the religious Racial discrimination in Islam Teaching

[Debater Slayer]

I'm not. That's a serious accusation, dude!

Ever heard of "play along according to their mentality until you get what you want" or "خدهم على قد عقلهم"?

Or are you implying that women cannot do that for sometime in a university driven by radicals? Women are strong to withstand a simple dress code like that.

We need to be strong to manage living in such countries man. We both know that. Otherwise you couldn't have kept your sanity living where you lived your early life and the same for me still being where I am for 33 years now.

You're being too emotional. We need to know how to deal with such situations, unfortunately.

You are implying that she shouldn't complain too much about her situation because it could be worse. She shouldn't have to deal with forced dress code that she doesn't believe in. That's not a simple issue. Being forced not to express oneself as one sees fit is not a simple issue. It is tragic that women have restricted freedoms in theocratic countries like Iraq. Nothing changes that.

 

[Smart_Guy]

You are implying that she shouldn't complain too much about her situation because it could be worse. She shouldn't have to deal with forced dress code that she doesn't believe in. That's not a simple issue. Being forced not to express oneself as one sees fit is not a simple issue. It is tragic that women have restricted freedoms in theocratic countries like Iraq. Nothing changes that.

Nope, that wasn't what I meant.

Everyone world wide is forced to do things they don't believe in. I'm not really disagreeing with your main reason behind it. No one should be forced to do anything, but when we are, we must know how to deal with it instead of just run away, specially if it something manageable. I had to deal with wearing shumag for many years at school all day long tho I hated it so very much, as well as non Saudi students, but we had to deal with it and could since it was manageable unlike for example attending school naked. If the latter hypothetical example was the case, which is not manageable for me, I'd drop from school.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Nope, that wasn't what I meant.

Everyone world wide is forced to do things they don't believe in. I'm not really disagreeing with your main reason behind it. No one should be forced to do anything, but when we are, we must know how to deal with it instead of just run away, specially if it something manageable. I had to deal with wearing shumag for many years at school all day long tho I hated it so very much, as well as non Saudi students, but we had to deal with it and could since it was manageable unlike for example attending school naked. If the latter hypothetical example was the case, which is not manageable for me, I'd drop from school.

How do you know that being force to wear hijab is manageable for the woman in question? Maybe she considered it as unmanageable as being forced to go to school naked.

 

[Smart_Guy]

How do you know that being force to wear hijab is manageable for the woman in question? Maybe she considered it as unmanageable as being forced to go to school naked.

I honestly don't see how wearing feminine clothes, no matter what it is, by females is considered the opposite of wearing clothes; being naked, or anything else really unmanageable like life threats? Tho I agree with the main argument that we do not know what she really has in mind.

Do you really, really believe that that is the reason she couldn't cope with the headscarf? Not because she just doesn't want it?

Just to be clear, I don't want her to be forced to wear it. I'm only trying to express what the saying "desperate times lead to desperate measures" means. I agree completely with the reasoning behind making you starting this discussion which is no one should be forced to do anything.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I honestly don't see how wearing feminine clothes, no matter what it is, by females is considered the opposite of wearing clothes; being naked, or anything else really unmanageable like life threats? Tho I agree with the main argument that we do not know what she really has in mind.

Do you really, really believe that that is the reason she couldn't cope with the headscarf? Not because she just doesn't want it?

I didn't say that she wanted it; of course she didn't want it. Maybe she considered it as repulsive as being forced to be naked. Your definition of "feminine clothes" may well vary from hers.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I didn't say that she wanted it; of course she didn't want it. Maybe she considered it as repulsive as being forced to be naked. Your definition of "feminine clothes" may well vary from hers.

I didn't say you said she wanted it
But good arguments tho

@mahasn ebn sawresho
I didn't mean to gloat with my posts. I'm really sorry your daughter had to go thru that experience

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Proper intellectual dialogue
When I offer you written texts
You believe in
That means that what I say is true
I made a couple of texts that support the directional in that Islam is a religion believes in discrimination
This is an important topic
And the veil, that is the subject of another
And it provided to the brothers in personal experience Forum
With veil
I consider the veil in Islam guide underdevelopment and an insult to women

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I didn't mean to gloat with my posts. I'm really sorry your daughter had to go thru that experience

Whatever your attitude
I write the truth
And not asking you sympathy with me
But I just oldest of proof on every word write them
Any law that puts a legal basis to distinguish between people on the basis of religion is the law declares discrimination and racism
I hope that you intellectually Thaorne
Do you believe in the law declares discrimination between people ??
This is the crux of the matter

 

[Smart_Guy]

Whatever your attitude
I write the truth
And not asking you sympathy with me
But I just oldest of proof on every word write them
Any law that puts a legal basis to distinguish between people on the basis of religion is the law declares discrimination and racism
I hope that you intellectually Thaorne
Do you believe in the law declares discrimination between people ??
This is the crux of the matter

?!?!?!

I'm starting to believe that Arabs are hopeless...

Anyways, what you say is far from the truth. You know nothing of the truth.

You say the problem started after the rule of Saddam Husain ended. What makes you sure that this is the truth but not when it was in Saddam's rule when hijab was not enforced?

I'm really sorry, you lack creditability and stability in these discussions. I really can't believe I coped with you this much. And I mean your reasoning not you in person, as I respect everyone for being people. And I repeat, your house is made of glass, so don't throw bricks on others. You're in no place to question my believing in my religion. I should not engage with you in discussions any further.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

?!?!?!

I'm starting to believe that Arabs are hopeless...

Anyways, what you say is far from the truth. You know nothing of the truth.

You say the problem started after the rule of Saddam Husain ended. What makes you sure that this is the truth but not when it was in Saddam's rule when hijab was not enforced?

I'm really sorry, you lack creditability and stability in these discussions. I really can't believe I coped with you this much. And I mean your reasoning not you in person, as I respect everyone for being people. And I repeat, your house is made of glass, so don't throw bricks on others. You're in no place to question my believing in my religion. I should not engage with you in discussions any further.

You'll want to obscure the sunlight and bright truth sieve Old
Yes fact that Islamic Sharia is the law declares discrimination between human beings on the basis of religion
That is why I say to you and to all of Ihorna that Islamic law is an unjust law
I am on the subject of Saddam Hussein did not write
Saddam Hussein was a secular leader
Saddam Hussein was all Arabs
During the reign of Saddam Hussein was Islamic law does not govern all aspects of life in Iraq
The Islamists are far from ruling
But after Saddam Hussein came Islamists
And carried out the instructions the Koran and the teachings of the Koran
You are not able to see the greatness of Saddam Hussein
Saddam was a great leader

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Which toppled Saddam Hussein and his regime is secular Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states , which opened its territory to the United States and fleets with 28 other countries to destroy Saddam Hussein
Yes Wahhabi Saudi Arabia, Islam is the one who destroyed Iraq
And Daash are from Saudi -making
It holds to the Sunni school