The purposeful vagueness of scriptures.

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Christ, Muhammad, Baha’u’llah, Lao Tzu, and all people are inspirational.

No one talks for God. It is all words of humans.

Everyone but God is allowed to talk per your view. Why is that?

 

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That’s your opinion. I choose to differ.

It's a choice to live as a dependent, to be a slave to men, to avoid personal responsibility, to not think for oneself, to be a puppet, a slave to whom you claim is "prophet". It's the mindset that allows wars, atrocities, groupthink, tribalism, cults, and heirarchies to oppress.

It's a lot of work to be self-reliant, more difficult to research and think for yourself.

Easiest to just copy.
Easiest to just follow.
Easy to just bow head, stay in group, don't question, obey the dictator, obey the cult leader, obey the crazy power-hungry god-complex profit/prophet. Most people just copy.. sad.

God sais kill all who do not belong to our group.
God sais pay your tithes
God sais trust - only me - faith in me only, don't think, just follow, just have "faith" - if you don't follow me you are evil.
God sais don't read or listen to anything but me
God sais you are a sinner and are nothing without the prophet.
God sais you are worthless without your group.
God sais your marriage isn't real unless I perform the ceremony.
God sais you aren't saved unless our group performs the ordinances.
God sais, God sais....

What do you think of other groups who follow the above?
All groups led by "prophets" are the same. The messed up mindset is easy to recognize in others - it's all groups.

A big leap, to see it's not them, it's me - it's my group.

God sais?? Really?? No - not God- just some crazy person saying it.
That isn't God. No one speaks for god.
That is a crazy dictator, insane person, fear mongering, oppressive slave owner. Not god.

Those who follow "prophets" are following a person, not God. Prophets are the worst leaders, oppress, kill, cause war, are power freaks. So sad that people bow down to "prophets" and enslave themselves to such evil.

A huge leap to think and act for yourself, to stop allowing some group to define you.

Bystanders. Enablers. Followers - just following orders? Most just follow, whatever they were born into, slaves following, dependents, puppets.

 

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It's a choice to live as a dependent, to be a slave to men, to avoid personal responsibility, to not think for oneself, to be a puppet, a slave to whom you claim is "prophet". It's the mindset that allows wars, atrocities, groupthink, tribalism, cults, and heirarchies to oppress.

It's a lot of work to be self-reliant, more difficult to research and think for yourself.

Easiest to just copy.
Easiest to just follow.
Easy to just bow head, stay in group, don't question, obey the dictator, obey the cult leader, obey the crazy power-hungry god-complex profit/prophet. Most people just copy.. sad.

God sais kill all who do not belong to our group.
God sais pay your tithes
God sais trust - only me - faith in me only, don't think, just follow, just have "faith" - if you don't follow me you are evil.
God sais don't read or listen to anything but me
God sais you are a sinner and are nothing without the prophet.
God sais you are worthless without your group.
God sais your marriage isn't real unless I perform the ceremony.
God sais you aren't saved unless our group performs the ordinances.
God sais, God sais....

What do you think of other groups who follow the above?
All groups led by "prophets" are the same. The messed up mindset is easy to recognize in others - it's all groups.

A big leap, to see it's not them, it's me - it's my group.

God sais?? Really?? No - not God- just some crazy person saying it.
That isn't God. No one speaks for god.
That is a crazy dictator, insane person, fear mongering, oppressive slave owner. Not god.

Those who follow "prophets" are following a person, not God. Prophets are the worst leaders, oppress, kill, cause war, are power freaks. So sad that people bow down to "prophets" and enslave themselves to such evil.

A huge leap to think and act for yourself, to stop allowing some group to define you.

Bystanders. Enablers. Followers - just following orders? Most just follow, whatever they were born into, slaves following, dependents, puppets.

To refute God sends Prophets you assume Prophets are false and reason why we should not follow Prophets from the viewpoint they are false. This is circular reasoning.

 

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To refute God sends Prophets you assume Prophets are false and reason why we should not follow Prophets from the viewpoint they are false. This is circular reasoning.

No need to refute your claims that God sends Prophets. We just don't believe you.

 

[loverofhumanity]

It's a choice to live as a dependent, to be a slave to men, to avoid personal responsibility, to not think for oneself, to be a puppet, a slave to whom you claim is "prophet". It's the mindset that allows wars, atrocities, groupthink, tribalism, cults, and heirarchies to oppress.

It's a lot of work to be self-reliant, more difficult to research and think for yourself.

Easiest to just copy.
Easiest to just follow.
Easy to just bow head, stay in group, don't question, obey the dictator, obey the cult leader, obey the crazy power-hungry god-complex profit/prophet. Most people just copy.. sad.

God sais kill all who do not belong to our group.
God sais pay your tithes
God sais trust - only me - faith in me only, don't think, just follow, just have "faith" - if you don't follow me you are evil.
God sais don't read or listen to anything but me
God sais you are a sinner and are nothing without the prophet.
God sais you are worthless without your group.
God sais your marriage isn't real unless I perform the ceremony.
God sais you aren't saved unless our group performs the ordinances.
God sais, God sais....

What do you think of other groups who follow the above?
All groups led by "prophets" are the same. The messed up mindset is easy to recognize in others - it's all groups.

A big leap, to see it's not them, it's me - it's my group.

God sais?? Really?? No - not God- just some crazy person saying it.
That isn't God. No one speaks for god.
That is a crazy dictator, insane person, fear mongering, oppressive slave owner. Not god.

Those who follow "prophets" are following a person, not God. Prophets are the worst leaders, oppress, kill, cause war, are power freaks. So sad that people bow down to "prophets" and enslave themselves to such evil.

A huge leap to think and act for yourself, to stop allowing some group to define you.

Bystanders. Enablers. Followers - just following orders? Most just follow, whatever they were born into, slaves following, dependents, puppets.

We are all dependent. Without your internet provider you cannot post on this forum. And you depend on the farmer for food, the supermarket to stock and sell products and money to buy things. God says through the Prophets to love not kill. So it is man following his own ways which leads to wars and violence.

 

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To refute God sends Prophets you assume Prophets are false and reason why we should not follow Prophets from the viewpoint they are false. This is circular reasoning.

Do you believe other religious groups to be false? Why don't you follow the Mormon prophet for example?

The same reasoning you use to rationalize not following Joseph Smith or his scriptures also works for your own prophet.

 

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We are all dependent. Without your internet provider you cannot post on this forum. And you depend on the farmer for food, the supermarket to stock and sell products and money to buy things. God says through the Prophets to love not kill. So it is man following his own ways which leads to wars and violence.

Not following my own ways, using responsible research practices - multiple references, student of many. Collaboration, listening to everyone, working together ends wars. Following a single group, a single leader without listening to anyone else causes wars.

Plagiarism - copy one person vs.
Research - read many diverse articles, consider many experiences, talk with diverse people, then add your own voice, your own experiences, always leaving room to change views, room to discover something new.

Put your own airmask on first - cannot help others until you are first able to think for yourself. Research + your own voice, not plagiarism, not dependent on a single group, or single leader.

No borrowed light.

 

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Do you believe other religious groups to be false? Why don't you follow the Mormon prophet for example?

The same reasoning you use to rationalize not following Joseph Smith or his scriptures also works for your own prophet.

This is also circular reasoning. You are assuming all Prophets are false to say all Prophets are false.

 

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This is also circular reasoning. You are assuming all Prophets are false to say all Prophets are false.

Why don't you believe the book of Mormon is scripture?

To believe you were able to choose the correct prophet is to believe you yourself are also a prophet. Are you personally all-knowing? Did God speak to you personally and audibly tell you who to follow? How can you be sure if you are not already speaking directly with God yourself?

If you already speak to God, why do you need a prophet?

 

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Why don't you believe the book of Mormon is scripture?

There are many reasons. Primarily for reasons I believe Quran is true.

 

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There are many reasons. Primarily for reasons I believe Quran is true.

Others believe the Book of Mormon is true.

The Mormons also believe God individually tells them it is true.

Did God actually tell you the Quran is true? Or do you believe because it was what you were born into? Do you think others are wrong simply because of what they were born into?

Why does God tell one prophet to write the Torah, another the Bible, another the Quran, another the Book of Mormon?

 

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Others believe the Book of Mormon is true.

The Mormons also believe God individually tells them it is true.

Did God actually tell you the Quran is true?

People believe in false Prophets for false reasons. I believe in Mohammad (s) for true reasons.

 

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People believe in false Prophets for false reasons. I believe in Mohammad (s) for true reasons.

How do you know you are "true"? Did God talk to you? Are you a prophet?

Has God blessed the Muslims with the longest life (no), with the most children (no), with the strongest military (no).... what proof?

 

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How do you know you are "true"? Did God talk to you? Are you a prophet?

I've made threads showing some of those reasons. I can link you to some of those threads.

But rationally God is capable of proving his religion through signs including a book that would be miraculous. If he could not do it through a book, he would do it constantly through physical miracles. But there are no physical miracles in public which leaves a different type of miracle, which is the Quran today. However, the Quran also emphasizes to seek physical signs/miracles from the guide of the time and so these work together.

 

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I've made threads showing some of those reasons. I can link you to some of those threads.

But rationally God is capable of proving his religion through signs including a book that would be miraculous. If he could not do it through a book, he would do it constantly through physical miracles. But there are no physical miracles in public which leaves a different type of miracle, which is the Quran today. However, the Quran also emphasizes to seek physical signs/miracles from the guide of the time and so these work together.

A miracle is just an event that I don't understand. My not understanding an event is not evidence for a god. It is only evidence that I don't understand.

 

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A miracle is just an event that I don't understand. My not understanding an event is not evidence for a god. It is only evidence that I don't understand.

A (physical) miracle is an event that shows that the person is from God and trusted with power directly from him.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Not following my own ways, using responsible research practices - multiple references, student of many. Collaboration, listening to everyone, working together ends wars. Following a single group, a single leader without listening to anyone else causes wars.

Plagiarism - copy one person vs.
Research - read many diverse articles, consider many experiences, talk with diverse people, then add your own voice, your own experiences, always leaving room to change views, room to discover something new.

Put your own airmask on first - cannot help others until you are first able to think for yourself. Research + your own voice, not plagiarism, not dependent on a single group, or single leader.

No borrowed light.

Definitely we should be open minded and research without bias or prejudice. If something works or is a solution we should accept it and if it does not we should reject the same.

 

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A (physical) miracle is an event that shows that the person is from God and trusted with power directly from him.

What event would demonstrate to me that there is a god merely by my seeing it occur?

 

[loverofhumanity]

What event would demonstrate to me that there is a god merely by my seeing it occur?

Everyone has their own measurement on what would constitute for them that God exists. What do you think would be something that could convince you God exists.

 

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Everyone has their own measurement on what would constitute for them that God exists. What do you think would be something that could convince you God exists.

Oops. That response was supposed to be to @Link, but I will still answer you.
I don't know.