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The Republicans are the Problem

1robin

Christian/Baptist
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tytlyf

Not Religious
I heard it on a local radio show. It sounds impossible but the guy that was on in the mornings was pretty reliable. It will be hard to find but I will look.

I think this article addresses the concept but not the example: Still a Better Deal: Private Investment vs. Social Security | Michael D. Tanner | Cato Institute: Policy Analysis
or this one:
A Plan for Privatizing Social Security

I'm guessing it was Rushy. You should fact check what he says. On monday he said he used to be a Lawyer. I doubt anyone bothered to even notice. Rushy likes to mention Cato.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
I'm guessing it was Rushy. You should fact check what he says. On monday he said he used to be a Lawyer. I doubt anyone bothered to even notice. Rushy likes to mention Cato.
No, I said it was a local guy. Dale Jackson maybe. I like Rush but don't usually have a chance to catch him.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
It wasn't a republican president that inherited 6% unemployement and spent more money than any other president in us history to get us to over 8% unemployment. It wasn't a republican that took God out of their platform or said you "didn't build it". Nor was it a republican that has increased government (the most ineffecient orginization is history) by over 20% in 3 years.
 

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
It wasn't a republican president that inherited 6% unemployement and spent more money than any other president in us history to get us to over 8% unemployment. It wasn't a republican that took God out of their platform or said you "didn't build it". Nor was it a republican that has increased government (the most ineffecient orginization is history) by over 20% in 3 years.
Well, I can understand why you like Limbaugh. He doesn't clutter up the mind with factual information. For example, he won't remind you that the Democratic president inherited the worst economic meltdown since the Great Depression or that job losses were coming in at a rate of 800,000 per month. He won't tell you that a Democratic platform committee wrote the "God"-less language and that Obama personally intervened, much to the displeasure of many of his supporters, to include references to "God". He also won't remind you that "that" in "You didn't build that" actually referred to the things that government built--i.e. infrastructure such as roads, bridges, schools, etc.--and not the businesses that people built on top of the infrastructure. And he also won't tell you that past Republican presidents have also raised taxes and expanded government. No, Rush won't clutter your mind with actual facts. That's not what his fans want to hear.
 

MD

qualiaphile
Well, I can understand why you like Limbaugh. He doesn't clutter up the mind with factual information. For example, he won't remind you that the Democratic president inherited the worst economic meltdown since the Great Depression or that job losses were coming in at a rate of 800,000 per month. He won't tell you that a Democratic platform committee wrote the "God"-less language and that Obama personally intervened, much to the displeasure of many of his supporters, to include references to "God". He also won't remind you that "that" in "You didn't build that" actually referred to the things that government built--i.e. infrastructure such as roads, bridges, schools, etc.--and not the businesses that people built on top of the infrastructure. And he also won't tell you that past Republican presidents have also raised taxes and expanded government. No, Rush won't clutter your mind with actual facts. That's not what his fans want to hear.

My uncle is in financial mathematics, he works for a major bank but is involved purely in the mathematical side of things. No lie, he said that we will not have the same rate of economic growth we had in the 90s or early 00s for decades. And that there are more and more problems coming.

Now you add in the very real possibility of a war with Iran, climate change, etc and we seem to be heading for a catastrophe. Bush damaged the economy severely to the point of reaching collapse. If Romney wins, America can kiss whatever prosperity it has goodbye.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
My uncle is in financial mathematics, he works for a major bank but is involved purely in the mathematical side of things. No lie, he said that we will not have the same rate of economic growth we had in the 90s or early 00s for decades. And that there are more and more problems coming.
Now you add in the very real possibility of a war with Iran, climate change, etc and we seem to be heading for a catastrophe. Bush damaged the economy severely to the point of reaching collapse. If Romney wins, America can kiss whatever prosperity it has goodbye.
If Bush was so bad, then wouldn't Obama's continuing the same policies make him bad too?
But if you believe them different, how long must we endure failure before we say to ourselves,
"Gee....maybe it's not just Bush....maybe Obama is doing a bad job."?

But here is the most compelling reason to retire the empty chair....
http://www.france24.com/en/20120907-madonna-backs-obama-literally
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It wasn't a republican president that inherited 6% unemployement and spent more money than any other president in us history to get us to over 8% unemployment. It wasn't a republican that took God out of their platform or said you "didn't build it". Nor was it a republican that has increased government (the most ineffecient orginization is history) by over 20% in 3 years.
We need less God, & more Milton Friedman.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
If Bush was so bad, then wouldn't Obama's continuing the same policies make him bad too?
I don't see Obama out there continuing the policy of starting wars over lies. That's a big one. Can't blame Bushy though, god was part of his foreign policy.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I don't see Obama out there continuing the policy of starting wars over lies. That's a big one. Can't blame Bushy though, god was part of his foreign policy.
I'd rank his continuing wars based on lies to be just as bad.
And I tire of Obama's invoking God too.
(They're both Xians, you know.)

Put this heathen in charge, & I'd end the wars overnight.
I don't hate Muslims, & I don't want any of them hating us.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
Well, I can understand why you like Limbaugh. He doesn't clutter up the mind with factual information. For example, he won't remind you that the Democratic president inherited the worst economic meltdown since the Great Depression or that job losses were coming in at a rate of 800,000 per month.
Well this is tactic number one. Blame someone else. He inherited 6% unemployment, made it much worse, then said if we let him spend a TRILLION dollars then uneployment would never top 8%, he did and it did anyway. The only reason he inherited any high unemployment is that the democrats told the republicans they were crazy in 02 hearings where Mccain and others told them that Fanny Mae, Freddy Mack , and the whole housing bubble that carter and clinton made was going to burst, which it did. He apparently gave all the money to the rich banks and bogus green energy idiots because only they didn't suffer, they just made others suffer. He has since spent an additional TRILLION every year we do not have and it has only gotten worse and worse.



He won't tell you that a Democratic platform committee wrote the "God"-less language and that Obama personally intervened, much to the displeasure of many of his supporters, to include references to "God".
I am sure he did. I am sure the president just could not get his own DNC party to put God on the platform again. The same president that denounced the bible in public, made Notre Dame cover up their cross, and sat in a hate filled Church for twenty years and then said he didn't know what they taught. In fact apparently he could not get any cooperation for the first two years of his presedency within his own party either because among everything else he blames he also says he was resisted for the past 4 years by congress. Apparently he will throw any one under the bus to save his neck.



He also won't remind you that "that" in "You didn't build that" actually referred to the things that government built--i.e. infrastructure such as roads, bridges, schools, etc.--and not the businesses that people built on top of the infrastructure
The government produces nothing. Those same buisnesses that Obama has done everything possible to destroy send the government the money that it pockets a large percentage of and promises to give away another percentage of to people who will not work, and only spend what little is left on infrastructure. Buisness built it all, the government was just a collasally ineffeciant self justifying middle man.


And he also won't tell you that past Republican presidents have also raised taxes and expanded government. No, Rush won't clutter your mind with actual facts. That's not what his fans want to hear.
Your absession with Rush is disturbing. I did not get a single thing I said from him. This is just sick. Obama has spent more money that any previous president, maybe all of them combined, has done the most harm, and least good, and then taken more credit, and given more blame for less reason than any past president. Your Rush fetish aside the Health care plan alone will bankrupt a country already up to it's grand childrens eyes in debt and wreck the greatest health care system in human history along the way. I do not expect any better from a party that believes killing murderers is wrong but killing babies for no other reason than birth control is just fine.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Your absession with Rush is disturbing. I did not get a single thing I said from him. This is just sick. Obama has spent more money that any previous president, maybe all of them combined,
I think you do have an obsession with Rush. You just don't admit it. Almost everything you talk about I've heard Rush either say or start.

You need to fact check more often what they tell you. Here's a new Forbes piece that says that President Obama has actually spent less than all President's since Eisenhower. Your pal Rushy wouldn't mention it.

Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama? - Forbes

Yep, Obama's a Big Spender...Just Like His Predecessors - Forbes
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
I think you do have an obsession with Rush. You just don't admit it. Almost everything you talk about I've heard Rush either say or start.
I don't want to get any of your cumpulsive obsession with Rush on me. I don't do crazy.

You need to fact check more often what they tell you. Here's a new Forbes piece that says that President Obama has actually spent less than all President's since Eisenhower. Your pal Rushy wouldn't mention it.
That is about as far from true as a statement can possibly get. Cognative dissonance must be a virtue on the left.



Barack Obama tripled the national deficit in his first year in office. His second year in office the deficit was at $1.29 Trillion dollars. This year he will top it again.
There’s a reason why the state-run media won’t show you this chart.

This chart was updated to reflect the recent news that the deficit this year will reach $1.6 trillion. (The Captain’s Comments)
Barack Obama blamed Bush today for the national deficit that he just tripled in one year.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...-bush-for-the-deficit-he-tripled-in-one-year/

Here is the truth about your "numbers" :
The Obama campaign has issued a chart, which has been dutifully reported as news by NBC, which has lit up Facebook and Twitter over the past couple days. It purports to show that Federal spending hasn’t increased much under Obama but increased substantially under Bush. It is of course a complete manipulation of numbers. In order to believe the chart, you have to ignore the fact that under Bush Federal spending was just under $7 billion per day and under Obama it has been over $9 billion. But that’s just the beginning of what one has to ignore to believe the Obama chart.

Here is more:
A bogus report published by MarketWatch Tuesday claiming "under Obama, federal spending is rising at the slowest pace since Dwight Eisenhower brought the Korean War to an end in the 1950s" has been all the rage at the White House and MSNBC.

Read more: White House and MSNBC Cite Bogus Report Claiming 'Obama Spending Binge Never Happened' | NewsBusters.org


You need to spend a little more time fact checking your information used to vote in the only guy in our history that can and probably will destroy this country thanks to the efforts of people that print and believe that garbage, and stop obessing over a talk radio personality I almost never hear.
 

Wirey

Fartist
While I don't see Obama as any kind of saviour, a lot of the money he had to spend was to cover horrible policy decisions made by Dubya.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Fact checking is your friend 1robin.

The 2009 budget was Bush's budget, which Obama inherited from him. Don't you recall the trillion dollar bank bail-out Bush crammed through before leaving office?
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
Fact checking is your friend 1robin.

The 2009 budget was Bush's budget, which Obama inherited from him. Don't you recall the trillion dollar bank bail-out Bush crammed through before leaving office?
Ditto, I actually looked for the justification for it's inclusion. It had something to do with what policies were voted on by who. I will see if I can find it again. Even if it should not have been included the rest would more than make the case.

In theory, one could claim that the budget was already locked in when Obama took office, but that’s not really the case. Most of the appropriations bills had not been passed, and certainly the stimulus bill was only signed into law after Obama took office.
Bush had rescued Fannie and Freddie Mac and launched the Troubled Asset Relief Program, which depending on how you dothemath, was a one-time expense of $250 billion to $400 billion in the final months of his presidency. (The federal government ultimately recouped most of the TARP money.) So if you really want to be fair, perhaps $250 billion of that money should be taken out of the equation — on the theory that it would have been spent no matter who was president.
The facts about the growth of spending under Obama - The Washington Post

By the way I do not support Bush's bailout either. Unlike many on the left I determine what is right based on truth not on who I like and do not. It is also forgotten very often that the recession was caused by the housing bubble. The bubble was started by Carter and exapanded by Clinton. It was pointed out in hearings in 02 I believe by Mccain and others. I have seen the video. Every Democrat said that the program was fine and the republicans were crazy. Then a few years later it actually popped and these scum bags blamed the people who tried to stop it from happening.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Ditto, I actually looked for the justification for it's inclusion. It had something to do with what policies were voted on by who. I will see if I can find it again. Even if it should not have been included the rest would more than make the case.

In theory, one could claim that the budget was already locked in when Obama took office, but that’s not really the case. Most of the appropriations bills had not been passed, and certainly the stimulus bill was only signed into law after Obama took office.
Bush had rescued Fannie and Freddie Mac and launched the Troubled Asset Relief Program, which depending on how you dothemath, was a one-time expense of $250 billion to $400 billion in the final months of his presidency. (The federal government ultimately recouped most of the TARP money.) So if you really want to be fair, perhaps $250 billion of that money should be taken out of the equation — on the theory that it would have been spent no matter who was president.
The facts about the growth of spending under Obama - The Washington Post

By the way I do not support Bush's bailout either. Unlike many on the left I determine what is right based on truth not on who I like and do not. It is also forgotten very often that the recession was caused by the housing bubble. The bubble was started by Carter and exapanded by Clinton. It was pointed out in hearings in 02 I believe by Mccain and others. I have seen the video. Every Democrat said that the program was fine and the republicans were crazy. Then a few years later it actually popped and these scum bags blamed the people who tried to stop it from happening.

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Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
It seems easy to forget, especially if you are a conservative, that the conservative former head of the Federal Reserve, Alan Greenspan, completely failed to recognize that we had a housing bubble until the bubble burst. Greenspan's educational background is in economics, he is a Randian Objectivist, and a self-admitted fool.
 

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
Well this is tactic number one. Blame someone else. He inherited 6% unemployment, made it much worse, then said if we let him spend a TRILLION dollars then uneployment would never top 8%, he did and it did anyway. The only reason he inherited any high unemployment is that the democrats told the republicans they were crazy in 02 hearings where Mccain and others told them that Fanny Mae, Freddy Mack , and the whole housing bubble that carter and clinton made was going to burst, which it did. He apparently gave all the money to the rich banks and bogus green energy idiots because only they didn't suffer, they just made others suffer. He has since spent an additional TRILLION every year we do not have and it has only gotten worse and worse.
You really need to check your facts with sources other than right wing historical revisionists. You can look up unemployment figures at the Bureau of Labor Statistics web site. You will see that Obama did not inherit 6% unemployment. He took office in late January 2009, when unemployment was at 7.8% and going through the roof. Bush himself initiated TARP and asked for money to fund the auto bailout. Congress authorized the automotive bailout before Obama took office, but at the urging of Obama in December.

I am sure he did. I am sure the president just could not get his own DNC party to put God on the platform again. The same president that denounced the bible in public, made Notre Dame cover up their cross, and sat in a hate filled Church for twenty years and then said he didn't know what they taught. In fact apparently he could not get any cooperation for the first two years of his presedency within his own party either because among everything else he blames he also says he was resisted for the past 4 years by congress. Apparently he will throw any one under the bus to save his neck.
The original language didn't need to mention the word "God". It was already a blatant endorsement of state support for religious activities. It was Obama's decision alone to alter the language to take away what he perceived as a bogus issue drummed up by Fox News. It is utterly hypocritical for a member of the Tea-Party-whipped Republican Party to point a finger of blame at Obama for not getting his party to march in lockstep with his every decision. Both parties have dissension in their ranks, and he actually got very significant legislation passed in his first two years. He made some very unpopular decisions to bring it off, but that is what we expect of our presidents.

The government produces nothing. Those same buisnesses that Obama has done everything possible to destroy send the government the money that it pockets a large percentage of and promises to give away another percentage of to people who will not work, and only spend what little is left on infrastructure. Buisness built it all, the government was just a collasally ineffeciant self justifying middle man.
What a web of lies Republicans spin over the role of government in producing jobs. And the lies are even more hypocritical when spun by people who have government jobs or businesses that depend on government contracts. The main reason why the recovery has been so anemic is the loss of government jobs. The private sector has been experiencing steady job growth under Obama, but Republicans are trying to impose austerity measures on the economy that will drive us right back into severe recession. And your dig at people on unemployment as "unwilling to work" is just blaming the victims of the meltdown of the economy brought about by 8 years of Republican domination. Bush did a remarkable job, didn't he? It originally took three straight Republican presidencies after WWI--Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover--to bring on the Great Depression. Bush almost managed it again, except that Obama managed to stop the hemorrhage and save millions of jobs in his first year in office.

Your absession with Rush is disturbing. I did not get a single thing I said from him. This is just sick. Obama has spent more money that any previous president, maybe all of them combined, has done the most harm, and least good, and then taken more credit, and given more blame for less reason than any past president. Your Rush fetish aside the Health care plan alone will bankrupt a country already up to it's grand childrens eyes in debt and wreck the greatest health care system in human history along the way. I do not expect any better from a party that believes killing murderers is wrong but killing babies for no other reason than birth control is just fine.
Your babbling rant is taking us off-topic. Let's just stick with the economy. Bush himself set up the TARP at the urging of Treasury Secretary Paulson. It doesn't matter whether you approved. Bush didn't like it, but he was staring into the abyss. Paulson, as is typical of Republicans, did not put many restrictions on, or build an audit trail for, the money that was handed out. It took Obama to restore some sense of accountability to the process and to administer the successful bailout of the auto industry, which Romney still argues should have been allowed to collapse. :foot:
 
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Alceste

Vagabond
It seems easy to forget, especially if you are a conservative, that the conservative former head of the Federal Reserve, Alan Greenspan, completely failed to recognize that we had a housing bubble until the bubble burst. Greenspan's educational background is in economics, he is a Randian Objectivist, and a self-admitted fool.

Seems easy to forget quite a lot of things if you're a certain kind of person.

"Often in a German home or office or sometimes in casual conversation with a stranger in a restaurant, a beer hall, a cafe, I would meet with the most outlandish assertions from seemingly educated and intelligent persons. It was obvious that they were parroting some piece of nonsense they heard on the radio or read in the newspapers. Sometimes one was tempted to say as much, but on such occasions one was met with such a stare of incredulity, such a shock of silence, as if one had blasphemed the Almighty, that one realized how useless it was even to try to make contact with a mind which had become warped and for whom the facts of life had become what Hitler and Goebbels, with their cynical disregard for the truth, said they were."

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