The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW

[Sleeppy]

Notice that this new covenant , which was to be internalized whereas we would be judged as individuals, and this new covenant is with "the house of Israel", which is clearly not a reference to gentiles. On top of that, "God's Law" is a reference to the Mosaiic Law, all 613 of them.

Also, you might want to check these out:

Deuteronomy 4:2: "your G-d…shall not add to what I have commanded you or subtract."

Dt. 13(1): "You shall be careful to observe, neither adding to it or subtracting."

Dt. 13(5): "His commandment you shall observe, holding fast to Him alone."

Dt. 29(28): "Concerns us and our descendents forever, that we may carry out all the words of this Law."

Joshua 1(5): "I will not leave or forsake you…(7) observe the entire Law … do not swerve from it."

Psalms 19(8): "The Law of the Lord is perfect… (10) the ordinances of the Lord are true; all of them are just."

Ps. 119(160): "permanence is Your words chief trait, each of Your just ordinances is everlasting."

Isaiah 42(21): "pleased the Lord in His justice to make His Law great and glorious."

Is. 66(17): "they who eat swine’s flesh … shall all perish."

Baruch 4(1): "the Law endures forever."

And note that this is only a partial list of such references.

The new covenant is for all flesh. Did you notice the words "neighbors" and "brothers"?

Jeremiah 31:27-30

Lo, days are coming, an affirmation of Jehovah, And I have sown the house of Israel, And the house of Judah, With seed of man, and seed of beast. And it hath been, as I watched over them to pluck up, And to break down, and to throw down, And to destroy, and to afflict; So do I watch over them to build, and to plant, An affirmation of Jehovah. In those days they do not say any more: Fathers have eaten unripe fruit, And the sons' teeth are blunted. But -- each for his own iniquity doth die, Every man who is eating the unripe fruit, Blunted are his teeth.

Indeed. Jeremiah spoke from bias as did all of your prophets. But, I'm fairly certain I can show you the difference between bias and reality.

What could Adam say? "Paradise is lost for all the sons of man," and "The ground, and even childbirth, has become cursed because of me?"

What could Jeconiah say? "None of my sons may be king," and "Even God's Law has recorded me childless?"


What can we say? "The ice is melting, the jungles are depleted," and "We war between neighbor and brother, and perform all manners of evil toward the Father in Heaven?"

Or should we begin to say, "We have recorded ourselves childless, because of what we have done to the Earth, and in it."

Jews never have been, or will be, the only people of God.


Deuteronomy- How many laws were in the garden with Adam? How many with Noah? How many with Abraham? How many with Isaac? How many with Jacob? How many with Moses? How many with Aaron? How many with Egypt? How many with Solomon? And David?

And how many are lasting today? And how many were added?

Psalms- When you eat, what happens to the food you digest?

Was there an ordinance determining the size and shape of your food? The benefit? The color? The taste?

And what happened to these ordinances once you swallowed and digested them? Did they change? Where? How? When?

Isaiah- What does it say? Without adding or subtracting?

Let us see if Isaiah also had bias toward his generation and heritage.



Let the goal of our discussion be to find hypocrisy and remove it.

 

[Sleeppy]

By saying that jesus did whatever to the law from G-d, he is implying that G-D makes mistakes.

Our G-D doesn't.

Don't answer to me. Answer to yourself.

Exodus 32:9-14

And Jehovah saith unto Moses, `I have seen this people, and lo, it [is] a stiff-necked people; and now, let Me alone, and My anger doth burn against them, and I consume them, and I make thee become a great nation.' And Moses appeaseth the face of Jehovah his God, and saith, `Why, O Jehovah, doth Thine anger burn against Thy people, whom Thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power and with a strong hand? why do the Egyptians speak, saying, For evil He brought them out to slay them among mountains, and to consume them from off the face of the ground? turn back from the heat of Thine anger, and repent of the evil against Thy people. `Be mindful of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Israel, Thy servants, to whom Thou hast sworn by Thyself, and unto whom Thou speakest: I multiply your seed as stars of the heavens, and all this land, as I have said, I give to your seed, and they have inherited to the age;' and Jehovah repenteth of the evil which He hath spoken of doing to His people.

Does your God repent of evil? And then complete it partially with the Levites?

 

[Sleeppy]

English?

You're English?

Nevertheless, it may not matter to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

We're looking for Abraham; Israel, specifically. Any relation?

 

[CMike]

Don't answer to me. Answer to yourself.

Exodus 32:9-14

And Jehovah saith unto Moses, `I have seen this people, and lo, it [is] a stiff-necked people; and now, let Me alone, and My anger doth burn against them, and I consume them, and I make thee become a great nation.' And Moses appeaseth the face of Jehovah his God, and saith, `Why, O Jehovah, doth Thine anger burn against Thy people, whom Thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power and with a strong hand? why do the Egyptians speak, saying, For evil He brought them out to slay them among mountains, and to consume them from off the face of the ground? turn back from the heat of Thine anger, and repent of the evil against Thy people. `Be mindful of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Israel, Thy servants, to whom Thou hast sworn by Thyself, and unto whom Thou speakest: I multiply your seed as stars of the heavens, and all this land, as I have said, I give to your seed, and they have inherited to the age;' and Jehovah repenteth of the evil which He hath spoken of doing to His people.

Does your God repent of evil? And then complete it partially with the Levites?

Can you write a coherent question?

 

[Sleeppy]

So anyone who claims to have a Spirit of truth is speaking God's truth?

What do you mean that if I claim you lack the Spirit of truth that I judge the Creator? How does that make any sense? Are you claiming to be a prophet or something?

The true source is God, but he is definitely not using you to convey that source, I'll bet my life on that one. Do you bet your life on that he is?

I attribute the source of righteousness to individuals? Ummm no, I believe God is behind everything.

I think you are under the delusion that if I disagree with you that I don't believe in God. Such a common delusion these days, I can't tell if it's just faulty reasoning or a MASSIVE ego complex, but I'm leaning towards the latter.

Did I ask you if you wanted to say a prayer with me for those who speak falsehoods in the name of God to be put to shame and silence?

If I don't have a spirit of truth, but am able to speak the truth, where did it originate? Myself? Or God? Did He decide beforehand which words would be true, and which would be false? It's not a hard thing to understand. Two people are able to disagree, or coexist. There are teachers, and there are students. And they are not mutually exclusive of one another.

Where does the chain of liars begin? Who did I inherit such a deadly and unfortunate circumstance from? Who taught me?

And if I speak truth and lie together.. How is it? Is the spirit put over the truth? And something else put over the lie? You teach me.

How can I bet my own life? May I tempt God?

Matthew 5:33-37

Again, ye heard that it was said to the ancients: Thou shalt not swear falsely, but thou shalt pay to the Lord thine oaths; but I -- I say to you, not to swear at all; neither by the heaven, because it is the throne of God, nor by the earth, because it is His footstool, nor by Jerusalem, because it is a city of a great king, nor by thy head mayest thou swear, because thou art not able one hair to make white or black; but let your word be, Yes, Yes, No, No, and that which is more than these is of the evil.



You believe God is behind everything, yet you judge the "doers of lawlessness?" And do they receive what is just, being the sources of lawlessness and evil? Or do you condemn the sons of God with the sons of perdition?


We prayed. And it was according to Law. But, you omit the power of God to build up, and to plant. We would be better off praying as I suggested, because Jesus prayed in the fullness of Law and understanding.

Matthew 26:38-45

`Exceedingly sorrowful is my soul -- unto death; abide ye here, and watch with me.' And having gone forward a little, he fell on his face, praying, and saying, `My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as Thou.' And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them sleeping, and he saith to Peter, `So! ye were not able one hour to watch with me! watch, and pray, that ye may not enter into temptation: the spirit indeed is forward, but the flesh weak.' Again, a second time, having gone away, he prayed, saying, `My Father, if this cup cannot pass away from me except I drink it, Thy will be done;' and having come, he findeth them again sleeping, for their eyes were heavy. And having left them, having gone away again, he prayed a third time, saying the same word; then cometh he unto his disciples, and saith to them, `Sleep on henceforth, and rest! lo, the hour hath come nigh, and the Son of Man is delivered up to the hands of sinners.'

Our prayers are compared to the will of God, which has all knowledge.

Matthew 6:7-8

'And -- praying -- ye may not use vain repetitions like the nations, for they think that in their much speaking they shall be heard, be ye not therefore like to them, for your Father doth know those things that ye have need of before your asking him.'

 

[Sleeppy]

Can you write a coherent question?

Which words didn't you understand?

 

[Shermana]

Can you write a coherent answer?

 

[Porque77]

Jesus said "why do you call me good? Do you not know only our father in heaven is good?" That is a recognition that he is not worthy to be called Good.

That which you say is not correct, because what the Gospel says is the following:

"Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God" (Matthew 19:17)

To understand these words, you must understand other passage of the Gospel that says:

"Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me. If you had known me, you would have known my Father also; henceforth you know him and have seen him."
8 Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father, and we shall be satisfied."
9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?" John 14:6-9

 

[Shermana]

That simply means that Jesus is the representative and messenger of God.

 

[Sleeppy]

Can you write a coherent answer?

You expect me to believe you couldn't understand those words?

 

[Porque77]

That simply means that Jesus is the representative and messenger of God.

Jesus Christ is God made Man. And He is the way, the truth and the life:

"Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life". (Johm 14: 6)

Jesus Christ is the Word, and the Word is God:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God". (John 1:1)

Jesus Christ is God, and He came to abolished many men's commandments wrote in the Old Testament. And He abolished those commandments because they aren't God's commandments.


Jesus Christ is God, and He came to abolish many commandments of men written in the Old Testament. And He abolished those commandments because they weren't God's commandments.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Dear friends, I have studied the writings of the prophets, and I found several quotes that make me think what happened to God's Law.


The writings of the prophets tell us that God's law was changed.


The prophets tell us that the scribes had changed the God's Law

The Mosaic covenant and law were given by God, but after the years and centuries, the prophets tell us that the scribes changed the law of God. So tell us the prophets:

"... My people know not the judgment of Yahweh. How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Certainly has changed into a lie the lying pen of the scribes" (Jeremiah 8: 7-9).

"Woe to those who give wicked laws and scribes who write tyrannical prescriptions to set aside the poor and violate the rights of the underdog of my people, to rob widows and orphans" (Isaiah 10.1 -2)

"And the land is defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the laws, changed the commandments, broken the everlasting covenant" (Isaiah 24: 5-6).

"He says, therefore, the Lord: Because this people draw near me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me, and their fear of me is a commandment of men which have been taught" (Isaiah 29.13).

And Jesus Christ, remembering the words of the prophet Isaiah, also told the scribes and Pharisees who were teaching the commandments of men:

"Hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
This people honors me with their lips;
But their heart is far from me.
But in vain they do worship me,
Teaching for doctrines commandments of men" (Matthew 15.7-9

Dear friends, this is what happened, what the prophets tell us: The God's law was changed by the scribes. The Old Testament's law is different to the commandments of Jesus Christ.

What version of the Bible are you quoting?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I do not see that Jesus Christ came to change the law of God. What I see is that Jesus Christ came to show us the true Law of God.

It's nice that you have your own gospel but you are still horribly confused.

 

[CMike]

Don't answer to me. Answer to yourself.

Exodus 32:9-14

And Jehovah saith unto Moses, `I have seen this people, and lo, it [is] a stiff-necked people; and now, let Me alone, and My anger doth burn against them, and I consume them, and I make thee become a great nation.' And Moses appeaseth the face of Jehovah his God, and saith, `Why, O Jehovah, doth Thine anger burn against Thy people, whom Thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power and with a strong hand? why do the Egyptians speak, saying, For evil He brought them out to slay them among mountains, and to consume them from off the face of the ground? turn back from the heat of Thine anger, and repent of the evil against Thy people. `Be mindful of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Israel, Thy servants, to whom Thou hast sworn by Thyself, and unto whom Thou speakest: I multiply your seed as stars of the heavens, and all this land, as I have said, I give to your seed, and they have inherited to the age;' and Jehovah repenteth of the evil which He hath spoken of doing to His people.

Does your God repent of evil? And then complete it partially with the Levites?

What the heck does that mean?

 

[CMike]

You're English?

Nevertheless, it may not matter to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

We're looking for Abraham; Israel, specifically. Any relation?

English please?

 

[Levite]

Throwing out a bunch of quotes from Christian scripture isn't likely to prove anything to anyone except Christians.

For Jews, these have as much relevance as quoting from the Vedas or Sutras. In short, nothing. Christianity is another religion. Just because they worship a Jew doesn't actually mean their scriptures have any relevance to or bearing upon Jewish scriptures, Jewish tradition, or Jewish theology.

Jewish scriptures are Jewish, intended for Jews to read using Jewish traditions, teachings, and exegetical tools to understand them. We are neither responsible nor concerned with the misunderstandings of our sacred texts that non-Jews who choose to illegitimately lay claim to them come to when they read them in their own translations, in the absence of the proper teachings to draw appropriate meanings from them.

 

[CMike]

Throwing out a bunch of quotes from Christian scripture isn't likely to prove anything to anyone except Christians.

For Jews, these have as much relevance as quoting from the Vedas or Sutras. In short, nothing. Christianity is another religion. Just because they worship a Jew doesn't actually mean their scriptures have any relevance to or bearing upon Jewish scriptures, Jewish tradition, or Jewish theology.

Jewish scriptures are Jewish, intended for Jews to read using Jewish traditions, teachings, and exegetical tools to understand them. We are neither responsible nor concerned with the misunderstandings of our sacred texts that non-Jews who choose to illegitimately lay claim to them come to when they read them in their own translations, in the absence of the proper teachings to draw appropriate meanings from them.

:yes:

I want to add that they were written by jews, for jews, to be interpreted by jews.

 

[Levite]

:yes:

I want to add that they were written by jews, for jews, to be interpreted by jews.

Yes. :yes:

 

[Brickjectivity]

Porque77, please lay off beating up the Jews.

First, Jews "have been entrusted with the very words of God," present future tense even according to Paul. Even after Jesus, they still are entrusted. Second, Jesus wasn't good wasn't perfected until his resurrection if we go by Hebrews. Besides all of that Christians are in a tenuous position scriptural-ly speaking. We exist only in an 'If you can except it' state, so there's no room for gloating like you are doing. For example Elijah never came, but we are supposed to count John the Baptist as if he were Elijah.

• What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision? Much in every way! First of all, the Jews have been entrusted with the very words of God. (NIV Romans 3::1-2)
• Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him (NIV Hebrews 5::8-9 On Jesus death )

 

[Shermana]

Jesus Christ is God made Man. And He is the way, the truth and the life:

"Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life". (Johm 14: 6)

Jesus Christ is the Word, and the Word is God:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God". (John 1:1)

Jesus Christ is God, and He came to abolished many men's commandments wrote in the Old Testament. And He abolished those commandments because they aren't God's commandments.


Jesus Christ is God, and He came to abolish many commandments of men written in the Old Testament. And He abolished those commandments because they weren't God's commandments.

John 1:1c should read "And the word was a god". Otherwise, I'll be happy to explain once again the grammatical issue of the Anarthrous.

If you disagree, please quote Acts 28:6.

Jesus specifically said he did not come to abolish the Law. He did come to negate certain Pharisee traditions like the Ritual washing of hands and the idea that one could dedicate their wealth to god as a means of getting out of helping their parents, or that "Eye for an Eye" had to be strictly and rigidly enforced for every petty infraction, and he took the Shammai interpretation of the law of divorce.

But he said anyone who teaches to break the least of the commandments shall be called the least in the kingdom.

And he said doers of lawlessness shall be cast away.

So that would include you.