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The real teachings of Christ

Omraam

Member
Jesus was familiar with the Cabbalah ; this Science was an integral part of the Judaic tradition in which he was brought up and it was he who revealed it to St John. This is why we find so many cabbalistic elements it to St John's Apocalypse.

In all spiritual traditions there is an exoteric teaching which is given to all the faithful, and an esoteric teaching which is revealed to a small minority of initiates. The exoteric aspect of Christianity is represented by St Peter and the esoteric aspect by St John.

In the Gospels, St John is called 'the disciple whom Jesus loved', and his closeness to Jesus sometimes aroused some jealousy on the part of the other disciples, particularly St Peter.

After the Resurrection St Peter questioned Jesus about St John and Jesus replied, 'if I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?' And the Gospels adds, 'Then this saying went out among the brethren that this disciple would not die.?

This is the source of that long-lived tradition according to which St John is still alive and he dwells with other Inititates in Agartha, where the old legends about the mysterious kingdom of Prester John originated from . Early Christians took them to mean that St John would not die. But of course this is incorrect.

Nevertheless , Jesus therefore prepared St John and St Peter for two different missions. Why did he divide his work in two in his way?

Those who are familiar with the history of Initiations in the past know that all great Masters did the same thing.

Moses, himself, gave one body of teaching and rules for the masses, but to the seventy elders chosen from amongst the wisest and most faithful of his followers, he entrusted the keys of his five books, the Pentateuch, and it was thanks to these keys that they were able to decipher the hidden meaning of those books.

Certain truths were kept secret either because they were beyond the comprehension of the weak or because they would have put power into the hands of the wicked. This is why Jesus said, 'Do not cast your pearls before swine.'

And, when his disciples asked him why he spoke to the multitude in parables, he replied, 'Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of Heaven, but to them it has not been given'.

All the established churches, whether Orthodox, Catholic or Protestant, are exoteric churches; they teach certain truths but their primary concern is with rules and regulations for the masses.

They are unable to reveal the deepest and most mysterious truths, for only those whose minds have been tempered and made ready can accept and digest secret aspect of reality.

Jesus gave his exoteric teaching to St Peter, therefore, and his esoteric, Initiatic teaching to St John. This is how St John received the keys to the Old Testament and, in particular, to the deeply mysterious Book of Genesis.

You are all familiar with the Word' which seem to echo the first words of Genesis, 'In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.'

I know that a great many people have difficulty in accepting the idea that Jesus was familiar with the Cabbalah, but we find at least one proof that this was so in the Gospels.

Do you remember the episode of the woman taken in adultery? Some Scribes and Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery before Jesus.

The Law of the Jews decreed that such a woman should be stoned to death and they wanted to get Jesus to tell them what they should do about it, in the hope of getting him to lay himself open to charges of breaking the Law.

The Gospels says, 'But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with his finger, as though he did not hear. So when they continued asking him, he raised himself up and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first."

And again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. 'Nobody has ever explained what it was that Jesus wrote on the ground. Was he making idle marks in the dust like someone who doodles on a scrap of paper when he is bored?

Was he pretending to be thinking of something else so as to avoid their questions? Neither of these, of course. Although no one has ever revealed this before, I will tell you what he was doing: he was tracing certain Cabbalistic signs and symbols with which the Scribes and Pharisees were as familiar as he was, having been schooled in the same tradition.

Jesus took this way of telling them, 'If you are pure and blameless, you are free to apply the Law and punish this woman. but if you, yourselves, are guilty of the same sin, be careful what you do for, by virtue of these Cabbalistic signs you will be condemned and struck down'.

Seing these – and because they understood perfectly well what they meant – they withdrew and left him alone with the woman. How can you explain that the Scribes and Pharisees, who had every justification in law for putting this adulterous woman to death, gave up their intention so readily if not because Jesus threatened them in some way?

Yes, there is no doubt about it: Jesus was familiar with the Cabbalah, and St John's Revelation cannot be interpreted without some of that same knowledge.

Take, for instance, the passage about the scarlet Beast with seven heads and ten horns on which sat the Harlot, holding the golden cup full of abdominations and filth: this is obviously a reference to the evil, adverse Sephiroth known in the Cabbalah as the Kliphot.

But how can anyone who does not possess the key to the secret meaning of the Apocalypse hope to interpret it correctly? St John wrote, for instance, that the number of the Beast was 666 and, failing to grasp the symbolism involved, a great many people have tried to decide to whom he was referring.

Every imaginable interpretation has been given to this wretched number; it has been attributed to all the most hated tyrants of history: Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin, etc. But that is plainly ridiculous.

Christianity did not suddenly appear out of nowhere. It is the outcome of several different traditions, the most important of which is the Judaic tradition contained in the Cabbalah.

This is why it is so important to have some knowledge of the Cabbalah in order to understand the Bible. Christianity possesses a vast philosophy, a science of tremendous richness but, unfortunetly, for several centuries the Church has been content to transmit only scraps of incomplete, superficial information to the faithful.

Is it any wonder that they are flocking for inspiration to Japanese, Tibetan, Hindu and Sufic philosophies? The answers they receive from Christianity seem so poor and inadequate, whereas others have such a wealth of knowledge.

The clergy should be ashamed of their inability to communicate the deep truths of Christianity to the faithful; they have been content to preach at them without teaching them anything, and it is only now that they see the results!

It is high time that Christians began to reflect about these things, otherwise Christianity will finally disappear altogether. for my part,I am not opposed to Christianity, quite the contrary. Iwish that Christians would return to Christianity; they have no idea what it really is at all.

If priests and pastors understood my attitude they should be the first to come and embrace me. But it is just the opposite: they think that I am working against Christ and against their interests. There is a great deal of misunderstanding here.

Omraam
 

Mike182

Flaming Queer
i am quite well read, and i have a fair bit of knowledge, but i don't know much about the cabbalah

would you care to post some definitions of that which you refer to?

thanks

C_P
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
The gospel of Jesus can be summed up into two "laws":

1) Love God!

2) Love everyone else!

It has nothing to do with kaballah or any other philosophy: just love!
 

Omraam

Member
NetDoc said:
The gospel of Jesus can be summed up into two "laws":

1) Love God!

2) Love everyone else!

It has nothing to do with kaballah or any other philosophy: just love!


You contradict Christ himself. If it was all that simple he would never have given sermons ,parables , lectures on the nature of the mind and heart .All the bible would contain it it about christs teachings would be " just love ", but it does,nt .

But if it suits you to believe that , best of luck .
 

Buttons*

Glass half Panda'd
How did all of the Greek writers of the Bible know about the Cabbalah? I mean, of course Yeshua would have been the teacher, but there are even debates of his actual existance. There are many things one can get out of reading the Bible, it depends on how one interprets it all.

I'll have to look into the Cabbalah more though before giving you an actual argument
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Omraam said:
You contradict Christ himself. If it was all that simple he would never have given sermons ,parables , lectures on the nature of the mind and heart .All the bible would contain it it about christs teachings would be " just love ", but it does,nt .

But if it suits you to believe that , best of luck .
You say I contradict my Lord, and so disclose that you have no idea what Christianity is all about:

Matthew 22:36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37 Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." NIV

But don't despair: many who call themselves "Christian" have no idea what Christianity is all about either. Like most secrets, it is hidden right out in the open.
 
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A. Leaf

Guest
I believe St John was stating that the number of the beast was not 666, but three seperate numbers, 600, 3 score (60) and six, for those that have wisdom.
 

Buttons*

Glass half Panda'd
Freelancer7 said:
I believe St John was stating that the number of the beast was not 666, but three seperate numbers, 600, 3 score (60) and six, for those that have wisdom.

that's a really interesting observation! props to you!
 
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A. Leaf

Guest
mainly being years and titles of certain events and peoples leading to an individual
 

Omraam

Member
NetDoc said:
You say I contradict my Lord, and so disclose that you have no idea what Christianity is all about:

Matthew 22:36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37 Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
Yes , of course it is . But this is only one small part of the bible !

And it is how to love that needs to be learned. Im afraid my freind it is you who has much to learn . For example you dont love me or my opinion do you ?

You say your a christian , that you love your lord Jesus , And yet I am saying the same as your lord has said . Just that it is a new idea to you , and you are a bit alarmed by it all. By the interpretation.

But trust me , I would never lead you astray . Besides , what would be in that for me ? I dont know you , cant get your money , dont have a sect , I dont have to say what I do , heaven will not hold me accountable for not saving your soul , Im very happy as Iam .

How to love is not as easy as you make it out to be . If it were , then the greatest masters and sages would never have demanded such extreme austerities from their followers . When you understand the nature of the lower mind a bit better , perhaps you will come to see what is being discussed here more lucidly.

I want you to understand that the principles mentioned in all world religions concerning mans fall from grace , or sinful mind , are the same.

Point being that the efforts made by buddhist monks in preserving the integrity of mans spiritual mind where the same as those efforts made by early desert fathers of christianity , knights templars , gnostics and so on. A severe effort !!

Because the human mind is frail , can be frail. Loving your neighbour , your enemies , is not as easy as you make out . Are you in charge of all your negative emotions ? Its time for a third testament . Yes dont be alarmed , but the world shall have to learn to upgrade its notion of love .

First moses gave you the law , an eye for an eye , but we all know nowadays that this was just a basic level of humanitarianism , then christ gave you something more advanced . But the laws of god did,nt stop there . And so too our present notion of love is now not enough . It must evolve for god to be free on earth .

You say you love your lord , well he asks that you stop fighting against him . He wants you to know that he has better things in store for us all. Magnificent things , here on earth . But in order to make them happen , we must all move on to the next level .

Omraam
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Omraam said:
Yes , of course it is . But this is only one small part of the bible !
Did you miss the part about ALL of the law and the prophets hanging on these two commandments??? You are a legalist: wanting a list of rules. Fortunately, God has allowed the "rule book" to be written on our hearts.

Omraam said:
And it is how to love that needs to be learned. Im afraid my freind it is you who has much to learn . For example you dont love me or my opinion do you ?
Well actually, I love you alot! If I didn't, I would have dismissed this as just another troll.

Omraam said:
You say your a christian , that you love your lord Jesus , And yet I am saying the same as your lord has said . Just that it is a new idea to you , and you are a bit alarmed by it all. By the interpretation.
No, you are not. You are adding to his Gospel of Love, and I find that distressing. All we need is Love. The Beatles weren't the first to figure that one out!

Omraam said:
But trust me , I would never lead you astray .
Satan says the very same thing. I will continue to listen to Jesus only; thanks anyway.

Omraam said:
Besides , what would be in that for me ? I dont know you , cant get your money , dont have a sect , I dont have to say what I do , heaven will not hold me accountable for not saving your soul , Im very happy as Iam .
This pertains to the problem in WHAT way???

Omraam said:
How to love is not as easy as you make it out to be . If it were , then the greatest masters and sages would never have demanded such extreme austerities from their followers .
It's funny you should bring that up. Those are but a HOLLOW image of what Jesus wants from us.

Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19 He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
20 Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21 "Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? 22 These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence. NIV

BTW, I never said that Love was easy. It is incredibly hard as we keep letting our pride and arrogance in the way. Here is an example of love:

Matthew 25:37 "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40 "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' NIV

How about another one?

Romans 12:1 Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual act of worship. 2 Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.


3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you. 4 Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. If a man's gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to his faith. 7 If it is serving, let him serve; if it is teaching, let him teach; 8 if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously; if it is leadership, let him govern diligently; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully.

9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10 Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves. 11 Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. 12 Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. 13 Share with God's people who are in need. Practice hospitality.


14Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. 17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. 20 On the contrary:
"If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
NIV

Sorry for posting the entire passage, but its all about LOVE. What's in YOUR heart???
 

Darkdale

World Leader Pretend
NetDoc said:
The gospel of Jesus can be summed up into two "laws":

1) Love God!

2) Love everyone else!

It has nothing to do with kaballah or any other philosophy: just love!

This is true. Everything else is just a rewriting of history.
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
Omraam said:
The clergy should be ashamed of their inability to communicate the deep truths of Christianity to the faithful; they have been content to preach at them without teaching them anything, and it is only now that they see the results!

It is high time that Christians began to reflect about these things, otherwise Christianity will finally disappear altogether. for my part,I am not opposed to Christianity, quite the contrary. Iwish that Christians would return to Christianity; they have no idea what it really is at all.

If priests and pastors understood my attitude they should be the first to come and embrace me. But it is just the opposite: they think that I am working against Christ and against their interests. There is a great deal of misunderstanding here.

Omraam
I cannot concur enough Omraam. When I first began to look deeply into the semiotic and metaphysical the world lit by the sun faded, which was a scarey time. I visited a clergyman to discuss the knowledge I was gathering and the spirits which had subsequently entered my life to lead me from the truths I was to find. The clergyman directed me to psychiatric services, 'no room at the intellectual inn' if you like.

NetDoc said:
You say I contradict my Lord, and so disclose that you have no idea what Christianity is all about:

Matthew 22:36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37 Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." NIV

But don't despair: many who call themselves "Christian" have no idea what Christianity is all about either. Like most secrets, it is hidden right out in the open.
It is synchronistic that you post these verses as I was going to give these as the 'real teachings' of Jeheshuah. I have read the whole chapter and it actually stands to strengthen Omraam arguments as it concerns the Saducees and Pharisees trying to entrap Jeheshuah in legislation, from sedition against Imperial Rome to Apostasy against Mosiac Law. Jeheshuah as the prophets that preceeded him all had secret knowledge, and as with all religious hegemonies, this knowledge is for the few, the sacred, the chosen, not for the profane. Abraham, Joseph, Moses, and Jeheshuah all knew and conquered the mysteries of Aegypt, and it is surely not coincedence, and even a little ironic, that the 'priest' that challenges Jeheshauh in Matthew 22 is a pharisee. It has been moot that the real crucifixion of Jeheshuah was a spiritual one in Aegypt, rather than the one that is supposed to have occured at Golgotha. The resurrection story having more to do with pagan solar rites, than the religion of the children of Abraham, but this is not to be touched upon now, rather in consideration of the number six hundred, three score, and six, for surely in that number is a secret and wisdom that only the wise would know.

Jeheshuah was the annointed to the children of Jacob, and a Iight to the Goyem. It is then, considering Jeheshuah's desire to teach, strange that he himself said,

"Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and rend you" Matt. 7:6

I think that it is perhaps safe to cast pearls before swine and even to show that which is holy to dogs, as they would not see any inherent value in it. Contrariwise they may trample it, precisely as they now its worth, and it threatens the basis of their power. It is interesting that the word for disbelief in Islam 'Kufr' does not correlate to atheism, or to the sin of associating partners with the infinite and absolute (Shirk), it has inherent in the word the concept of covering of the truth. A famous Islamic Scholar states

'God says: 'When they return to them they warn their people, so that they may guard themselves' (9:122). It means teaching and guidance. God says: 'Remember when God took a covenant from the People of the Book - you shall surely make it known and not conceal it' (3:187). It shows that teaching was binding on them. God says: 'A party from them conceal the truth although they know it' (2:140)...God does not give any learned man any knowledge until He takes from him a covenant as he took from the prophets, namely to make it known to the people and not conceal it.'

Imam Ghazali, Acquisition of Knowledge, The Revival of the Religious Sciences.

 

Omraam

Member
Nehustan said:
I visited a clergyman to discuss the knowledge I was gathering and the spirits which had subsequently entered my life to lead me to the truths I was to find. The clergyman directed me to psychiatric services, 'no room at the intellectual inn' if you like.
Indeed . This is typical of the clergy and many of the followers of orthodox christianity .
History proves this ! Appalling .Thankfully new times are upon us .

Jeheshuah
Not too many christians realize either that this was actually their saviours real name .

Its bad enough they preach the wrong message , they cant even say his name right .

Christianity is a religion hijacked by conservatives , like the sadducees , hell bent on telling us all how it should be , how we will burn in hell for our sins . It has turned into , once again , a religion of conformity to political wishes .
 

Omraam

Member
For centuries the Church told Christians that the only thing that mattered was faith. When they asked questions they were told that it was a mystery, that they only had to believe and they would be saved; it was not necessary to understand. Those who refused to accept this were persecuted.

But it is not true that belief is enough. Religion is not only a question of faith. All true religion is founded on knowledge, and it is because the Church did not give the faithful the knowledge they needed to nourish their intellect as weft as their soul and spirit that, in the long run, they either lost their faith because they had the impression that they were being asked to believe something that was absurd, or they went elsewhere for their spiritual nourishment.

Although the Church was wrong to oppose the Initiatic tradition, the present situation is not necessarily an improvement. There is considerable danger in making the occult sciences and all the different spiritualities of the world accessible to anyone and everyone.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that those who are attracted to the occult sciences are necessarily motivated by lofty mystical or spiritual aspirations.

Not at all! Many of them are simply looking for money, power, glory or pleasure, and they launch into an exploration of occultism as though it were a supermarket in which they could pick up all kinds of fantastic bargains, some of which (drugs, black magic, unbridled sex) are very dangerous.

For there is no lack of either appetite or covetousness in human beings; what is lacking is the intelligence, patience and perseverance they need to obtain what they covet. They are always trying to achieve their ends faster and with less effort, and today the occult sciences offer them the means to do so.

You must never try to use occult practices in order to fulfil your personal ambitions. Occultism is not true spiritual science; in fact, for my part, I prefer to avoid the term "occult", for the occult sciences are a mixture of good and evil and there are all too many occultists who dip into the darker side of these sciences.

A truly spiritual person will never try to use his knowledge or his psychic powers for his personal enrichment. His only ideal is to become perfect and to work in, with and for the light so as to become a true child of God and a benefactor of mankind.

Omraam
 

Darkdale

World Leader Pretend
Jesus is not complex. He was a pacifist. He wanted Man to love God and love Man. He wanted people to care about each other.

Now, I think he was a crappy spiritual leader. I think he showed almost no comprehension of what it means to be a human being..... but, if you go by what the Bible Says.... NetDoc is right on. The rest of you seem to be drawing on the history of "spiritualism" and not on the words of Christ.
 

Omraam

Member
Darkdale said:
The rest of you seem to be drawing on the history of "spiritualism" and not on the words of Christ.
Its your interpretation of christs message which is misplaced . You fail to see the connection between " the history of spiritualism " & " christ " .
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Darkdale and I seldom agree... so if he says I am right: well I must be! :D Bwahahaha! Frubals on you DD... thanks for the support!
 
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