The real teachings of Christ

[michel]

Indeed Netdoc , so watch what you say ! Your treading on thin ice here , rejecting the laws of God , because you are confused.You do a great unjustice to Gods people by preaching what you are now , be careful !

My god will not have you going around telling everyone they will burn in hell if they dont listen to you . You will be dealt with !

My god will not have you going around telling everyone they will burn in hell if they dont listen to you . You will be dealt with !

I see NetDoc has replied to your threat; I don't think I have ever seen anyone say something of the like to another member on this forum. All I can say is, if you believe you are speaking for the Christian God, you have your wires crossed..........

 

[Popeyesays]

Reconciliation lies not in the scriptures, but in the heart of mankind. Each must come to choose reconciliation, and that process is inevitable, but slow . . . in God's time, not our time.
This prayer was revealed in 1916 as World War One raged with previously unheard of casualty rates.
"REVEALED TO THE BAHÁ'ÍS OF THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA
O God, my God! Thou seest how black darkness is enshrouding all regions, how all countries are burning with the flame of dissension, and the fire of war and carnage is blazing throughout the East and the West. Blood is flowing, corpses bestrew the ground, and severed heads are fallen on the dust of the battlefield.
O Lord! Have pity on these ignorant ones, and look upon them with the eye of forgiveness and pardon. Extinguish this fire, so that these dense clouds which obscure the horizon may be scattered, the Sun of Reality shine forth with the rays of conciliation, this intense gloom be dispelled and the resplendent light of peace shed its radiance upon all countries.
O Lord! Draw up the people from the abyss of the ocean of hatred and enmity, and deliver them from the impenetrable darkness. Unite their hearts, and brighten their eyes with the light of peace and reconciliation. Deliver them from the depths of war and bloodshed, and free them from the darkness of error. Remove the veil from their eyes, and enlighten their hearts with the light of guidance. Treat them with Thy tender mercy and compassion, and deal not with them according to Thy justice and wrath which cause the limbs of the mighty to quake.
O Lord! Wars have persisted. Distress and anxiety have waxed great, and every flourishing region is laid waste.
O Lord! Hearts are heavy, and souls are in anguish. Have mercy on these poor souls, and do not leave them to the excesses of their own desires.
O Lord! Make manifest in Thy lands humble and submissive souls, their faces illumined with the rays of guidance, severed from the world, extolling Thy Name, uttering Thy praise, and diffusing the fragrance of Thy holiness amongst mankind.
O Lord! Strengthen their backs, gird up their loins, and enrapture their hearts with the most mighty signs of Thy love.
O Lord! Verily, they are weak, and Thou art the Powerful and the Mighty; they are impotent, and Thou art the Helper and the Merciful.
O Lord! The ocean of rebellion is surging, and these tempests will not be stilled save through Thy boundless grace which hath embraced all regions.
O Lord! Verily, the people are in the abyss of passion, and naught can save them but Thine infinite bounties.
O Lord! Dispel the darkness of these corrupt desires, and illumine the hearts with the lamp of Thy love through which all countries will erelong be enlightened. Confirm, moreover, Thy loved ones, those who, leaving their homelands, their families and their children, have, for the love of Thy Beauty, traveled to foreign countries to diffuse Thy fragrances and promulgate Thy Teachings. Be Thou their companion in their loneliness, their helper in a strange land, the remover of their sorrows, their comforter in calamity. Be Thou a refreshing draught for their thirst, a healing medicine for their ills and a balm for the burning ardor of their hearts.
Verily, Thou art the Most Generous, the Lord of grace abounding, and, verily, Thou art the Compassionate and the Merciful.
- 'Abdu'l-Bahá
(Compilations, Baha'i Prayers, p. 180)

Regards,
Scott

 

[Omraam]

I see NetDoc has replied to your threat; I don't think I have ever seen anyone say something of the like to another member on this forum. QUOTE]


For me to say " you will be dealt with " , in relation to what we where speaking about , means essentially karma.

And christians should be aware of this law !
Reaping as you have sown . To be dealt with , is to have all your negative thoughts and actions thrown back at you .

And There are few things as negative in a spiritual teaching as the teaching that god will punish folk for no good reason. Therefore . heaven shall punish those who misrepresent it.

All I can say is, if you believe you are speaking for the Christian God, you have your wires crossed

If you cannot see the reasoning behind me telling someone they are wrong to preach eternal damnation and alike then thats up to you .

However , the christian God I am aware of does not have a hell somewhere , and human affairs are not governed by him using only grace and predestination as has been suggested , as is the source of this dispute.

 

[Omraam]

whenever violence was presented as an option, Jesus condemned it. That appears to be the Biblical perspective.

Christ only condemned voilence at that time because it was all that people could understand .

However , times have changed . Although voilence is wrong , there is no harm in defending yourself , being stronger than your enemies .

Christians should not believe that they should always turn the other cheek .

 

[Omraam]

How did all of the Greek writers of the Bible know about the Cabbalah?
I'll have to look into the Cabbalah more though before giving you an actual argument

Kabbalah is easy to understand . We know the greeks knew of this knowledge because of what is presented below . On the left , the greek version of the kabbalah , on the left , the hebrew .

Zelator = Malkuth, Kingdom
Theoricus = Yesod, Foundation
Practicus = Hod, Splendour
Philosophus = Netzach, Victory
Adeptus Minor = Tiphareth, Beauty
Adeptus Major = Gevurah, Might
Adeptus Exemptus = Chesed, Mercy
Magister Templi = Binah, Understanding
Magus = Chokmah, Wisdom
Ipissimus = Kether, Crown

The kabbalah is a traditionally middle eastern spiritual system used by initiates to rise higher in the mind . It also reflects the Dao of the orientals . For example , when you are at malkuth , greek zelator , you are beginning your spiritual journey , you must get rid of your petty thoughts and emotions , and cultivate love for humanity , before you can rise to the next level Theoricus , hebrew yesod.

This is where you learn theory of the mind from a spiritual master or sage .

Before moving onto practicus , where you must practice what you preach , live the spiritual life you have been learning about , and so it goes on until you reach divine wisdom , the crown , Ipissimus . Which of course is not easy to reach .

 

[Omraam]

i am quite well read, and i have a fair bit of knowledge, but i don't know much about the cabbalah

would you care to post some definitions of that which you refer to?

Hello mike , yes You can find that in the post I sent to gnosis just earlier in this thread.

 

[Omraam]

I believe St John was stating that the number of the beast was not 666, but three seperate numbers, 600, 3 score (60) and six, for those that have wisdom.

Yes , the number of man with a tail . It is symbolic . Man stands with his arms stretched out he has five points . Head , two hands pointing out like a star , and two feet outstretched = 5 , the pentagram.

This is code for the initiates . Man with a tail hanging down makes six points .This indicates the animal self , ego , lower mind.

The trick is for humainity to go from the six to the five , thats to say to go from being led by their lower nature to their higher selfs , Adam , the outsretched man , the perfect man.

This is what it means when St John spoke of the beast.

" Let he that hath wisdom understand " said St John , the beast on earth is mankind when he follows his lower nature .

 

[muichimotsu]

I just want to place a quick post on this subject. There are at least three different "General" perspectives on how one can read Jesus' messages in the Gospels. There is the privileged perspective: that is to read it in a way that, if not blatantly exploits and oppresses those who in underpriviliged positions, does it unconsciously and in a less observable way, the oppression principally in a more mental state. The second perspective is from the underprivileged perspective: this views Jesus as the liberator of the people in both a spiritual and social fashion. From this perspective, we see a very important part of Jesus' teachings, and that is that the essence is justice for all, be they in the center: Eurocentric, white, upper class male, or in the margins: Hispanic/Asian/African American/women, lower class. The third perspective actually views Jesus in a more modern, liberal and universal sense, seeing that Jesus indeed preached love, justice, and a sense of personal responsibility to read "between the lines" of biblical text, revealing the truth that not only was Jesus of Jewish origins, but his religion is closer to Judaism than many Christians give it credit. Also, Christians would be interested to see that the Koran is quite peaceful in comparison to the ugly stereotyping by many of it as a violent religion. Sigh...okay, I'm done for now. Enjoy, criticize me, ask for some quotes from the Bible of All Inherent Blanking Knowledge. Just make a comment, if anything.