The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW

[Porque77]

No, the Law and the commandments spoken by the LORD are not all those that are written in the Old Testament, because the scribes changed the God's Law into lies, as teaches us Jeremiah 8, 7-8. And there are many precepts of men in the Old Testament.
The Law that God had really given to Moses is not the Old Testament mandates that ordered men sacrificies, slavery and to harm and kill people.
The Law that God had really given to Moses is what Jesus taught us when He preached the Gospel, because He Himself said that the Law and the prophets is this:
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7: 12)
This is Law that JesusChrist came not to abolished and the true God's Law
And the commandments of the LORD are not all those that are written in the Old Testament, but those that Jesus Christ teaches us in the Gospel, because Jesus taught that the commandments are these:
"if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19:16-22

We've all heard of them. Those Scribes, the ones who write the Books of the Law. They sit with the Pharisees in Moses' seat.......
Jeremiah is not complaining that the Jewish copyists have altered the Torah.......

Voila, problem solved.

No. The problem is not solved.
You must understand that there is a lot of confusion in the world because many Old Testament mandates that God had not really given were attributed to God, mandates that were only precepts and mandates of men, like the mandates that ordered sacrifices, slavery, eye for eye, death sentences, wars and genocides where many mein killed men, women and children of the defeated towns. And Jesus Christ revealed to us the true commandments of God, which are what He teaches us in the Gospel. Jesus Christ remembered and commanded to keep the commandments that God had really given Israel, which are the commandments that Jesus Christ taught when He preached the Gospel:

"...if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

 

[Harel13]

No. The problem is not solved.

Why not? If you read Jeremiah 8 in context, you'll find that the lying scribes are those that made false promises to Israel, not the scribes in general.
Therefore, Jeremiah 8 cannot be used to prove that any part of the Torah has been falsified.

 

[Porque77]

No. The problem is not solved.
You must understand that there is a lot of confusion in the world because many Old Testament mandates that God had not really given were attributed to God, mandates that were only precepts and mandates of men, like the mandates that ordered sacrifices, slavery, eye for eye, death sentences, wars and genocides where many men killed men, women and children of the defeated towns. And Jesus Christ revealed to us the true commandments of God, which are what He teaches us in the Gospel. Jesus Christ remembered and commanded to keep the commandments that God had really given Israel, which are the commandments that Jesus Christ taught when He preached the Gospel:

"...if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

Why not? If you read Jeremiah 8 in context, you'll find that the lying scribes are those that made false promises to Israel, not the scribes in general.
Therefore, Jeremiah 8 cannot be used to prove that any part of the Torah has been falsified.

That is not true, because Jeremiah says that the Law of God was changed by the lying pen of the scribes. The prophet is talking about the Law of God, and says that it was changed in the scriptures.

So, in the Old Testament many mandates of men were preached as if they were from God, because the Law of God was changed into a lie by the lying pen of the scribes, as the prophet Jeremiah says:

"...but my people know not the ordinance of the LORD. "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie". (Jeremiah 8:7-8)

For this reason, Jesus Christ, when He preached the Gospel, abolished many Old Testament mandates and revealed to us the commandments that were actually given by God..

 

[RabbiO]

@Porque77 -

Post #1621

 

[Porque77]

Voila, problem solved.

No. The problem is not solved.
You must understand that there is a lot of confusion in the world because many Old Testament mandates that God had not really given were attributed to God, mandates that were only precepts and mandates of men, like the mandates that ordered sacrifices, slavery, eye for eye, death sentences, wars and genocides where many mein killed men, women and children of the defeated towns. And Jesus Christ revealed to us the true commandments of God, which are what He teaches us in the Gospel. Jesus Christ remembered and commanded to keep the commandments that God had really given Israel, which are the commandments that Jesus Christ taught when He preached the Gospel:

"...if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

Why not? If you read Jeremiah 8 in context, you'll find that the lying scribes are those that made false promises to Israel, not the scribes in general.
Therefore, Jeremiah 8 cannot be used to prove that any part of the Torah has been falsified.

That is not true, because Jeremiah says that the Law of God was changed by the lying pen of the scribes. The prophet is talking about the Law of God, and says that it was changed in the scriptures.

So, in the Old Testament many mandates of men were preached as if they were from God, because the Law of God was changed into a lie by the lying pen of the scribes, as the prophet Jeremiah says:

"...but my people know not the ordinance of the LORD. "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie". (Jeremiah 8:7-8)

For this reason, Jesus Christ, when He preached the Gospel, abolished many Old Testament mandates and revealed to us the commandments that were actually given by God..

@Porque77 -

Post #1621

How long has it been since I first brought to your attention that quoting Jeremiah without understanding context is an error? I know - six years. During all that time how often have you expressed an interest in understanding the context? I know - I can count the number with 0 fingers.

I suppose some might draw comfort in an ever changing world that you remain solid and unwavering in your arrogance and your ignorance. Some, however, probably feel that in regard to Jeremiah - “...behold, the false pen of Porque77 has made it into a lie.”

The lying pen is that of those who teach that the Old Testament mandates that Jesus Christ abolished were given by God, for Jesus Christ did not come to abolish the true commandments of God. It must be understood that in the Old Testament many mandates of men were written, that is why Jesus Christ abolished them and He had previously said He had not come to abolish the true commandments of God.

 

[Clear]

Hi @Porque77

Your Opening Post is insightful and interesting. I think that it is difficult for members of historical religions movements of all kinds, (whether they be Christian or Jewish or Muslim, etc.) to embrace the idea that there own religion is not the same as the early religion that carried the same name. For example, it seems as difficult for modern rabbinic Jews to admit that their religion is not the religion of the old testament just as a modern Christian movement is not the same religion as that of the New Testament though both share the name with former religions.


Regarding the evolution of doctrines and the creeping theology and admission of errors into various theologies over time. This seems to be as much a personality trait as it is anything else. For example, there is a fear underlying the terrible question “What am I to believe if God doesn’t keep my religion or or my pastor or my rabbi, or my interpretation, etc.) from error?”. This is a common, though inadequate defense for claiming the correctness of religion.

In a similar manner, when discussing Judaic doctrinal apostasy with a Jewish friend, he also denied that the Jews ever lost Gods favor (since I had pointed out that the Jews no longer had prophetic revelation as the basic characteristic of their religion anciently; they no longer had the ability to create scriptures ; they no longer had their levitical priesthood ; they no longer had their temple, etc). HIS defense also centered on a claim that “God would never have permitted his chosen people to believe in errors and apostatize away from revealed, true religion”.


REGARDING THE TENDENCY TO APOSTATIZE FROM ORIGINAL RELIGION

When one thread discussed Jewish’s motives to “turn away” from the gospel, a Christian posters’ similar insightful question for Christians was : “Do you really think we do any better?” .

I think this self-admission that we ALL tend, as individuals, to accumulate some degree of errors, IS an appropriate and profound observation if Christianities are to ever gain insight into why Christians also “turn away” from truths, since, only a small portion of the many conflicting Christian theories on a specific doctrine CAN be correct and the rest must represent some degree of error.

Yet if modern versions of historical religions continue to innovate and develop new and different theological theories and move away (or “turn away”) from the more ancient traditions it should not surprise us that this phenomenon has always happened, even anciently.

Such words remind me of Pseudo-Hecateus when he says “We throngs of men go astray in our hearts when, to gain solace from misery, we set up as statues of gods figures worked from wood, or images of copper, gold or ivory. We imagine we are religious when we enjoin in their honor sacrifices and evil festivals. (#2 Clement of Alexandria, Stromateis 5.113)

This principle that man innovates and then adopts changed religion has ALWAYS been true whether speaking of Jews or Christians. Prophets reveal authentic religion. Men then go astray. Other prophets attempt to reform them to authentic religion to mankind, which correction men then apostatize from, which other prophets attempt to reform them, ad nauseum.

This is one of the great lessons that God seems to be trying to teach mankind from the beginning, that is, that none of us; neither Jews nor Christians are immune to this specific weakness. ALL mankind tend to apostatize to some extent. We innovate, we imagine, we theorize. And as we do, we get certain things wrong. And, as we repetitively adopt increasing numbers of errors, they both accumulate and magnify the tendency to evolve away from original religion.

In any case, I think your point is well taken, that even the fact that there were multiple versions of the Torah by Hilkiahs time (and beyond) is evidence that the torah text was not static but continued to change in it's various versions and certainly, the scribes played their part in the textual and doctrinal changes that affected historic Judaism and the later religions that are called by the same name.

I hope your journey is good,

Clear
σεακτωτζειω

 

[Harel13]

Knowing full-well when I entered this thread that I would leave in this manner,

The lying pen is that of those who teach that the Old Testament mandates that Jesus Christ abolished were given by God, for Jesus Christ did not come to abolish the true commandments of God. It must be understood that in the Old Testament many mandates of men were written, that is why Jesus Christ abolished them and He had previously said He had not come to abolish the true commandments of God.

 

[Porque77]

Knowing full-well when I entered this thread that I would leave in this manner,

The lying pen is that of those who teach that the Old Testament mandates that Jesus Christ abolished were given by God, for Jesus Christ did not come to abolish the true commandments of God. It must be understood that in the Old Testament many mandates of men were written, that is why Jesus Christ abolished them and He had previously said He had not come to abolish the true commandments of God.

Harel, you should read what Clear says and what I answer:

Hi @Porque77

Your Opening Post is insightful and interesting. I think that it is difficult for members of historical religions movements of all kinds, (whether they be Christian or Jewish or Muslim, etc.) to embrace the idea that there own religion is not the same as the early religion that carried the same name........

........ This principle that man innovates and then adopts changed religion has ALWAYS been true whether speaking of Jews or Christians. Prophets reveal authentic religion. Men then go astray. Other prophets attempt to reform them to authentic religion to mankind, which correction men then apostatize from, which other prophets attempt to reform them, ad nauseum.

This is one of the great lessons that God seems to be trying to teach mankind from the beginning, that is, that none of us; neither Jews nor Christians are immune to this specific weakness. ALL mankind tend to apostatize to some extent. We innovate, we imagine, we theorize. And as we do, we get certain things wrong. And, as we repetitively adopt increasing numbers of errors, they both accumulate and magnify the tendency to evolve away from original religion.

In any case, I think your point is well taken, that even the fact that there were multiple versions of the Torah by Hilkiahs time (and beyond) is evidence that the torah text was not static but continued to change in it's various versions and certainly, the scribes played their part in the textual and doctrinal changes that affected historic Judaism and the later religions that are called by the same name.

I hope your journey is good,

Clear
σεακτωτζειω

Hi, Clear. Thank you for your response and for your understanding. Basically, the problem with both Jews and many who call themselves Christians is that they have not understood what Jesus Christ taught us when he preached the Gospel: that, although Jesus Christ gave us a new commandment, but we must also keep all the commandments that Jesus teaches us in the Gospel, because He said:

"If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will beg the Father, and he will give you another Comforter, that he may be with you for ever, the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see him nor know him; but ye know him, for he abides with you, and shall be in you". (Juan 14:15-16)

And Jesus Christ taught us the commandments that were really given by God:

"And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

These are the commandments of the Gospel, which are very different to the commandments of the Old Testament, for all the commandments of the Gospel are merciful, but many Old Testament commandments commands death sentences, wars and slavery.

 

[Harel13]

Harel, you should read what Clear says and what I answer:


Hi, Clear. Thank you for your response and for your understanding. Basically, the problem with both Jews and many who call themselves Christians is that they have not understood what Jesus Christ taught us when he preached the Gospel: that, although Jesus Christ gave us a new commandment, but we must also keep all the commandments that Jesus teaches us in the Gospel, because He said:

"If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will beg the Father, and he will give you another Comforter, that he may be with you for ever, the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see him nor know him; but ye know him, for he abides with you, and shall be in you". (Juan 14:15-16)

And Jesus Christ taught us the commandments that were really given by God:

"And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

These are the commandments of the Gospel, which are very different to the commandments of the Old Testament, for all the commandments of the Gospel are merciful, but many Old Testament commandments commands death sentences, wars and slavery.

Sooo...have you sold all of your belongings and given the money to the poor?

 

[sojourner]

Basically, the problem with both Jews and many who call themselves Christians is that they have not understood what Jesus Christ taught us when he preached the Gospel:

So, basically, everyone who disagrees with your take is a “problem” and/or a “fake Christian.” You realize, of course, that any number of people could use that selfsame argument against you and have just as legitimate an argument. The problem is that you seem to think that the definition of people and the interpretation of biblical passages is an individual endeavor, to carry on unchecked by community consensus. It doesn’t work that way.

These are the commandments of the Gospel, which are very different to the commandments of the Old Testament, for all the commandments of the Gospel are merciful, but many Old Testament commandments commands death sentences, wars and slavery.

This is the worst sort of head-in-the-sand, unresearched, lack-of-foundational-evidence. If you really understood Torah, and the theological underpinnings of the Jewish faith, you’d realize that Torah is “merciful.”

 

[Clear]

@Porque77 said : "Basically, the problem with both Jews and many who call themselves Christians is that they have not understood what Jesus Christ taught us when he preached the Gospel: that, although Jesus Christ gave us a new commandment, but we must also keep all the commandments that Jesus teaches us in the Gospel,..." (post #1648)


Hi Porque77

I have not read the thread for any background of your conversations with your detractors nor was I trying to support any other personal theories you might have proposed. My point was simply that mankind, (in this case, the Jews and Christians), tend to apostatize away from original religion. I am applying this tendency, not simply to Jews who apostatized and to “many who call themselves Christians” (as you expressed it), but to all of us. I am applying this tendency to Myself, to you, to all others.

However, I am not applying evil or bad motives to much of this change in biblical text.

For example, the Masoretes tell us that their motive in changing the text was to remove indelicate expressions and to preserve the honor of God. The point is that, in doing so, they did not remain faithful to the original text and thus the changes in text often reflected their theology, rather than that of the writers (whoever they were) with their earlier religion. This happened to the Christians with the New Testament text, the changes and errors in New Testament text may have shared similar motives and methods.

As another example, there was an error in your textual Quote from Matthew 19:16-22.

I do not think your erroroneous quote of Matthew 19:16-19 was intention, but your error was probably unintentional and you were, probably, even unaware of your error. Just as the Jews introduced errors into their texts, the New Testament in its many variants has errors in it’s text (i.e. it is incorrect). People make mistakes, the texts contain mistakes.

In any case, I hope your spiritual journey is good.

Clear
σεακφιδρειω

 

[Muffled]

Circular logic.

I didn't see any logic so it can't be circular. Unless there is a premise that is simply understood as in the sky is blue because God made it blue. The understood premise is that God made everything even though it isn't stated.

However the stement is not true because of bad logic but simply because it says something is that is not. ie. The Gospel is not a law.

 

[Porque77]

The Gospel is not a law.

That's not true, because Jesus Christ remembered and commanded to keep the commandments that God had really given Israel, which are the commandments that Jesus Christ taught when He preached the Gospel:

"...if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

 

[Porque77]

Basically, the problem with both Jews and many who call themselves Christians is that they have not understood what Jesus Christ taught us when he preached the Gospel: that, although Jesus Christ gave us a new commandment, but we must also keep all the commandments that Jesus teaches us in the Gospel, because He said:

"If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will beg the Father, and he will give you another Comforter, that he may be with you for ever, the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see him nor know him; but ye know him, for he abides with you, and shall be in you". (Juan 14:15-16)

And Jesus Christ taught us the commandments that were really given by God:

"And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

These are the commandments of the Gospel, which are very different to the commandments of the Old Testament, for all the commandments of the Gospel are merciful, but many Old Testament commandments commands death sentences, wars and slavery.

If you really understood Torah, and the theological underpinnings of the Jewish faith, you’d realize that Torah is “merciful.”

The Law that God had really given was merciful. But the scribes changed the Law of God into a lie, as Jeremiah 8:7-8 says.

For this, the prophet Jeremiah says that God would make a New Covenant in which he would give his Law in the mind and heart of his children:

Jer 31:31

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land, of Egypt; which my covenant they broke, although I was a husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least, of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

And Jesus Christ said that his blood was the blood of the New Covenant.

Mat 26:27-28
And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


And it is that Jesus Christ gave his life to preach the Gospel and teach us the true commandments of God.

 

[sojourner]

The Law that God had really given was merciful. But the scribes changed the Law of God into a lie

the Law is still merciful. That's why it was written to protect the vulnerable.

 

[Porque77]

The Law that God had really given was merciful. But the scribes changed the Law of God into a lie, as Jeremiah 8:7-8 says.

For this, the prophet Jeremiah says that God would make a New Covenant in which he would give his Law in the mind and heart of his children:

Jer 31:31

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land, of Egypt; which my covenant they broke, although I was a husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least, of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

And Jesus Christ said that his blood was the blood of the New Covenant.

Mat 26:27-28
And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


And it is that Jesus Christ gave his life to preach the Gospel and teach us the true commandments of God.

the Law is still merciful. That's why it was written to protect the vulnerable.

The Law that God had really given was and continues being merciful. But in the Old Testament there are many written laws that lacked mercy because they were not from God, because the law of God had been changed into lie by the lying pen of the scribes.

The Law that God had really given is the Gospel Law, and not all mandates of Old Testament.

 

[Porque77]

The Law that God had really given was and continues being merciful. But in the Old Testament there are many written laws that lacked mercy because they were not from God, because the law of God had been changed into lie by the lying pen of the scribes.

The Law that God had really given is the Gospel Law, and not all mandates of Old Testament.

The commandments that Jesus Christ teaches in the Gospel are in effect, because Jesus Christ says:

"if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

But the Ten Commandments of the Old Testament are not all in effect because are not all equal to the commandments that teach us the gospel, there are big differences:

The 10 Old Testament commandments talk about having servants or slaves. But the commandments that Jesus Christ teaches in the Gospel do not speak of having servants or slaves.

Also, the Old Testament about sabbat days, tells us:

"Keep the Sabbath day to sanctify it, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee. Six days thou shalt labor, and shalt do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: thou shalt not do any work therein, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maid, nor thine ox, nor thine ***, neither any of thy cattle, nor the stranger that is within thy gates: that thy manservant and thy maid may rest as well as thou". (Deut. 5: 12-15).

On the contrary, the Gospel tells us:
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"But Jesus answered them, My father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him: not only because he had broken the Sabbath: but said also that God was his Father, and made himself equal with God"(John 5: 16-18)

Jesus did not respected and not fulfilled those laws about the Sabbath written in the Ten Commandments the Old Testament, and it is because Jesus Christ was God and those Old Testament laws were not God's law.

The 10 Commandments of the Old Testament's laws also say:

"Thou shalt not desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field or his manslave or his maidslave, his ox or his *** or any thing that is thy neighbour's" (Deutoro. 5: 21).

This commandment is contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ in the Gospel. Jesus Christ said to a man who had great wealth:

"Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go, sell that thou hast, and give it to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven, and come, and follow me" (Matthew 19: 16-22)

Is not equal say to those living in poverty they not should desire anything from those with great wealth than tell those who have great wealth sell all what they have and give all what they have to the poor. And this is other of the great differences between the commandments of the Old Testament and the commandments of the Gospel.

 

[Porque77]

Jesus Christ remembered and commanded to keep the commandments that God had really given Israel, which are the commandments that Jesus Christ taught when He preached the Gospel:

"...if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

The New Covenant commandments are the commandments that Jesus Christ teaches in the Gospel. And these commandments of the Gospel are for all peoples to keep, because Jesus Christ said:

"...if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

And He also said:

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen". (Matthew 28:19-20).

"Go into all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned". (Mark 16:15-16)

 

[Hawkins]

It is a warning that some scribes may choose to do this deliberately. That drives a serious process referred to as the canonization. The NT's canonization actually was driven in a similar way, it's due to the emergence of heresies outside God's churches.

During the exile and due to the lack of a central authority, different groups of Jews may scribe the different books with significant errors. That's why Ezra found the need to unify the Scripture then guarded by a central authority which was later developed into the Great Sanhedrin.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

The New Covenant commandments are the commandments that Jesus Christ teaches in the Gospel. And these commandments of the Gospel are for all peoples to keep, because Jesus Christ said:

"...if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

And He also said:

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen". (Matthew 28:19-20).

"Go into all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned". (Mark 16:15-16)

The examples that Jesus gives of commandments are straight out of the Torah. Thus it is the Torah that Jesus teaches brings eternal life, it is the Torah that he commands his followers.