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The republican party and racism, will it collaspe the party?

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Donald Trump is done unless there's some miracle in the works.

The republican party has a problem though, Trumps base is their base and it has a high concentration of racism comparativily. What this means is that the voters are not going to abandon him. Donald Trump will keep the racists and the fiscal conservatives. The swing voters however are going to abandon Trump and the republican party in groves and they will lose seats and presidential elections for years to come if they can't abandon the racism.

The world does not have a problem with fiscal conservatism but because it minimizes Government subsidizes to everyone particularly minorities, racists are attracted to it. The Republicans need to come out and take a hard stand against racism because of how fiscal conservatism can be made to look racist. If they don't they will lose the swing voters. If they do make a stand they will lose some of the racists. The prospect does not look good either way.

Is there a way for the Republican party to come out of this as a valid contender to the Democratic party for future elections or is America going to be a one party system for a while?
 

Kapalika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I feel like we are closer to a huge party shift than a one party system.

I think, if anything the GOP and Democrats will both collapse and form into a pro-corporate party that's right leaning and a new liberal party will emerge.

We've had times and events like this before in the past. We didn't start out with the 2 parties we have now. That or the violence will get worse and we might be heading towards some kind of civil war. A few years ago I would find that idea silly but with promises of more blood being spilled... **** is getting really bad.
 

HonestJoe

Well-Known Member
Donald Trump is done unless there's some miracle in the works.
I doubt it. This will fall off the front pages by the end of the week and be long forgotten once whatever the next big story is turns up.

Is there a way for the Republican party to come out of this as a valid contender to the Democratic party for future elections or is America going to be a one party system for a while?
Even if Trump’s presidency was as damaging as you imply (which I doubt), the party has always had a certain political distance from him and so should have any major problem presenting a new candidate as and when that is needed. Various political parties have survived much worse over the years.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
I feel like we are closer to a huge party shift than a one party system.

I think, if anything the GOP and Democrats will both collapse and form into a pro-corporate party that's right leaning and a new liberal party will emerge.

We've had times and events like this before in the past. We didn't start out with the 2 parties we have now. That or the violence will get worse and we might be heading towards some kind of civil war. A few years ago I would find that idea silly but with promises of more blood being spilled... **** is getting really bad.

I was thinking the 3 parties would be Alt right conservative (New racist party), Republican(Fiscal conservative moderate) and the Democrats(Liberal, Alt Left). The moderates of both the Republicans and Democrats are the most left out and will probably move to the more moderate party.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
I doubt it. This will fall off the front pages by the end of the week and be long forgotten once whatever the next big story is turns up.

Even if Trump’s presidency was as damaging as you imply (which I doubt), the party has always had a certain political distance from him and so should have any major problem presenting a new candidate as and when that is needed. Various political parties have survived much worse over the years.

It will not be forgotten, it will be eclisped by the next stupid thing he does.

What political parties have survived worse?
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Well look at America's recent history, do you really think this is the worst thing to happen in the last few decades?

I was a Republican under Reagan because of the racist and religious turns of the party from fiscal conservatism, I weaned off and became and independent. It has been getting worse every election cycle and this is by far the worse since Reagan. My father a Republican for life has decided that he will vote soley democrat in 2018. My mother who has flip flopped some years is voting democrat in 2018. I could go on but many long time Republicans in my life are voting democrat in 2018. My facebook page which was bombared with Trump support the last month has died to maybe 1 a week.

Yes I believe Trump is the worst thing to happens in decades.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
No the party is not going to collapse. Blatant racism can be hidden behind something else. For example the white supremacists hide behind a Confederate Flag and oppose imaginary enemies and imagined threats. So there need not be racist rhetoric to keep the racists in the party. A fascist claims to be the champion of equality. A racist claims to be in support of morality of some kind. A philanderer is the student of love. A junk food vendor puts an American Heart Association label onto their products. A war hawk talks about the infinite threat of a tiny squeaking mouse.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Donald Trump is done unless there's some miracle in the works.

The republican party has a problem though, Trumps base is their base and it has a high concentration of racism comparativily. What this means is that the voters are not going to abandon him. Donald Trump will keep the racists and the fiscal conservatives. The swing voters however are going to abandon Trump and the republican party in groves and they will lose seats and presidential elections for years to come if they can't abandon the racism.

The world does not have a problem with fiscal conservatism but because it minimizes Government subsidizes to everyone particularly minorities, racists are attracted to it. The Republicans need to come out and take a hard stand against racism because of how fiscal conservatism can be made to look racist. If they don't they will lose the swing voters. If they do make a stand they will lose some of the racists. The prospect does not look good either way.

Is there a way for the Republican party to come out of this as a valid contender to the Democratic party for future elections or is America going to be a one party system for a while?
The republican party has always been the 'party of the rich'. That is, it has always basically served the interests of the wealthy elite. But as this wealthy elite has shrunk in numbers, so dramatically in the last 40-50 years, the party could no longer win elections on their votes, alone. So they had to find ways to cultivate the votes of non-wealthy citizens, even though those citizens would be voting for a party that had no intention of serving their interests.

Karl Rove found the solution during G.W. Bush's run for governor of Texas. Bush was not the popular candidate, and was not likely to win the election. So Karl Rove had his minions put inflammatory flyers on the cars in fundamentalist evangelical church parking lots all across Texas, on Sundays while their owners were in church, falsely claiming that Bush's opponent, Anne Richards, was a homosexual. And it worked like magic! Those Christians ran to the polls in droves on election day to vote for G.W. Bush, as a vote AGAINST the supposed homosexual sinner, Anne Richards. And Bush won the election.

Later, when Bush ran against McCain in the republican presidential primary, Karl Rove used the same trick, again. Only this time he had his minions distribute flyers all across the southern states claiming that John McCain had fathered illegitimate mixed-race babies with black women while his wife lay terminally ill, in the hospital. And so voters all across the south ran to the polls to vote for George Bush, as a vote AGAINST that "nig-loving, adulteror", John McCain.

And then when Bush ran against John Kerry in the general election, Karl Rove had his minions spread the lie, nation-wide, that John Kerry was a phony war hero. That his medals were based on a phony story he and others told about his heroic actions in Vietnam. And again, the ignorant nationalists ran to the polls to vote for Bush, as a way of voting AGAINST the "phony war hero", John Kerry.

And of course we all remember the "Kenyan-Muslim" lies about Barrack Obama. And the endless accusations of all sorts against Hillary Clinton.

For at least 35-40 years, now, the republican party has been deliberately telling lies to stir up anger and hatred among the especially ignorant and prejudiced American voters, so as to aim it at their political opponents, to win elections. And it's worked well for them. Meanwhile, tabloid mogul Rupert Murdock, and radio talk jock Rush Limbaugh discovered that they could develop and hold a large media audience doing much the same thing. That is telling sensational lies about democrats and liberals and black and whomever, that pander to American bias and prejudice and paranoia, to keep people watching and listening to their ad-feed (for profit). And that has worked very well for them, too.

Because sadly, when these unscrupulous people cater to our bias, and our prejudice, and our fear of each other, we respond just as they'd hoped we would. And the result is that we are now in an ongoing state of hyper anxiety and loathing for each other. And as bad as it's gotten, I see little evidence to suggest that this will stop anytime soon. Because it's not going to stop so long as we keep falling for the lies. And for some reason we like hating on each other even more than we are willing to hate the lies and the promoters of all this hatred. Even when they're using it to destroy us, for their own gain.
 
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bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Because sadly, when these unscrupulous people cater our bias, and prejudice, and fear, we respond just as they'd hoped we would. And the result is that we are now in a state of hyper anxiety and blame against each other. And as bad as it has gotten, I see little evidence to suggest that this will stop anytime soon. Because it's not going to stop so long as we keep falling for the lies. And for some reason we like hating on each other even more than we are willing to hate the promoters of all this hatred. Even when they are using it to destroy us for their own gain.

Fox's numbers are falling
Trump's numbers are horrible
Republican's numbers are tanking

It seems we finally reached the tipping point. Time will tell
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Lib journalists framing a picture of Trump and Republicans as racists is what I see. But everybody who voted for Trump and is not a racist knows better.
 
Is there a way for the Republican party to come out of this as a valid contender to the Democratic party for future elections or is America going to be a one party system for a while?

People were announcing the demise of the Republican Party before the last election. I seem to have a vague recollection of them announcing their demise at various points over the past decade too.

It would be silly to rule them out of the next election, let alone the ones after that.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Fox's numbers are falling
Trump's numbers are horrible
Republican's numbers are tanking

It seems we finally reached the tipping point. Time will tell
Yes, there is a glimmer of hope, in that we do seem to finally be getting sick and tired of all the lies, and all the animosity they generate.

But so far it has not yet resulted in any actual ratcheting back, of these, or in any changes that might permanently eliminate it.
 

HonestJoe

Well-Known Member
It will not be forgotten, it will be eclisped by the next stupid thing he does.
Whatever you call it, the effect is the same. The point is that in the general public eye (rather than of explicit opponents such as yourself), this is a series of things one after the other rather than any kind of build-up. They’re not going to bring Trump down, let alone the Republican party.

What political parties have survived worse?
Well, the Republican’s own Richard Nixon jumps to mind. They survived that and nothing Trump has done (yet, admittedly) comes close to Nixon’s crimes.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Lib journalists framing a picture of Trump and Republicans as racists is what I see. But everybody who voted for Trump and is not a racist knows better.
Except that racists never know they are racists. They always think they're just "realists". So really, they don't know anything.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Donald Trump is done unless there's some miracle in the works.

The republican party has a problem though, Trumps base is their base and it has a high concentration of racism comparativily. What this means is that the voters are not going to abandon him. Donald Trump will keep the racists and the fiscal conservatives. The swing voters however are going to abandon Trump and the republican party in groves and they will lose seats and presidential elections for years to come if they can't abandon the racism.

The world does not have a problem with fiscal conservatism but because it minimizes Government subsidizes to everyone particularly minorities, racists are attracted to it. The Republicans need to come out and take a hard stand against racism because of how fiscal conservatism can be made to look racist. If they don't they will lose the swing voters. If they do make a stand they will lose some of the racists. The prospect does not look good either way.

Is there a way for the Republican party to come out of this as a valid contender to the Democratic party for future elections or is America going to be a one party system for a while?
No. The Republican party is fine. The Democrats clearly can be considered a party of racists however, givin it's history.

 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
Donald Trump is done unless there's some miracle in the works.

The republican party has a problem though, Trumps base is their base and it has a high concentration of racism comparativily. What this means is that the voters are not going to abandon him. Donald Trump will keep the racists and the fiscal conservatives. The swing voters however are going to abandon Trump and the republican party in groves and they will lose seats and presidential elections for years to come if they can't abandon the racism.

The world does not have a problem with fiscal conservatism but because it minimizes Government subsidizes to everyone particularly minorities, racists are attracted to it. The Republicans need to come out and take a hard stand against racism because of how fiscal conservatism can be made to look racist. If they don't they will lose the swing voters. If they do make a stand they will lose some of the racists. The prospect does not look good either way.

Is there a way for the Republican party to come out of this as a valid contender to the Democratic party for future elections or is America going to be a one party system for a while?
Racism hasn't appeared to be a problem for the Republican Party in the past, so I don't see how it will be a problem in the near future.

When racism was pointed out in this past election, the Republican response wasn't "Oh, crap, yeah let's get rid of that sort of rhetoric." It was "How dare you call us racists!" and "Stop being so politically correct."

I consistently hear people claiming that the "name-calling" caused them to double-down on Donald Trump. I consistently hear people claiming that it is "political correctness" and "identity politics" that cost the Democrats the election.

In other words, racism isn't a liability in this current political climate. It's fighting against racism that apparently turns people away.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Lib journalists framing a picture of Trump and Republicans as racists is what I see. But everybody who voted for Trump and is not a racist knows better.

Except the Racists themselves are praising Trumps comments and thanking him.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Whatever you call it, the effect is the same. The point is that in the general public eye (rather than of explicit opponents such as yourself), this is a series of things one after the other rather than any kind of build-up. They’re not going to bring Trump down, let alone the Republican party.

Well, the Republican’s own Richard Nixon jumps to mind. They survived that and nothing Trump has done (yet, admittedly) comes close to Nixon’s crimes.

Nixion was singled out from the party but it did cost them the next election. Trump's base is included in his loss, they are still ravidly supporting him. Trumps base is a major part of the Republican base. It is the swing voters that are being effected.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
No. The Republican party is fine. The Democrats clearly can be considered a party of racists however, givin it's history.


Times change and I am not discounting the fact that the Democrats where the racist party of the past but Today it is the Republicans that are more racist.
 

Kuzcotopia

If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
The republican party has always been the 'party of the rich'. That is, it has always basically served the interests of the wealthy elite. But as this wealthy elite has shrunk in numbers, so dramatically in the last 40-50 years, the party could no longer win elections on their votes, alone. So they had to find ways to cultivate the votes of non-wealthy citizens, even though those citizens would be voting for a party that had no intention of serving their interests.

Karl Rove found the solution during G.W. Bush's run for governor of Texas. Bush was not the popular candidate, and was not likely to win the election. So Karl Rove had his minions put inflammatory flyers on the cars in fundamentalist evangelical church parking lots all across Texas, on Sundays while their owners were in church, falsely claiming that Bush's opponent, Anne Richards, was a homosexual. And it worked like magic! Those Christians ran to the polls in droves on election day to vote for G.W. Bush, as a vote AGAINST the supposed homosexual sinner, Anne Richards. And Bush won the election.

Later, when Bush ran against McCain in the republican presidential primary, Karl Rove used the same trick, again. Only this time he had his minions distribute flyers all across the southern states claiming that John McCain had fathered illegitimate mixed-race babies with black women while his wife lay terminally ill, in the hospital. And so voters all across the south ran to the polls to vote for George Bush, as a vote AGAINST that "nig-loving, adulteror", John McCain.

And then when Bush ran against John Kerry in the general election, Karl Rove had his minions spread the lie, nation-wide, that John Kerry was a phony war hero. That his medals were based on a phony story he and others told about his heroic actions in Vietnam. And again, the ignorant nationalists ran to the polls to vote for Bush, as a way of voting AGAINST the "phony war hero", John Kerry.

And of course we all remember the "Kenyan-Muslim" lies about Barrack Obama. And the endless accusations of all sorts against Hillary Clinton.

For at least 35-40 years, now, the republican party has been deliberately telling lies to stir up anger and hatred among the especially ignorant and prejudiced American voters, so as to aim it at their political opponents, to win elections. And it's worked well for them. Meanwhile, tabloid mogul Rupert Murdock, and radio talk jock Rush Limbaugh discovered that they could develop and hold a large media audience doing much the same thing. That is telling sensational lies about democrats and liberals and black and whomever, that pander to American bias and prejudice and paranoia, to keep people watching and listening to their ad-feed (for profit). And that has worked very well for them, too.

Because sadly, when these unscrupulous people cater to our bias, and our prejudice, and our fear of each other, we respond just as they'd hoped we would. And the result is that we are now in an ongoing state of hyper anxiety and loathing for each other. And as bad as it's gotten, I see little evidence to suggest that this will stop anytime soon. Because it's not going to stop so long as we keep falling for the lies. And for some reason we like hating on each other even more than we are willing to hate the lies and the promoters of all this hatred. Even when they're using it to destroy us, for their own gain.

One of the best and most concise explanations why so many on the right end up voting against their own best economic and social interests.

"Making Librul Tears" has become a real campaign platform. . . With decades of constant vitriol against liberals in the history books by RWM, the world "liberal" is so reviled, many people would rather vote for an unqualified charlitan and sell out their morality and their own economic interests.

If your reason for voting Trump is "at least he's not Clinton," then you bought into it too.
 
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