The real cause of Islamic terrorism-- the yogic perspective

[neves]

Quran Sura An-Nisa (Chapter 4) (note: not the whole Sura just 10 verses before and after the relative verses)


“But nay, by thy Lord, they will not believe (in truth) until they make thee judge of what is in dispute between them and find within themselves no dislike of that which thou decidest, and submit with full submission. (65) And if We had decreed for them: Lay down your lives or go forth from your dwellings, but few of them would have done it; though if they did what they are exhorted to do it would be better for them, and more strengthening; (66) And then We should bestow upon them from Our presence an immense reward, (67) And should guide them unto a straight path. (68) Whoso obeyeth Allah and the messenger, they are with those unto whom Allah hath shown favour, of the prophets and the saints and the martyrs and the righteous. The best of company are they! (69) That is bounty from Allah, and Allah sufficeth as Knower. (70) O ye who believe! Take your precautions, then advance the proven ones, or advance all together. (71) Lo! among you there is he who loitereth; and if disaster overtook you, he would say: Allah hath been gracious unto me since I was not present with them. (72) And if a bounty from Allah befell you, he would surely cry, as if there had been no love between you and him: Oh, would that I had been with them, then should I have achieved a great success! (73) Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward. (74) How should ye not fight for the cause of Allah and of the feeble among men and of the women and the children who are crying: Our Lord! Bring us forth from out this town of which the people are oppressors! Oh, give us from thy presence some protecting friend! Oh, give us from Thy presence some defender! (75) Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil. Lo! the devil's strategy is ever weak. (76) Hast thou not seen those unto whom it was said: Withhold your hands, establish worship and pay the poordue, but when fighting was prescribed for them behold! a party of them fear mankind even as their fear of Allah or with greater fear, and say: Our Lord! Why hast Thou ordained fighting for us? If only Thou wouldst give us respite yet a while! Say (unto them, O Muhammad): The comfort of this world is scant; the Hereafter will be better for him who wardeth off (evil); and ye will not be wronged the down upon a date-stone. (77) Wheresoever ye may be, death will overtake you, even though ye were in lofty towers. Yet if a happy thing befalleth them they say: This is from Allah; and if an evil thing befalleth them they say: This is of thy doing (O Muhammad). Say (unto them): All is from Allah. What is amiss with these people that they come not nigh to understand a happening? (78) Whatever of good befalleth thee (O man) it is from Allah, and whatever of ill befalleth thee it is from thyself. We have sent thee (Muhammad) as a messenger unto mankind and Allah is sufficient as Witness. (79) Whoso obeyeth the messenger hath obeyed Allah, and whoso turneth away: We have not sent thee as a warder over them. (80) And they say: (It is) obedience; but when they have gone forth from thee a party of them spend the night in planning other than what thou sayest. Allah recordeth what they plan by night. So oppose them and put thy trust in Allah. Allah is sufficient as Trustee. (81) Will they not then ponder on the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity. (82) And if any tidings, whether of safety or fear, come unto them, they noise it abroad, whereas if they had referred it to the messenger and to such of them as are in authority, those among them who are able to think out the matter would have known it. If it had not been for the grace of Allah upon you and His mercy ye would have followed Satan, save a few (of you). (83) So fight (O Muhammad) in the way of Allah Thou art not taxed (with the responsibility for anyone) except for thyself - and urge on the believers. Peradventure Allah will restrain the might of those who disbelieve. Allah is stronger in might and stronger in inflicting punishment. (84) Whoso interveneth in a good cause will have the reward thereof, and whoso interveneth in an evil cause will bear the consequence thereof. Allah overseeth all things. (85)”


Quran Al-Mumtahina (Chapter 60)
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[FONT=&quot]“In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. O ye who believe! Choose not My enemy and your enemy for friends. Do ye give them friendship when they disbelieve in that truth which hath come unto you, driving out the messenger and you because ye believe in Allah, your Lord? If ye have come forth to strive in My way and seeking My good pleasure, (show them not friendship). Do ye show friendship unto them in secret, when I am best aware of what ye hide and what ye proclaim? And whosoever doeth it among you, he verily hath strayed from the right way. (1) If they have the upper hand of you, they will be your foes, and will stretch out their hands and their tongues toward you with evil (intent), and they long for you to disbelieve. (2) Your ties of kindred and your children will avail you naught upon the Day of Resurrection. He will part you. Allah is Seer of what ye do. (3) There is a goodly pattern for you in Abraham and those with him, when they told their folk: Lo! we are guiltless of you and all that ye worship beside Allah. We have done with you. And there hath arisen between us and you hostility and hate for ever until ye believe in Allah only - save that which Abraham promised his father (when he said): I will ask forgiveness for thee, though I own nothing for thee from Allah - Our Lord! In Thee we put our trust, and unto Thee we turn repentant, and unto Thee is the journeying. (4) Our Lord! Make us not a prey for those who disbelieve, and forgive us, our Lord! Lo! Thou, only Thou, are the Mighty, the Wise. (5) Verily ye have in them a goodly pattern for everyone who looketh to Allah and the Last Day. And whosoever may turn away, lo! still Allah, He is the Absolute, the Owner of Praise. (6) It may be that Allah will ordain love between you and those of them with whom ye are at enmity. Allah is Mighty, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (7) Allah forbiddeth you not those who warred not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your homes, that ye should show them kindness and deal justly with them. Lo! Allah loveth the just dealers. (8) Allah forbiddeth you only those who warred against you on account of religion and have driven you out from your homes and helped to drive you out, that ye make friends of them. Whosoever maketh friends of them - (All) such are wrong-doers. (9) O ye who believe! When believing women come unto you as fugitives, examine them. Allah is best aware of their faith. Then, if ye know them for true believers, send them not back unto the disbelievers. They are not lawful for them (the disbelievers), nor are they the disbelievers lawful for them. And give them the disbelievers that which they have spent (upon them). And it is no sin for you to marry such women when ye have given them their dues. And hold not to the ties of disbelieving women; and ask for (the return of) that which ye have spent; and let the the disbelievers ask for that which they have spent. That is the judgment of Allah. He judgeth between you. Allah is Knower, Wise. (10) And if any of your wives have gone from you unto the disbelievers and afterward ye have your turn (of triumph), then give unto those whose wives have gone the like of that which they have spent, and keep your duty to Allah in Whom ye are believers. (11) O Prophet! If believing women come unto thee, taking oath of allegiance unto thee that they will ascribe nothing as partner unto Allah, and will neither steal nor commit adultery nor kill their children, nor produce any lie that they have devised between their hands and feet, nor disobey thee in what is right, then accept their allegiance and ask Allah to forgive them. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (12) O ye who believe! Be not friendly with a folk with whom Allah is wroth, (a folk) who have despaired of the Hereafter as the disbelievers despair of those who are in the graves. (13)” [/FONT]

 

[neves]

[FONT=&quot]Does a Muslim annihilate their enemies…? Again see for yourself…[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Quran Al-Baqara (Chapter 2) [/FONT](note: not the whole Sura just 10 verses before and after the relative verses)
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[FONT=&quot]“It is prescribed for you, when death approacheth one of you, if he leave wealth, that he bequeath unto parents and near relatives in kindness. (This is) a duty for all those who ward off (evil). (180) And whoso changeth (the will) after he hath heard it - the sin thereof is only upon those who change it. Lo! Allah is Hearer, Knower. (181) But he who feareth from a testator some unjust or sinful clause, and maketh peace between the parties, (it shall be) no sin for him. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (182) O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed for you, even as it was prescribed for those before you, that ye may ward off (evil); (183) (Fast) a certain number of days; and (for) him who is sick among you, or on a journey, (the same) number of other days; and for those who can afford it there is a ransom: the feeding of a man in need - but whoso doeth good of his own accord, it is better for him: and that ye fast is better for you if ye did but know - (184) The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for mankind, and clear proofs of the guidance, and the Criterion (of right and wrong). And whosoever of you is present, let him fast the month, and whosoever of you is sick or on a journey, (let him fast the same) number of other days. Allah desireth for you ease; He desireth not hardship for you; and (He desireth) that ye should complete the period, and that ye should magnify Allah for having guided you, and that peradventure ye may be thankful. (185) And when My servants question thee concerning Me, then surely I am nigh. I answer the prayer of the suppliant when he crieth unto Me. So let them hear My call and let them trust in Me, in order that they may be led aright. (186) It is made lawful for you to go unto your wives on the night of the fast. They are raiment for you and ye are raiment for them. Allah is Aware that ye were deceiving yourselves in this respect and He hath turned in mercy toward you and relieved you. So hold intercourse with them and seek that which Allah hath ordained for you, and eat and drink until the white thread becometh distinct to you from the black thread of the dawn. Then strictly observe the fast till nightfall and touch them not, but be at your devotions in the mosques. These are the limits imposed by Allah, so approach them not. Thus Allah expoundeth His revelation to mankind that they may ward off (evil). (187) And eat not up your property among yourselves in vanity, nor seek by it to gain the hearing of the judges that ye may knowingly devour a portion of the property of others wrongfully. (188) They ask thee, (O Muhammad), of new moons, say: They are fixed seasons for mankind and for the pilgrimage. It is not righteousness that ye go to houses by the backs thereof (as do the idolaters at certain seasons), but the righteous man is he who wardeth off (evil). So go to houses by the gates thereof, and observe your duty to Allah, that ye may be successful. (189) Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. (190) And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (191) But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (192) And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers. (193) The forbidden month for the forbidden month, and forbidden things in retaliation. And one who attacketh you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you. Observe your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is with those who ward off (evil). (194) Spend your wealth for the cause of Allah, and be not cast by your own hands to ruin; and do good. Lo! Allah loveth the beneficent. (195) Perform the pilgrimage and the visit (to Mecca) for Allah. And if ye are prevented, then send such gifts as can be obtained with ease, and shave not your heads until the gifts have reached their destination. And whoever among you is sick or hath an ailment of the head must pay a ransom of fasting or almsgiving or offering. And if ye are in safety, then whosoever contenteth himself with the visit for the pilgrimage (shall give) such gifts as can be had with ease. And whosoever cannot find (such gifts), then a fast of three days while on the pilgrimage, and of seven when ye have returned; that is, ten in all. That is for him whoso folk are not present at the Inviolable Place of Worship. Observe your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is severe in punishment. (196) The pilgrimage is (in) the well-known months, and whoever is minded to perform the pilgrimage therein (let him remember that) there is (to be) no lewdness nor abuse nor angry conversation on the pilgrimage. And whatsoever good ye do Allah knoweth it. So make provision for yourselves (Hereafter); for the best provision is to ward off evil. Therefore keep your duty unto Me, O men of understanding. (197) It is no sin for you that ye seek the bounty of your Lord (by trading). But, when ye press on in the multitude from 'Arafat, remember Allah by the sacred monument. Remember Him as He hath guided you, although before ye were of those astray. (198) Then hasten onward from the place whence the multitude hasteneth onward, and ask forgiveness of Allah. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (199) And when ye have completed your devotions, then remember Allah as ye remember your fathers or with a more lively remembrance. But of mankind is he who saith: "Our Lord! Give unto us in the world," and he hath no portion in the Hereafter. (200) And of them (also) is he who saith: "Our Lord! Give unto us in the world that which is good and in the Hereafter that which is good, and guard us from the doom of Fire." (201) For them there is in store a goodly portion out of that which they have earned. Allah is swift at reckoning. (202) Remember Allah through the appointed days. Then whoso hasteneth (his departure) by two days, it is no sin for him, and whoso delayeth, it is no sin for him; that is for him who wardeth off (evil). Be careful of your duty to Allah, and know that unto Him ye will be gathered. (203)”[/FONT]

 

[neves]

[FONT=&quot]Quran Al-Anfal (Chapter 8) [/FONT](note: not the whole Sura just 10 verses before and after the relative verses)

“This is for that which your own hands have sent before (to the Judgment), and (know) that Allah is not a tyrant to His slaves. (51) (Their way is) as the way of Pharaoh's folk and those before them; they disbelieved the revelations of Allah, and Allah took them in their sins. Lo! Allah is Strong, severe in punishment. (52) That is because Allah never changeth the grace He hath bestowed on any people until they first change that which is in their hearts, and (that is) because Allah is Hearer, Knower. (53) (Their way is) as the way of Pharaoh's folk and those before them; they denied the revelations of their Lord, so We destroyed them in their sins. And We drowned the folk of Pharaoh. All were evil-doers. (54) Lo! the worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the ungrateful who will not believe. (55) Those of them with whom thou madest a treaty, and then at every opportunity they break their treaty, and they keep not duty (to Allah). (56) If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember. (57) And if thou fearest treachery from any folk, then throw back to them (their treaty) fairly. Lo! Allah loveth not the treacherous. (58) And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. (59) Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them. Whatsoever ye spend in the way of Allah it will be repaid to you in full, and ye will not be wronged. (60) And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it, and trust in Allah. Lo! He, is the Hearer, the Knower. (61) And if they would deceive thee, then lo! Allah is Sufficient for thee. He it is Who supporteth thee with His help and with the believers, (62) And (as for the believers) hath attuned their hearts. If thou hadst spent all that is in the earth thou couldst not have attuned their hearts, but Allah hath attuned them. Lo! He is Mighty, Wise. (63) O Prophet! Allah is Sufficient for thee and those who follow thee of the believers. (64) O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred steadfast they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence. (65) Now hath Allah lightened your burden, for He knoweth that there is weakness in you. So if there be of you a steadfast hundred they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a thousand (steadfast) they shall overcome two thousand by permission of Allah. Allah is with the steadfast. (66) It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise. (67) Had it not been for an ordinance of Allah which had gone before, an awful doom had come upon you on account of what ye took. (68) Now enjoy what ye have won, as lawful and good, and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (69) O Prophet! Say unto those captives who are in your hands: If Allah knoweth any good in your hearts He will give you better than that which hath been taken from you, and will forgive you. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (70) And if they would betray thee, they betrayed Allah before, and He gave (thee) power over them. Allah is Knower, Wise. (71) Lo! those who believed and left their homes and strove with their wealth and their lives for the cause of Allah, and those who took them in and helped them: these are protecting friends one of another. And those who believed but did not leave their homes, ye have no duty to protect them till they leave their homes; but if they seek help from you in the matter of religion then it is your duty to help (them) except against a folk between whom and you there is a treaty. Allah is Seer of what ye do. (72) And those who disbelieve are protectors one of another - If ye do not so, there will be confusion in the land, and great corruption. (73) Those who believed and left their homes and strove for the cause of Allah, and those who took them in and helped them - these are the believers in truth. For them is pardon, and bountiful provision. (74) And those who afterwards believed and left their homes and strove along with you, they are of you; and those who are akin are nearer one to another in the ordinance of Allah. Lo! Allah is Knower of all things. (75)”

 

[neves]

Quran An-Nisa (Chapter 4) (note: not the whole Sura just 10 verses before and after the realitive verses)

“Whoso obeyeth the messenger hath obeyed Allah, and whoso turneth away: We have not sent thee as a warder over them. (80) And they say: (It is) obedience; but when they have gone forth from thee a party of them spend the night in planning other than what thou sayest. Allah recordeth what they plan by night. So oppose them and put thy trust in Allah. Allah is sufficient as Trustee. (81) Will they not then ponder on the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity. (82) And if any tidings, whether of safety or fear, come unto them, they noise it abroad, whereas if they had referred it to the messenger and to such of them as are in authority, those among them who are able to think out the matter would have known it. If it had not been for the grace of Allah upon you and His mercy ye would have followed Satan, save a few (of you). (83) So fight (O Muhammad) in the way of Allah Thou art not taxed (with the responsibility for anyone) except for thyself - and urge on the believers. Peradventure Allah will restrain the might of those who disbelieve. Allah is stronger in might and stronger in inflicting punishment. (84) Whoso interveneth in a good cause will have the reward thereof, and whoso interveneth in an evil cause will bear the consequence thereof. Allah overseeth all things. (85) When ye are greeted with a greeting, greet ye with a better than it or return it. Lo! Allah taketh count of all things. (86) Allah! There is no God save Him. He gathereth you all unto a Day of Resurrection whereof there is no doubt. Who is more true in statement than Allah? (87) What aileth you that ye are become two parties regarding the hypocrites, when Allah cast them back (to disbelief) because of what they earned? Seek ye to guide him whom Allah hath sent astray? He whom Allah sendeth astray, for him thou (O MUhammad) canst not find a road. (88) They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them, (89) Except those who seek refuge with a people between whom and you there is a covenant, or (those who) come unto you because their hearts forbid them to make war on you or make war on their own folk. Had Allah willed He could have given them power over you so that assuredly they would have fought you. So, if they hold aloof from you and wage not war against you and offer you peace, Allah alloweth you no way against them. (90) Ye will find others who desire that they should have security from you, and security from their own folk. So often as they are returned to hostility they are plunged therein. If they keep not aloof from you nor offer you peace nor hold their hands, then take them and kill them wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you clear warrant. (91) It is not for a believer to kill a believer unless (it be) by mistake. He who hath killed a believer by mistake must set free a believing slave, and pay the blood-money to the family of the slain, unless they remit it as a charity. If he (the victim) be of a people hostile unto you, and he is a believer, then (the penance is) to set free a believing slave. And if he cometh of a folk between whom and you there is a covenant, then the blood-money must be paid unto his folk and (also) a believing slave must be set free. And whoso hath not the wherewithal must fast two consecutive months. A penance from Allah. Allah is Knower, Wise. (92) Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is Hell for ever. Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepared for him an awful doom. (93) O ye who believe! When ye go forth (to fight) in the way of Allah, be careful to discriminate, and say not unto one who offereth you peace: "Thou art not a believer," seeking the chance profits of this life (so that ye may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils. Even thus (as he now is) were ye before; but Allah hath since then been gracious unto you. Therefore take care to discriminate. Allah is ever Informed of what ye do. (94) Those of the believers who sit still, other than those who have a (disabling) hurt, are not on an equality with those who strive in the way of Allah with their wealth and lives. Allah hath conferred on those who strive with their wealth and lives a rank above the sedentary. Unto each Allah hath promised good, but He hath bestowed on those who strive a great reward above the sedentary; (95) Degrees of rank from Him, and forgiveness and mercy. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful. (96) Lo! as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they wrong themselves, (the angels) will ask: In what were ye engaged? They will say: We were oppressed in the land. (The angels) will say: Was not Allah's earth spacious that ye could have migrated therein? As for such, their habitation will be hell, an evil journey's end; (97) Except the feeble among men, and the women, and the children, who are unable to devise a plan and are not shown a way. (98) As for such, it may be that Allah will pardon them. Allah is ever Clement, Forgiving. (99) Whoso migrateth for the cause of Allah will find much refuge and abundance in the earth, and whoso forsaketh his home, a fugitive unto Allah and His messenger, and death overtaketh him, his reward is then incumbent on Allah. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful. (100) And when ye go forth in the land, it is no sin for you to curtail (your) worship if ye fear that those who disbelieve may attack you. In truth the disbelievers are an open enemy to you. (101) And when thou (O Muhammad) art among them and arrangest (their) worship for them, let only a party of them stand with thee (to worship) and let them take their arms. Then when they have performed their prostrations let them fall to the rear and let another party come that hath not worshipped and let them worship with thee, and let them take their precaution and their arms. Those who disbelieve long for you to neglect your arms and your baggage that they may attack you once for all. It is no sin for you to lay aside your arms, if rain impedeth you or ye are sick. But take your precaution. Lo! Allah prepareth for the disbelievers shameful punishment. (102) When ye have performed the act of worship, remember Allah, standing, sitting and reclining. And when ye are in safety, observe proper worship. Worship at fixed times hath been enjoined on the believers. (103) Relent not in pursuit of the enemy. If ye are suffering, lo! they suffer even as ye suffer and ye hope from Allah that for which they cannot hope. Allah is ever Knower, Wise. (104)”

It’s as clear as glass to me… If you look you will find… but you have to look for yourself before you bring out the paint brush to paint everything one color… [FONT=&quot][/FONT]

 

[!Fluffy!]

Dear niranjan, i think i'm asking this question for the third time and you are ignoring it. I'm interested to know your religion, will you tell me about it please?


Thanks in advance.

This constant harrasment has nothing to do with the topics under debate and really makes me wonder why the determination to find out. The only possible reason I can figure is because someone is getting their *** kicked and wants to throw mud in retribution, but doesn't know where to aim.

Niranjan, don't answer if you don't want to, it's nobody's business and not relevant.

It’s as clear as glass to me…

sorry, but those five or six endlessly long, boring and unreadable back to back posts does not equal "clear as glass".

the only thing that's clear as glass is that the op is making a lot of sense, and niranjan's persistence in presentation of the facts is admirable.

 

[!Fluffy!]

I think your taking a very biased approach on he matter. Please go search what these "terrorists" ask and tell me if you find anything wrong with what they want

who gives a hang what terrorists want. it's their loathsome and cowardly acts that the world condemns.

 

[fullyveiled muslimah]

the only thing that's clear as glass is that the op is making a lot of sense, and niranjan's persistence in presentation of the facts is admirable.

I didn't know it was admirable to mudsling and paint all muslims as rapists, criminals, terrorists and murderers. Which is whats happening. Niranjan still has not created a point of debate in all his rantings. He has accused all muslims as criminals which I find absurd and offensive since I am muslim and not a criminal. He could have presented the same material and not been offensive simply by differentiating between Islam, muslims, and criminals calling themselves muslims. Instead of presenting his material and then engaging in a reasonable debate/discussion of the issues, he blatantly charges all muslims with the same charge worldwide. Also it isn't taken into account that just because we are muslim we don't all know each other, and cannot answer for the actiions of people thousands of miles away from us on another continent. No other religions adherents are asked to answer for the actions of all the other adherents like muslims are. Christians aren't harassed constantly about the actions of other people calling themselves christian, and no other religion is placed under the microscope like that. We could have a better discussion with niranjan if his utter prejudice and hatred for all things Islam wasn't pouring out of every post.

Furthermore he accusses all muslims of these atrocities then states that Islam itself teaches it. Never once citing anything from Islam's religious sources to back it up. It takes no great skill and courage to cut and paste. It does however take reaserch to back a claim. If Islam is to blame for the world's atrocities since the 7th century, then he should have no problem citing the relevant verses of Quran, hadith, and all of that along with tafsir (explanation). After all if his claim is true, then our supposed barbarism should show throughout all our religious texts.

So if cutting and pasting atrocities done, making claims you can't back, and painting all people with one broad bigotted brush is admirable to you then that let's me know where you coming from.

 

[TashaN]

This constant harrasment has nothing to do with the topics under debate and really makes me wonder why the determination to find out.

I just wanted to know in case we have things in common between my religion and his religion and i don't understand why is that bothering you, and i never directed that question at you, and you just jumped out of no where to be his lawyer or maybe because you and him/her have alot of things in common, lol if you know what i mean.

The only possible reason I can figure is because someone is getting their *** kicked

That's what i'm talking about.

everybody can see that this post of you speak volumes.

 

[!Fluffy!]

I didn't know it was admirable to mudsling and paint all muslims as rapists, criminals, terrorists and murderers.

WHAT?????? That accusation is so far from the truth as to be ludicrous. If you want to slander and put words in someone's mouth a public forum with all the posts available to anyone who wants to read them isn't the place to do it. TRY AGAIN.

Which is whats happening. Niranjan still has not created a point of debate in all his rantings.

He most certainly did, from his initial post on, your inability to rebut effectively notwithstanding.

He has accused all muslims as criminals which I find absurd and offensive since I am muslim and not a criminal.

Your accusations are over the top absurd and baseless.

He could have presented the same material and not been offensive simply by differentiating between Islam, muslims, and criminals calling themselves muslims. Instead of presenting his material and then engaging in a reasonable debate/discussion of the issues, he blatantly charges all muslims with the same charge worldwide. Also it isn't taken into account that just because we are muslim we don't all know each other, and cannot answer for the actiions of people thousands of miles away from us on another continent. No other religions adherents are asked to answer for the actions of all the other adherents like muslims are. Christians aren't harassed constantly about the actions of other people calling themselves christian, and no other religion is placed under the microscope like that. We could have a better discussion with niranjan if his utter prejudice and hatred for all things Islam wasn't pouring out of every post.

Furthermore he accusses all muslims of these atrocities then states that Islam itself teaches it. Never once citing anything from Islam's religious sources to back it up. It takes no great skill and courage to cut and paste. It does however take reaserch to back a claim. If Islam is to blame for the world's atrocities since the 7th century, then he should have no problem citing the relevant verses of Quran, hadith, and all of that along with tafsir (explanation). After all if his claim is true, then our supposed barbarism should show throughout all our religious texts.

So if cutting and pasting atrocities done, making claims you can't back, and painting all people with one broad bigotted brush is admirable to you then that let's me know where you coming from.

Niranjan has fearlessly, effectively, and passionately responded to all of the garbage slung his way, if one has the good sense to read through the entire thread it is readily apparent.

Sorry, but it appears that painting all people with one broad bigotted brush seems to be something quite up your alley, not mine.

 

[!Fluffy!]

I just wanted to know in case we have things in common between my religion and his religion and i don't understand why is that bothering you, and i never directed that question at you, and you just jumped out of no where to be his lawyer or maybe because you and him/her have alot of things in common, lol if you know what i mean.



That's what i'm talking about.

everybody can see that this post of you speak volumes.

It does indeed, I hate certain tactics and will speak out against them wherever that might be.

You might want to rethink your position.

 

[TashaN]

I hate certain tactics and will speak out against them wherever that might be.

You seem like a professional in scanning tactics, exploring, planning, and implementing them. Have you ever had any thought of joining the army? You will be of great help to them.

 

[!Fluffy!]

You seem like a professional in scanning tactics, exploring, planning, and implementing them. Have you ever had any thought of joining the army? You will be of great help to them.

Your repeated personal attacks on me are not welcome. Mod or no mod, I'm reporting this one.

 

[fullyveiled muslimah]

Niranjan has fearlessly, effectively, and passionately responded to all of the garbage slung his way, if one has the good sense to read through the entire thread it is readily apparent.

First off I didn't sling anything. Secondly, he still has not backed a claim. He pasted some info. Anybody can do that. Nice how you missed that he never did that.

Sorry, but it appears that painting all people with one broad bigotted brush seems to be something quite up your alley, not mine.

What in God's green earth are you talking about? I never painted you with a brush and niranjan neither. He most certainly condemned us all into the categories he listed. I find it offensive and still hold to the fact that the same info could have been presented in a less inflammatory fashion.

 

[!Fluffy!]

Look. I came in here for one reason and one reason only, to applaud someone for their courage, persistence, tenanciousness and conscientious research. I have every right to do so in this particular public forum.

Your response to that amounted to a blatant and unjustified personal attack, a blanket mischaracterization of his position which was entirely devoid of fact:

I didn't know it was admirable to mudsling and paint all muslims as rapists, criminals, terrorists and murderers. Which is whats happening. Niranjan still has not created a point of debate in all his rantings. He has accused all muslims as criminals which I find absurd and offensive since I am muslim and not a criminal. He could have presented the same material and not been offensive simply by differentiating between Islam, muslims, and criminals calling themselves muslims. Instead of presenting his material and then engaging in a reasonable debate/discussion of the issues, he blatantly charges all muslims with the same charge worldwide. Also it isn't taken into account that just because we are muslim we don't all know each other, and cannot answer for the actiions of people thousands of miles away from us on another continent. No other religions adherents are asked to answer for the actions of all the other adherents like muslims are. Christians aren't harassed constantly about the actions of other people calling themselves christian, and no other religion is placed under the microscope like that. We could have a better discussion with niranjan if his utter prejudice and hatred for all things Islam wasn't pouring out of every post.

Furthermore he accusses all muslims of these atrocities then states that Islam itself teaches it. Never once citing anything from Islam's religious sources to back it up. It takes no great skill and courage to cut and paste. It does however take reaserch to back a claim. If Islam is to blame for the world's atrocities since the 7th century, then he should have no problem citing the relevant verses of Quran, hadith, and all of that along with tafsir (explanation). After all if his claim is true, then our supposed barbarism should show throughout all our religious texts.

So if cutting and pasting atrocities done, making claims you can't back, and painting all people with one broad bigotted brush is admirable to you then that let's me know where you coming from.

when in fact the OP has plainly stated the exact opposite, that it is NOT ALL muslims to blame for islamic terrorism.

In some religions, this sort of behavior would be regarded as hypocrisy...

 

[Mujahid Mohammed]

Your repeated personal attacks on me are not welcome. Mod or no mod, I'm reporting this one.

Hey, its all good, I think he was being light or making a joke and you may have taken it wrong. But Allahu alim. If people would follow the sunnah and give 70 excuses there would be no issue.

 

[!Fluffy!]

Hey, its all good, I think he was being light or making a joke and you may have taken it wrong. But Allahu alim. If people would follow the sunnah and give 70 excuses there would be no issue.

In texas they say: "bull puckey".

Here in south carolina i say: lame and lamer.

 

[Quiddity]

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