject.

What's wrong with being swayed by emotions? What's wrong with not being rational all the time? Why assume that rational = right and emotional = wrong? Why do some people do that? I do not understand it.
That sounds pretty irrational to me.

I think people need to start becoming more comfortable with emotion instead of running away from it and demonizing it all the time. No political action happens without passion.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
What's wrong with being swayed by emotions? What's wrong with not being rational all the time? Why assume that rational = right and emotional = wrong? Why do some people do that? I do not understand it. That sounds pretty irrational to me.

I think people need to start becoming more comfortable with emotion instead of running away from it and demonizing it all the time. No political action happens without passion.
I don't think they are necessarily assuming emotional means wrong.

I think they are assuming that the left is too emotional. Although they haven't noticed that the study doesn't support such a claim.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What's wrong with being swayed by emotions? What's wrong with not being rational all the time? Why assume that rational = right and emotional = wrong? Why do some people do that? I do not understand it. That sounds pretty irrational to me.

I think people need to start becoming more comfortable with emotion instead of running away from it and demonizing it all the time. No political action happens without passion.
Well it goes without saying that emotions do cloud people's judgment and actions.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
You can't run a country and dictate policy on the basis of people's emotions and by leaders who are emotional themselves.

The reason why I'm not for the left in spite of a number of good ideas they may have is because the Democrats attract people that are not typically rational or well-thought-out people.

A good number of the leftist are emotionally unstable and unable or unwilling to think things through properly. All it takes is how they're acting now from investigations to the sour grapes after getting defeated in elections.

The hard science is going to be difficult to take in by those far too emotional to handle the truth concerning people on the left aisle of politics but it's been proven by hard science at the left is more emotional than the right.

Liberals are more emotion-driven than conservatives

Republicans have those issues too of course, but Republicans cannot be compared to the Democrats in this regard just by observing on how people are acting and implementing policies and directives.

Are you kidding? The MAGA crowd are some of the most hypocritical, over-the-top, knee-jerk people that I've ever witnessed. A large percentage of them embrace bigotry and scientific illiteracy due to their religion, which is clearly irrational and emotion/ego driven. Level-headed people don't wallow in willful ignorance, intellectual dishonesty, and self-deceit.
What you say is true of some people (such as SJWs), but let's not call the kettle black and pretend that they represent the whole or that the right doesn't have its equivalent.
Also, let's not confuse having compassion and a sense of humanity as being "too emotional". I don't think sociopathy should be regarded as an ideal.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Considering how emotional Trump and the trumpettes get over every percieved little slight, you'd think they'd have abandoned the "lol poor snowflakes" rhetoric, but as I am constantly reminded, irony is dead and self awareness is coughing up blood.

Right. All one has to is read Trump's "tweets" to see an example of someone who's irrational, over-emotional, thin-skinned, and devoid of self-awareness.
Oh, another prime example; all the tears and butthurt over the kneeling during the anthem thing. They're also quite emotional over confederate monuments. The list goes on.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Are you kidding? The MAGA crowd are some of the most hypocritical, over-the-top, knee-jerk people that I've ever witnessed. A large percentage of them embrace bigotry and scientific illiteracy due to their religion, which is clearly irrational and emotion/ego driven. Level-headed people don't wallow in willful ignorance, intellectual dishonesty, and self-deceit.
What you say is true of some people (such as SJWs), but let's not call the kettle black and pretend that they represent the whole or that the right doesn't have its equivalent.
Also, let's not confuse having compassion and a sense of humanity as being "too emotional". I don't think sociopathy should be regarded as an ideal.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/calling-truce-political-wars/

Well if it makes you feel better, hard science does show conservatives are well more organized and able to assess threats better than liberals yet are considered more anxious than liberals.

Golly, I wonder why? ;O}
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
This is true, but you are not looking at this the right way. Say you were a development engineer, who has tried all types of experiments to solve your problem, and have found the best alternative. Being rigid at this point is a virtue, since this alternative has been proven to be the best. It is not arbitrary but the result of experiments and observations.

On the other hand, say you were a development engineer who is just starting a ew project, which is to reinvent the wheel. You have an open mind and are willing to try, but this open mindedness does not mean you have reinvented the better wheel, yet. You are at the beginning of the project, before the best of the best has been discovered. You are full of hope.

Conservative is about using the test proven methods, that have stood the test of time. Religions have been around for thousands of years. Progressive is about new R&D, which is designed to change the state of the art. The first is more of a sure or confirmed thing, while the second has possibilities, but is not yet at the stage of a done deals with centuries to even decades of hard data.
That distinction between conservative and progressive was true in the past. But now we have a radical right bent on tearing down social structures and institutions and the left trying to preserve them.

To the larger question, too much flexibility turns someone into a wet noodle. Too little and people become brittle and break.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I get so upset with people being all emotional about other people being emotional. I never no whether to laugh for joy or cry for their pain. It's just so ....!!!
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Well, Democrats have often been referred to as "bleeding heart" liberals because they care about people. I don't think this should be viewed as a bad thing, although I sometimes doubt their sincerity.
Left wing policies are what is "bleeding heart." Their policies inherently address the bigger picture of humanity at large, where right wing policies address the family and community.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Is this post which articulates something that the science does not support meant to be ironic?

Also worth noting that politically left people are statistically more swayed by emotional appeals says nothing about the current "leaders" of either political ideology. It seems to me that your irrationality here comes from a place of emotion.
I'll just point to Trump's campaign and ask where did emotional appeals not play a factor?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Well, Democrats have often been referred to as "bleeding heart" liberals because they care about people. I don't think this should be viewed as a bad thing, although I sometimes doubt their sincerity.
At least with such concerns they have a basis in the fact we are social animals. We prosper more as a group, and the more people who prosper the more we all prosper. This stands in stark contrast to the Conservative approach, which labels taxation as theft, glorifies unrealistic individualism, and promotes hard work as a key to success even though those who work the hardest are often furthest from being the wealthiest.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
You can't run a country and dictate policy on the basis of people's emotions and by leaders who are emotional themselves.

The reason why I'm not for the left in spite of a number of good ideas they may have is because the Democrats attract people that are not typically rational or well-thought-out people.

A good number of the leftist are emotionally unstable and unable or unwilling to think things through properly. All it takes is how they're acting now from investigations to the sour grapes after getting defeated in elections.

The hard science is going to be difficult to take in by those far too emotional to handle the truth concerning people on the left aisle of politics but it's been proven by hard science at the left is more emotional than the right.

Liberals are more emotion-driven than conservatives

Republicans have those issues too of course, but Republicans cannot be compared to the Democrats in this regard just by observing on how people are acting and implementing policies and directives.

I guess I'd be left by US standards.
So thanks...this might be the first time ever I've been called 'too emotional'.

Can't wait to get home and tell my wife she's been wrong all these years.
 
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