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The Reason Two-State Solution is Unachievable
- Thread starter Kenny
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The two states solution that's the right of Palestinians because, It's already dealed peace for that.
Re-occupation West Bank and made the Gaza open air prison,now open air camp and graves, is main reason of this war.
Blaming Palestinians for their resistance, it's absolutely silly
And supporting the chosen evils zionist regime is evil, because it's not normal regime it's racist idealogy.
I personaly don't have a problem that Jews take control over Palestinians but with accept of Arabs, not with this racist criminal regime.
Re-occupation West Bank and made the Gaza open air prison,now open air camp and graves, is main reason of this war.
Blaming Palestinians for their resistance, it's absolutely silly
And supporting the chosen evils zionist regime is evil, because it's not normal regime it's racist idealogy.
I personaly don't have a problem that Jews take control over Palestinians but with accept of Arabs, not with this racist criminal regime.
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So it looks to me like some random person of unknown methodology and bias constructed an unscientific survey and you want us to be impressed enough to genocide the Palestinain people?x.com
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This person did not find one Palestinian that wants one.
Lying propaganda from a source, Fox propaganda network, that is uninterested in truth but promotes lies to sell advertising. Netanyahu, Hamas, Hezbollah don't want a two state solution and act to make it impossible by promoting fear and hatred which feeds on itself and the souls of the people there.x.com
This person did not find one Palestinian that wants one.
82% of Israeli Jews and 75% of Palestinians believed that the other side would never accept the existence of their independent state. At the end of October 2023, the two-state solution had the support of 71.9% of Israeli Arabs and 28.6% of Israeli Jews. Two-state solution - Wikipedia
I disagree… the interviews were from people on the streets - like someone walking the streets of NY. Unplanned, raw and real Maybe that is why they let them put weapons in schools and hospitals? And missile launchers next door and in playgrounds?
Interviewing people on the street is not scientific polling. The presence of weapons does not prove that people have any choice in where they're placed.
The man on the street is the best polling you will get. I didn’t say the having weapons was because of this, rather, “ Maybe that is why…"
I guess one can dismiss anything and I believe the report was “Genocidal thoughts for Israel” and not visa versa
It is correct to dismiss random internet users and instead fund scientific surveys in my view.
If by report you mean this random internet user's statements it was titled, "Wild West Bank: DELETED SCENES EXPOSED", if on the other hand you are referring to some document you appear to not have provided it in the OP in my view.
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Sure you want to do that though?
Anyone can look up the public opinion polls by PCPSR on their website.
Yes I sure am.
Thanks for that resource, at this link;
Public Opinion Poll No (91) | PCPSR
'Finally, we asked the public about if it is for or against an idea of a long-term vision for the day after in which the US and an Arab coalition comprising Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan would develop a plan that would strengthen the PA, restore negotiations based on the two-state solution, and bring about an Arab-Israeli peace and normalization. Almost three quarters (73%) said it stands against the idea and only 23% said it stands for it. It is worth noting that the support for the idea among Gazans is much higher than it is among West Bankers, 36% and 14% respectively.+'
I believe those 36% of Gazans and 14% of West Bank citizens are worth saving if it is at all practical to do so. 36% of Gaza's 800,636 people is 288,229 people give or take a person and that is a lot of worthy people that should not be destroyed if it can be helped in my view.
The reason why two state solution cannot happen is because its low support among both Palestinian and Jewish Israeli population. (34% for both )x.com
This person did not find one Palestinian that wants one.
Israelis have grown more skeptical of a two-state solution
This is significantly smaller compared to Palestinian support for two state solution
Press Release: Public Opinion Poll No (91) | PCPSR
What you are apparently ignoring is the efforts on both sides to find a solution in spite of how hard it will be (Matt. 5:9 - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.),
(WaPo paywall)
It’s time to secure a lasting peace — for Israelis, Palestinians and the broader region.
Ehud Olmert was prime minister of Israel from 2006 to 2009. Nasser al-Kidwa was foreign affairs minister of the Palestinian National Authority from 2005 to 2006.
And an even handed view of the feelings of both sides in the region:Years of polarising narratives have also bred mistrust, competing accounts of victimisation, debilitating fears and animosity — to the point of mutual dehumanisation.
Which can lead to an examination of the dark forces behind the horror on both sides.
MayPeaceBeUpOnYou
Active Member
Well we shouldn’t deny the fact that Israel has put around a half million Jews in occupied territories which complicates a 2 state solution. Let alone alone the fact that the Knesset voted against a Palestinian state.x.com
This person did not find one Palestinian that wants one.
I would even argue that Israel efforts end especially nethenyahu never supported a 2 state solution because they believe in a greater Israel, and that would mean that their aim was to make sure a Palestinian state never will be a fact but rather a regime change to the countries surrounding them. This we know of the advise given to Netanyahu in 1995 that is known as ‘a clean break’
A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm - Wikipedia
GoodAttention
Well-Known Member
Yes I sure am.
Thanks for that resource, at this link;
I found;Public Opinion Poll No (91) | PCPSR
pcpsr.org
'Finally, we asked the public about if it is for or against an idea of a long-term vision for the day after in which the US and an Arab coalition comprising Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan would develop a plan that would strengthen the PA, restore negotiations based on the two-state solution, and bring about an Arab-Israeli peace and normalization. Almost three quarters (73%) said it stands against the idea and only 23% said it stands for it. It is worth noting that the support for the idea among Gazans is much higher than it is among West Bankers, 36% and 14% respectively.+'
I believe those 36% of Gazans and 14% of West Bank citizens are worth saving if it is at all practical to do so. 36% of Gaza's 800,636 people is 288,229 people give or take a person and that is a lot of worthy people that should not be destroyed if it can be helped in my view.
The question is too vague imo, and having Americans and other Arabs trying to fix the problem is a slap in the face.
It shouldn't even be about a 2 state solution when 1 already exists. The question should be, should we declare the State of Palestine?
State first, then settle border disputes and occupied territory at the UN.
Yerda
Veteran Member
What is the alternative?
This is, probably, very accurate. When one finds out that the goal from Hamas is a genocidal goal of eliminating Israel and that the general consensus of the average Palestinian is to support Hamas (now by word and definitely by the deeds of harboring weapons) - one would loose all hope of a two-state solution.
Of course, biblically on my side, that little country will be a center-point of conflict that includes Russia and China. Interesting how we see that shaping up. Coincidental or prophetic?
So, when there was a two-state potential… what did Hamas do with all the money to make it successful? Make tunnels, buy weapons, and then attack Israel.
One can only begin to wonder if the Muslim leaders are really just giving platitudes to continue the effort. Sweet words from the mouth when the heart is far from it. (factual evidence seen today)
It is also natural for Palestinians to support Hamas in the face to dehumanising violence, terror and oppression by the state of Israel.
It's self fulfilling prophecy. It's like making prophecy saying there will be a nuclear war in 2050 and religion lunatics launching nuclear weapons on 2050 to fulfill it. Such prophecies show why these sorts of end-time faiths are so dangerous.