The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW

[Porque77]

Jesus(pbuh) was a god-fearing man who followed all the laws that were written in the Torah he even condemned people who did not follow the law.

Jesus did not fulfill the laws of the Old Testament who commanded harm and kill people for various reasons. As an example, you can see the teaching of the Gospel about the woman "surprised in adultery":

"And the scribes and the Pharisees bring a woman taken in adultery; and having set her in the midst, they say unto him, Teacher, this woman hath been taken in adultery, in the very act. Now in the law Moses commanded us to stone such: what then sayest thou of her? And this they said, trying him, that they might have whereof to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground.

But when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground. And they, when they heard it, went out one by one, beginning from the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the midst. And Jesus lifted up himself, and said unto her, Woman, where are they? did no man condemn thee? And she said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said, Neither do I condemn thee: go thy way; from henceforth sin no more. Again therefore Jesus spake unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life". (Juan 8: 3-12)

ABOUT THE SHABBAT'S LAW OF THE OLD TESTAMENT

Says the Old Testament:

"And while the children of Israel in the wilderness , they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation, and put him in prison, because was not declared what should be done to him. and the Lord said to Moses: man dies, all the congregation shall stone him outside the camp. congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him, and died, as the LORD commanded Moses" (Numbers 15: 32-36)

That's not what Jesus commanded us:

"At that time Jesus went through the grain fields on the Sabbath, and His disciples were hungry and began to pluck heads of grain and eat. Seeing the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do on the day rest. But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did when he and those with him were hungry, how he entered the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful to eat neither he nor those who were with him, but only for the priests ? or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? for I say that one greater than the temple is here. and if you had known what this means, I desire mercy and not sacrifice, not have condemned the innocent, for the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath. " (Matthew 12: 1-8)

"Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.
10 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.
11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.........

16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. " (John 5: 8-18)

 

[Shermana]

So when the female disciples obeyed Sabbath at the end of Luke after Jesus died, they apparently never got this memo the entire time.

And let me introduce you to the Pericope Adulterae, which I pointed out in a previous response to you, John 8:1-11 is an interpolated passage that was edited in later. Does not appear in the early manuscripts. I know you probably don't care for historicity and scholarship, but you may want to at least learn the basic facts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_woman_taken_in_adultery

 

[F0uad]

There is literally no way you could possibly know that.

Know what? According to non-Christian sources he was a teacher of the law even secular Historians agree on this. Hes work being lost/forgotten/altered is already proved.

My point was that the same sources he is using says the opposite.

 

[Shermana]

What do you mean? You have not read the Gospel. The whole Gospel clearly prohibits harm to people.

The Gospel teaches that Old Testament law commanded to hurt and kill people for many reasons, and Jesus Christ, with his teachings, abolished those laws of the Old Testament, as we see in Matthew 5:38-44, John 8:3 -11 and elsewhere in the Gospel.



The scripture says that Jesus made ​​a whip and drove the merchants from the temple, but not says Jesus gave them lashes.

No, YOU have not read the Gospel, and the few parts you have read, you don't understand.

Jesus was teaching errors of understanding of the Torah. He was explaining that Eye for an Eye was misunderstood. He was saying not to return petty slaps. He didn't however mention ANYTHING about not applying physical punishment for infractions of the Law. You're reading into it something that it simply does not say.

Do you think Jesus said to not protect your family if you're being assaulted?

If you don't remember, he kinda drove the money changers out of the Temple with a whip.

 

[F0uad]

Why did you dismiss the verses i quoted? It seems to me that you are contradicting the own book your using by not addressing the problems i raised. Furthermore i do belief Jesus(pbuh) gave certain new ways (softer ways) since they lived in a different time and the Pharisees became hard, this is mentioned in Islamic lecturer however the problem is with you and not me.

Jesus did not fulfill the laws of the Old Testament who commanded harm and kill people for various reasons.

Any reference? Forgot my verses? Laws are not about killing but justice.

As an example, you can see the teaching of the Gospel about the woman "surprised in adultery":

"And the scribes and the Pharisees bring a woman taken in adultery; and having set her in the midst, they say unto him, Teacher, this woman hath been taken in adultery, in the very act. Now in the law Moses commanded us to stone such: what then sayest thou of her? And this they said, trying him, that they might have whereof to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground.

But when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground. And they, when they heard it, went out one by one, beginning from the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the midst. And Jesus lifted up himself, and said unto her, Woman, where are they? did no man condemn thee? And she said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said, Neither do I condemn thee go thy way; from henceforth sin no more. Again therefore Jesus spake unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life".

Innocent see highlighted area.

"Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.
10 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.
11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.........

16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. "(John 5: 8-18)

Jesus(pbuh) did follow the Sabbath according to many references, it was the Pharisees who were wrong. The scribes among the Pharisees created and transmitted the Pharisaic rabbinical traditions. The body of traditional law that they formulated, called the Halakah (preserved in the Mishnah), is extra-biblical. Although authoritative for Jews who follow Pharisaic tradition, much of the Halakah is not directly supported by Scripture, but is intended as a "hedge" about the law, to prevent any possibility of its being broken.

Ironically, in an attempt to ensure their law-keeping by putting a "hedge" about the law, the Pharisees were breaking the law, for God had said: "You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take anything from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you" (Deuteronomy 4:2; also 12:32). By adding the weight of their tradition to the law of God, they bound "heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders" (Matthew 23:4).



Advice: stop using James king its outdated.

 

[F0uad]

No, YOU have not read the Gospel, and the few parts you have read, you don't understand.

Jesus was teaching errors of understanding of the Torah. He was explaining that Eye for an Eye was misunderstood. He was saying not to return petty slaps. He didn't however mention ANYTHING about not applying physical punishment for infractions of the Law. You're reading into it something that it simply does not say.

Do you think Jesus said to not protect your family if you're being assaulted?

If you don't remember, he kinda drove the money changers out of the Temple with a whip.

Do you know why he dismissed Matthew 5:18-19?

 

[metis]

Know what? According to non-Christian sources he was a teacher of the law even secular Historians agree on this.

Which historians supposedly say as such? Certainly it should come as no surprise that he appears to have commented on things that related to the Law, but teachers of the Law back then cited which teachers prior to them they were building on, and I see no evidence of Jesus doing that.

Hes work being lost/forgotten/altered is already proved.

Where? by whom?

My point was that the same sources he is using says the opposite.

Again, this is logically impossible to know since we do not have any original manuscripts.

 

[Shermana]

Do you know why he dismissed Matthew 5:18-19?

Probably because it doesn't fit with his agenda.

 

[F0uad]

Which historians supposedly say as such? Certainly it should come as no surprise that he appears to have commented on things that related to the Law, but teachers of the Law back then cited which teachers prior to them they were building on, and I see no evidence of Jesus doing that.

Well according to the sources we have, he always reefers to the Law "Torah" he teaches his students according to the sources we have the law and he attacks the Pharisees for not following the law correctly.

God was hes teacher (again according to the sources we have)

Where? by whom?

E.P. Sanders, Craig A. Evans and the list continues, even Christians historians agree on the notion that its impossible to have the original as you do.

Again, this is logically impossible to know since we do not have any original manuscripts.

Are you even reading what i am saying or not? I said the same "source" he is using says the opposite what has nothing to do being the original or not.

 

[CMike]

Jesus did not fulfill the laws of the Old Testament who commanded harm and kill people for various reasons. As an example, you can see the teaching of the Gospel about the woman "surprised in adultery":

"And the scribes and the Pharisees bring a woman taken in adultery; and having set her in the midst, they say unto him, Teacher, this woman hath been taken in adultery, in the very act. Now in the law Moses commanded us to stone such: what then sayest thou of her? And this they said, trying him, that they might have whereof to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground.

But when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground. And they, when they heard it, went out one by one, beginning from the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the midst. And Jesus lifted up himself, and said unto her, Woman, where are they? did no man condemn thee? And she said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said, Neither do I condemn thee: go thy way; from henceforth sin no more. Again therefore Jesus spake unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life". (Juan 8: 3-12)

ABOUT THE SHABBAT'S LAW OF THE OLD TESTAMENT

Says the Old Testament:

"And while the children of Israel in the wilderness , they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation, and put him in prison, because was not declared what should be done to him. and the Lord said to Moses: man dies, all the congregation shall stone him outside the camp. congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him, and died, as the LORD commanded Moses" (Numbers 15: 32-36)

That's not what Jesus commanded us:

"At that time Jesus went through the grain fields on the Sabbath, and His disciples were hungry and began to pluck heads of grain and eat. Seeing the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do on the day rest. But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did when he and those with him were hungry, how he entered the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful to eat neither he nor those who were with him, but only for the priests ? or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? for I say that one greater than the temple is here. and if you had known what this means, I desire mercy and not sacrifice, not have condemned the innocent, for the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath. " (Matthew 12: 1-8)

"Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.
10 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.
11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.........

16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. " (John 5: 8-18)

Of course that is rediculous.

Based on judaism/Torah you can break almost any law to save a life including the sabbath.

If someone can wait then they should wait until after the sabbath.

However, to save a life you can violate the sabbath.

Also jews don't just kill. There is a court and the criteria is to high to implement the death penalty it make it virtually impossible to do.

Besides, since the jews didn't have a government there was no functioning jewish court anyway.

 

[CMike]

Why did you dismiss the verses i quoted? It seems to me that you are contradicting the own book your using by not addressing the problems i raised. Furthermore i do belief Jesus(pbuh) gave certain new ways (softer ways) since they lived in a different time and the Pharisees became hard, this is mentioned in Islamic lecturer however the problem is with you and not me.


Any reference? Forgot my verses? Laws are not about killing but justice.


Innocent see highlighted area.


Jesus(pbuh) did follow the Sabbath according to many references, it was the Pharisees who were wrong. The scribes among the Pharisees created and transmitted the Pharisaic rabbinical traditions. The body of traditional law that they formulated, called the Halakah (preserved in the Mishnah), is extra-biblical. Although authoritative for Jews who follow Pharisaic tradition, much of the Halakah is not directly supported by Scripture, but is intended as a "hedge" about the law, to prevent any possibility of its being broken.

Ironically, in an attempt to ensure their law-keeping by putting a "hedge" about the law, the Pharisees were breaking the law, for God had said: "You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take anything from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you" (Deuteronomy 4:2; also 12:32). By adding the weight of their tradition to the law of God, they bound "heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders" (Matthew 23:4).



Advice: stop using James king its outdated.

Sigh...

Incredible but not surprising how some people think they know jewish law better than the jews and never get it right.

Advice: Get it right

 

[Porque77]

So when the female disciples obeyed Sabbath at the end of Luke after Jesus died, they apparently never got this memo the entire time.

And let me introduce you to the Pericope Adulterae, which I pointed out in a previous response to you, John 8:1-11 is an interpolated passage that was edited in later. Does not appear in the early manuscripts. I know you probably don't care for historicity and scholarship, but you may want to at least learn the basic facts.

The scriptures are in the world since the first century, and are known by all nations. The four forms of the Gospel, interact and teach the same: Jesus Christ commanded to forgive and have mercy with all. That was the belief of all Christians of the first centuries. But, what happened since the last century?

In the last century have had many different doctrines and many men who fight against the teachings of the Gospel. And all this because they do not like the teachings of the Gospel.

Each one defends what interests of the Gospel, and what not interests, he says is false. But there is no proof of what he says. Only write what seems to them.

However, if you believe that adulterers should be stoned, Jesus does not agree with you, for the Gospel says:

"Then Peter came and said: Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Till seven? Jesus said: I tell you, not seven times, but seventy times seven." (Matthew 18:21-22)

"If you had known what this means, I want mercy and not sacrifice, you wouldn’t have condemned the innocent" (Matthew 12:7)

 

[Riverwolf]

The scriptures are in the world since the first century, and are known by all nations. The four forms of the Gospel, interact and teach the same: Jesus Christ commanded to forgive and have mercy with all. That was the belief of all Christians of the first centuries. But, what happened since the last century?

In the last century have had many different doctrines and many men who fight against the teachings of the Gospel. And all this because they do not like the teachings of the Gospel.

Each one defends what interests of the Gospel, and what not interests, he says is false. But there is no proof of what he says. Only write what seems to them.

However, if you believe that adulterers should be stoned, Jesus does not agree with you, for the Gospel says:

"Then Peter came and said: Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Till seven? Jesus said: I tell you, not seven times, but seventy times seven." (Matthew 18:21-22)

"If you had known what this means, I want mercy and not sacrifice, you wouldn’t have condemned the innocent" (Matthew 12:7)

Pretend the Gospel doesn't exist, and try to convince Jews that they're getting their own, meticulously maintained traditions wrong without a single reference to any text in the New Testament.

 

[Porque77]

Pretend the Gospel doesn't exist, and try to convince Jews that they're getting their own, meticulously maintained traditions wrong without a single reference to any text in the New Testament.

Then, switch off the light and lets go.

If there is no a Gospel, then, what do we argue about? ...

Anyway, I will say that many Old Testament laws were not true Law of God because God's law was changed by the scribes. And this testimony is found in the prophets, whom say so:

"... My people know not the judgment of Yahweh. How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Certainly has changed into a lie the lying pen of the scribes" (Jeremiah 8: 7-9).

"Woe to those who give wicked laws and scribes who write tyrannical prescriptions to set aside the poor and violate the rights of the underdog of my people, to rob widows and orphans" (Isaiah 10.1 -2)

"And the land is defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the laws, changed the commandments, broken the everlasting covenant" (Isaiah 24: 5-6).

"He says, therefore, the Lord: Because this people draw near me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me, and their fear of me is a commandment of men which have been taught" (Isaiah 29.13).

And Jesus Christ, remembering the words of the prophet Isaiah, also told the scribes and Pharisees who were teaching the commandments of men:

"Hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
This people honors me with their lips;
But their heart is far from me.
But in vain they do worship me,
Teaching for doctrines commandments of men" (Matthew 15.7-9

This is what happened, what the prophets tell us: The God's law was changed by the scribes. For this reason, the Old Testament's law is different to the commandments of Jesus Christ.

 

[Riverwolf]

Then, switch off the light and lets go.

If there is no a Gospel, then, what do we argue about? ...

Since Jews don't regard the Gospel as having any authority, why should they care about what's contained in it?

Anyway, I will say that many Old Testament laws were not true Law of God because God's law was changed by the scribes. And this testimony is found in the prophets, whom say so:

"... My people know not the judgment of Yahweh. How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Certainly has changed into a lie the lying pen of the scribes" (Jeremiah 8: 7-9).

"Woe to those who give wicked laws and scribes who write tyrannical prescriptions to set aside the poor and violate the rights of the underdog of my people, to rob widows and orphans" (Isaiah 10.1 -2)

"And the land is defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the laws, changed the commandments, broken the everlasting covenant" (Isaiah 24: 5-6).

"He says, therefore, the Lord: Because this people draw near me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me, and their fear of me is a commandment of men which have been taught" (Isaiah 29.13).

And Jesus Christ, remembering the words of the prophet Isaiah, also told the scribes and Pharisees who were teaching the commandments of men:

"Hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
This people honors me with their lips;
But their heart is far from me.
But in vain they do worship me,
Teaching for doctrines commandments of men" (Matthew 15.7-9

This is what happened, what the prophets tell us: The God's law was changed by the scribes. For this reason, the Old Testament's law is different to the commandments of Jesus Christ.

A few questions:

1. What translation are you using?
2. What do Jewish commentaries say about those verses?
3. What are their accepted historical contexts?

 

[Porque77]

Since Jews don't regard the Gospel as having any authority, why should they care about what's contained in it?

The problem is not that Jews care about the Gospel, the big problem is that Christians themselves are concerned about the laws of the Old Testament. Many who call themselves Christians have all the Old Testament laws like law of God.

Jesus abolished many commandments of the Old Testament because those commandments were not commandments of God.

The Jews did not accept the gospel.

And many who call themselves Christians do accept as "word of God" the laws of the Old Testament that Jesus Christ abolished.

 

[Riverwolf]

The problem is not that Jews care about the Gospel, the big problem is that Christians themselves are concerned about the laws of the Old Testament. Many who call themselves Christians have all the Old Testament laws like law of God.

Jesus abolished many commandments of the Old Testament because those commandments were not commandments of God.

The Jews did not accept the gospel.

And many who call themselves Christians do accept as "word of God" the laws of the Old Testament that Jesus Christ abolished.

IOW, you don't really care how Jews regard the Tanakh. Your concern is how Christians regard it.

Fair enough.

 

[Porque77]

IOW, you don't really care how Jews regard the Tanakh. Your concern is how Christians regard it.

Fair enough.

Obviously. And for Christians to understand that many Old Testament laws were abolished by Jesus Christ because they were not God's Law, I write some commandments of the Old Testament that Jesus Christ abolished.

Jesus abolished many commandments of the Old Testament because they were not God's Law, because Jesus did not come to abolish the Law of God. The Gospel says:

"It was also said, 'Whoever divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce. Nevertheless I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for the cause of prostitution, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced, commits adultery" (Matthew 5:...)

The jews of that time wrote in the law of the Old Testament that could separated from women for many reasons when they tired of them, but Jesus abolished these commandments. These commandments were written into the Old Testament and Jesus Christ abolished them.

"Again you have heard that it was said by them of old not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord. Nevertheless I tell you, Do not swear at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, or by the earth, for is the footstool of his feet, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because you can not do a single white or black hair. But let your ' Yes, yes, no, no, because what is more than these cometh of evil" (Matthew 5:...)

The Jews were accustomed to swear in many cases, and so wrote it in the laws of the Old Testament... The Lord abolished these precepts of the oaths.

The law of retaliation ("Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth") ABOLISHED BY JESUS CHRIST

"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also, and whosoever want to get to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your coat also, and whosoever shall compel thee to go one mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away" (Matthew 5:...)

The Jews were in the habit of applying the talionis law (law of revenge) in their judgments (eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn... and so on.), And so they wrote it in the laws of the old Testament (Exodus 21: 24-25). The Lord abolished this law of "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" because it was a law that did not included forgiveness or mercy, then weren't God's Law, because what God likes is the mercy.

"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you.... " (Matthew 5...)

The Jews, often beheaded or hanged his enemies, and not only to them, but then, as says the laws of the Old Testament, entered the conquered peoples and in many cases children and women were slaughtered... Jesus Christ abolished these Old Testament laws and commands us to love our enemies.

Other Old Testament laws abolished by Jesus Christ:

"If a man commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be dead". (Leviticus 20: 10)

"And the daughter of any priest, if she fornicate, dishonor his father; she shall be burnt with fire" (Leviticus 21: 9

That Is not what Jesus did with the adulterous woman in the Gospel Example:

"And the scribes and the Pharisees bring a woman taken in adultery; and having set her in the midst, they say unto him, Teacher, this woman hath been taken in adultery, in the very act. Now in the law Moses commanded us to stone such: what then sayest thou of her? And this they said, trying him, that they might have whereof to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground.

But when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground. And they, when they heard it, went out one by one, beginning from the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the midst. And Jesus lifted up himself, and said unto her, Woman, where are they? did no man condemn thee? And she said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said, Neither do I condemn thee: go thy way; from henceforth sin no more. Again therefore Jesus spake unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life". (Juan 8: 3-12)

With this teaching, Jesus abolished the Old Testament commandments that ordered kill people for various reasons. So far we have collected some examples of Old Testament commandments that Jesus abolished, but the argument that Jesus had with the Jews because of the law, is much broader and at this discussion is devoted a large part of the Gospel. Jesus taught us the true law of God.

 

[Shermana]

In the last century have had many different doctrines and many men who fight against the teachings of the Gospel. And all this because they do not like the teachings of the Gospel.

More like the last centuries. And you're right, it's because they don't like the teachings of the Gospel, which is to obey the whole Jewish Law, just not as the Pharisees interpreted it.

People like....

You.

 

[CMike]

The problem is not that Jews care about the Gospel, the big problem is that Christians themselves are concerned about the laws of the Old Testament. Many who call themselves Christians have all the Old Testament laws like law of God.

Jesus abolished many commandments of the Old Testament because those commandments were not commandments of God.

The Jews did not accept the gospel.

And many who call themselves Christians do accept as "word of God" the laws of the Old Testament that Jesus Christ abolished.

Jesus didn't abolish any laws from the Torah.

The laws given by G-D in the Torah are perpetual and can not be abolished. G-D said in the Torah not to add nor subtract from the commandments given to the jews in the torah.

Only jews need to abide by them though. If jews don't abide by them they are still bound by them.

Jesus may be the christian god, but he is certainly not the jewish one.