The radical regressive left is ruining the democrats

[Twilight Hue]

Lol, there's nothing "radical" about AOC. She's hardly far left. You must be a right wing extremist if center leftism is too much for you. The right uses identity politics all the time and I don't see you whining about it.

You got to be kidding. AOC is more left leaning than a NASCAR driver at Bristol.

 

[serp777]

Is this in the joke thread?

Why do you link 'radical' with 'regressive'? You are skewing the question, most of AOC's supporters would say she is radical (agreed) and PROGRESSIVE.

Because the regressive left is pretty radical. Have you seen antifa? have you looked at the green new deal and how insane it is? Its absolutely radical.

 

[serp777]

LOL -- the Democrats have never been as regimented as the right. We think for ourselves and challenge authority.

There are no "super far left" Democrats. You've been watching too much Fox news. The division has largely been stirred up by the GOP.

When were these "center left" days? Both parties have been moving steadily to the right for some time now. Much of Nixon and Reagan's politics would be considered far left today.
Our tunnel vision is focused on human rights, fairness, equality and prosperity. It's this tunnel vision that freed the slaves, gave women the vote, ended child labor and racial segregation, built our highway system and infrastructure, gave us the eight hour day, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Public education, AFDC, clean air, water, food, drugs, &c.
Need I remind you that both moderates and conservatives fought all these "far left, socialist" policies tooth and nail? They're doing the same today.
But these are exactly the issues we are focusing on! -- perhaps minus the nuclear option. It's the Republicans who seek to maintain the status quo and overturn popular social programs, its they who spend like drunken sailors and run up deficits.
The '80s and '90s saw increasing debt, stagnant wages and increasing income inequality. It was a trickle up economy.
Maybe we need to revisit the policies that curbed the rapacious banks and industrialists that led to the Great Depression; the policies that produced America's golden age of growth and prosperity.
Oh, wait -- that would be the "super far left"...
Please clarify what policies you have issue with. I'm not seeing a regressive left. I'm seeing a resurgence of Roosevelt's politics; the policies that Made America Great.

There are no "super far left" Democrats. You've been watching too much Fox news. The division has largely been stirred up by the GOP.

Yes there absolutely are. Do you know who Alexandria Ocasio Cortez is? We have a growing number of communists and socialists on the left. i consider them super far left. You can also look at antifa. Also i don't even have cable but whether or not I watch fox news is an irrelevant red herring. Also what evidence do you have that the GOP stirred up the division?

When were these "center left" days? Both parties have been moving steadily to the right for some time now. Much of Nixon and Reagan's politics would be considered far left today.

Studies show this is not the case.

America’s political divisions in 5 charts

This article shows the increase in polarization and that a lot more democrats are becoming far left as time passes.

Our tunnel vision is focused on human rights, fairness, equality and prosperity. It's this tunnel vision that freed the slaves, gave women the vote, ended child labor and racial segregation, built our highway system and infrastructure, gave us the eight hour day, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Public education, AFDC, clean air, water, food, drugs, &c.
Need I remind you that both moderates and conservatives fought all these "far left, socialist" policies tooth and nail? They're doing the same today.

Totally irrelevant. Democrats did good stuff in the past, but that doesn't mean they're doing good things now. That's a historical fallacy. What matters is what they're doing currently. The democrats are wasting time worrying about identitarian politics. They've become obsessed with race, gender, sexuality, etc.

But these are exactly the issues we are focusing on! -- perhaps minus the nuclear option. It's the Republicans who seek to maintain the status quo and overturn popular social programs, its they who spend like drunken sailors and run up deficits.[./QUOTE]

But i don't see democrats focusing on these issues. Do you have any examples of democrat legislation that attempted to address these issues. The green new deal doesn't count because of how insane it was and none of the democrats actually voted for it.

The '80s and '90s saw increasing debt, stagnant wages and increasing income inequality. It was a trickle up economy.

I'm sorry but I really don't think you have a clue what the current state of our economy is. Income equality has dropped hugely into the 21st century. Things were much better in the 80s and 90s relatively speaking. I mean california for example is a complete disaster right now--housing prices are insane and there are huge amounts of poverty.

https://www.ppic.org/publication/poverty-in-california/

USA – WID – World Inequality Database

US government debt and household debts are at basically all time highs

United States Government Debt | 2019 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast

Pensions cannot afford to pay retirees.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

I know certain aspects are better today than they were in the 80s and 90s, but many things have also gotten significantly worse despite improvements in technology and inflation. Its funny that the hard red states like Texas are doing the best while the hard blue states like California are doing the worst. Furthermore the bluest cities like Portland, Seattle, and San Francisco have some of the worst poverty and income inequality in the nation. Democrats have done a terrible job and are doing a terrible job right now.

 

[serp777]

Could you please define what you mean by "radical regressive left"? You cite Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, what, specifically, has she done or said that you think is radical or regressive?

The green new deal. The obsession with race, gender, sexuality, etc. I can find you many examples of here blatant identitarianism, particularly in the green new deal. She is a complete train wreck and the worst thing to happen to the democrats since Bill Clinton's well known issues.

 

[Altfish]

Because the regressive left is pretty radical. Have you seen antifa? have you looked at the green new deal and how insane it is? Its absolutely radical.

Antifa is not AOC, I'm left wing and I have no time for Antifa.

The Green New Deal is not radical, many if not most of its provisions are already enacted in the progressive countries in Europe. It is called catching up.
The jobs that follow are many, I'm involved in wind farm provision schemes, we are putting in car charging points on other schemes.

Unfortunately the US is that far behind on green issues it believes that the first steps are radical.

 

[Jumi]

Because the regressive left is pretty radical. Have you seen antifa? have you looked at the green new deal and how insane it is? Its absolutely radical.

That is quite a weird opinion or logic. Are you sure your information is valid or did you use very bad sources?

 

[Valjean]

Some people see the sky falling with practically every new, progressive social program.
The Facts on the 'Green New Deal' - FactCheck.org

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

The green new deal. The obsession with race, gender, sexuality, etc. I can find you many examples of here blatant identitarianism, particularly in the green new deal. She is a complete train wreck and the worst thing to happen to the democrats since Bill Clinton's well known issues.

Then please. Cite some specific examples.

 

[Shiranui117]

Antifa is not AOC, I'm left wing and I have no time for Antifa.

The Green New Deal is not radical, many if not most of its provisions are already enacted in the progressive countries in Europe. It is called catching up.
The jobs that follow are many, I'm involved in wind farm provision schemes, we are putting in car charging points on other schemes.

Unfortunately the US is that far behind on green issues it believes that the first steps are radical.

If the Green New Deal is so middle-of-the-road (which, trying to rebuild every city in America in 10 years certainly is), then why would the AFL-CIO come out against it? https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.24fffb89a0af

According to theThe Green New Deal proposes the elimination of flight and all fossil fuel usage within 10 years. You can't honestly tell me that that's somehow "catching up" to everyone else?

Don't get me wrong, I'm actually all for a green new deal. But what AOC's put out is not the Green New Deal that anybody wants or that America needs. It's a bunch of socialist, identitarian leftist policy which mostly has nothing to do with environmental protections or a transition to a green economy. Health care and racial reparations have nothing to do with the environment. Income inequality has nothing to do with the environment. Giving free money to people unable or unwilling to work has nothing to do with the environment. Banning all fossil fuels within 10 years just does not give us enough time to develop a green energy infrastructure to replace it, especially if nuclear energy is off the table (which is a foolhardy idea because nuclear energy is literally the best green alternative we have right now).

You can just read the FAQ put out on AOC's official Congressional website. They removed it shortly thereafter because they realized how completely stupid it sounds, but not before enough people sat up and took notice. https://www.heartland.org/_template-assets/documents/Green-New-Deal-FAQ-Fact-Sheet-Feb-7-2019.pdf

 

[Shiranui117]

Then please. Cite some specific examples.

The very idea of "white privilege" is identitarian. Back before Occupy Wall Street, we could all agree that there was definitely "rich privilege". It doesn't matter what your race is--if you're poor, you're far more likely to have underfunded schools with teachers who don't care, you're far more likely to have police illegally break into your house and point guns in your face or otherwise be mistreated by them, you're far less likely to successfully complete a college education if that's what you want to do, and you're far more likely to get a harsher prison sentence for similar crimes.

If whites are so privileged, then why are Elizabeth Warren and Beto O'Rourke trying to play down their whiteness? Warren claimed for years that she was Native American, and Robert O'Rourke goes by "Beto" to sound less white. The Democrats are keeping tabs on all their presidential candidates' races, genders and sexualities, and there are serious talks about whether a straight, white man can or should win the Democratic nomination this year. Your campaign strategy should not revolve around the color of your skin, or your genitals, or the people you're sexually attracted to. It shouldn't even be a factor.

 

[Altfish]

If the Green New Deal is so middle-of-the-road (which, trying to rebuild every city in America in 10 years certainly is), then why would the AFL-CIO come out against it? https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.24fffb89a0af

According to theThe Green New Deal proposes the elimination of flight and all fossil fuel usage within 10 years. You can't honestly tell me that that's somehow "catching up" to everyone else?

Don't get me wrong, I'm actually all for a green new deal. But what AOC's put out is not the Green New Deal that anybody wants or that America needs. It's a bunch of socialist, identitarian leftist policy which mostly has nothing to do with environmental protections or a transition to a green economy. Health care and racial reparations have nothing to do with the environment. Income inequality has nothing to do with the environment. Giving free money to people unable or unwilling to work has nothing to do with the environment. Banning all fossil fuels within 10 years just does not give us enough time to develop a green energy infrastructure to replace it, especially if nuclear energy is off the table (which is a foolhardy idea because nuclear energy is literally the best green alternative we have right now).

You can just read the FAQ put out on AOC's official Congressional website. They removed it shortly thereafter because they realized how completely stupid it sounds, but not before enough people sat up and took notice. https://www.heartland.org/_template-assets/documents/Green-New-Deal-FAQ-Fact-Sheet-Feb-7-2019.pdf

Firstly, I will say that with all environmental targets, you set high then even the stragglers might score half-way.
Internal flights could certainly be eliminated, high speed rail and the likes is much more pleasant and greener.
In the UK we used to have lots of coal fire power stations, trains with wagon loads of coal trundling round the country; they are almost all gone. We are managing fine.
In the US you are driven by 'Dark Money' funding politics - it will buy politicians and you will go backwards. The rest of the world wants a future for its children.
Even the likes of China are investing massively in solar power and high speed rail.
The future is green - the US will realise too late.

 

[Woberts]

Same.

So are the republicans the ones advocating for the rights of the minority now?

 

[BSM1]

So are the republicans the ones advocating for the rights of the minority now?

Is there any question? Look at the lowest unemployment rate for minorities in history we are now seeing as opposed to the Dems wanting to keep minorities in ghettos by paying them for not working.

 

[Woberts]

Is there any question? Look at the lowest unemployment rate for minorities in history we are now seeing as opposed to the Dems wanting to keep minorities in ghettos by paying them for not working.

And here's the problem. You have no idea what equality is, if you think republicans want it.

 

[BSM1]

And here's the problem. You have no idea what equality is, if you think republicans want it.

Maybe that shoe fits your foot...

 

[Woberts]

Maybe that shoe fits your foot...

And here's your customary "I give up" remark.

 

[Shiranui117]

And here's the problem. You have no idea what equality is, if you think republicans want it.

Real equality would be helping all poor people, not giving extra help to some poor people over others because of their skin color. A poor white man and a poor black man both have issues due to not having any money.

 

[Woberts]

Real equality would be helping all poor people, not giving extra help to some poor people over others because of their skin color. A poor white man and a poor black man both have issues due to not having any money.

Incorrect. This implies that the poor black man and the poor white man are equal in the class system. As they're not, administering equal aid would keep the dynamics the same.

 

[BSM1]

Incorrect. This implies that the poor black man and the poor white man are equal in the class system. As they're not, administering equal aid would keep the dynamics the same.

Once again the "plantation mentality" of the liberal left raises it's ugly head. Let's tell the Black Man that there is no way he can be equal in a white society, but we will always be there to protect you and makes sure you never have to try. This has been the mantra of the Democrats since Johnson's 'Great Society' ploy in the 60's.

 

[Shiranui117]

Incorrect. This implies that the poor black man and the poor white man are equal in the class system. As they're not, administering equal aid would keep the dynamics the same.

But what is the source of this inequality? Do blacks and minorities live in areas with underfunded and poorly-managed schools? Then invest in revitalization of urban schools. Do they have drug problems? Offer rehab services and opportunities for community service and career development. Is there a gang violence problem? Offer mentorship programs for young, fatherless boys (or boys with abusive fathers) and give them positive male role models they can talk to. Is it hard to start a business? Streamline the process and help entrepeneurs to bring life back to the community.

Economic inequality among various ethnicities in the 21st century isn't a problem, it's a large symptom of many other problems all coming together. If you treat it as just a race problem, you're ignoring the far more pressing root causes that affect everyone, regardless of ethnicity.