The Republicans are the Problem

[tytlyf]

I listen to Hannity

Conversation over.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Isn't private sector job growth doing fine? From what I see there's close to 4.3 million new jobs in the private sector over the last 27 months. It's doing much better than during the Bushy years, that's for sure.

Why are we only going back 27 months? Has not Obama been President longer than that?

Talk about half truths.

 

[1robin]

I never said that. I said all you have to do is visit the comment sections at faux to see how racist their viewers are.

I get so tired of these inaccurate race accusations. There are far more laws, rules, and organisations dedicated to giveing minorities an advantage over the white majority that our society is actually racist against the majority. That I don't mind if that would stop these silly accusations. But no, the race that voted over 90% in favor od the same race president accuses others of racism. I have always heard and found to be true that the more racist a peron is the more they accuse others of racism. None of this is a reflection of you specifically. I don't know nor do I want to know your race. My comments are generalisations but accurate. I would rather dismiss the race portion from our discussion, I only mentioned it because you made an accusation that is false.

The President has done more positive than negative. All you do is just repeat what others tell you. Do you have your own opinion that isn't influenced by propaganda? Please list some more things that you think the president has failed at.

That is about the most biased innacurate statement I have ever heard. The only thing he has done that I agree with is say yes to the seals on the phone to get Osama. Of course he ruined that by taking credit for it every chance he got, and prosecuting the people who aquired the intelligence that led to his killing. Everything else I can think of he has done has been horrible and or despicable. Most economists think health care alone is likely to bankrupt this country in just a few years. Doctors are dropping out of school. Doctors that have children are telling them to find another field. Our insurance rates have sky rocketed, and this thing ain't even rolling yet. Do you want a health care syts run by the same people who run the DMV. Our health care system wasn't perfect but it was the envy of the world. IMO it will be as chaotic and innefficent as the VA system within 5 years. Before you resort to liberal trick no 2 (inaccurately casting financial responsability as insensitivity) let me say that I have nothing against everyone having healthcare. But not when we can't even pay the interest on the debt or keep our credit standing and I sure as heck don't want republicans and especially democrats to have anything to do with it. The only reason they did this was because they have already spent all the social security money and so they needed a new pot of money to steal from.

 

[1robin]

Conversation over.

That says more about you than it does about Hannity or me. Liberal tactic number three. When you have no argument against the message attack the messenger. When you have no justified reason to attack the messenger then just assert that he should be dismissed on no grounds whatsoever.

 

[tytlyf]

Why are we only going back 27 months? Has not Obama been President longer than that?

Talk about half truths.

I'm assuming you've seen the private sector job chart?

 

[tytlyf]

That says more about you than it does about Hannity or me. Liberal tactic number three. When you have no argument against the message attack the messenger. When you have no justified reason to attack the messenger then just assert that he should be dismissed on no grounds whatsoever.

Let me ask you, do you think President Obama would have spent what he did if it wasn't for the Bushy recession?

Do you think President Obama would have won in 2008 if the Bushy 8 weren't such a mess?

Just answer with a simple yes or no.

 

[1robin]

Isn't private sector job growth doing fine? From what I see there's close to 4.3 million new jobs in the private sector over the last 27 months. It's doing much better than during the Bushy years, that's for sure.

These facts disagree.

Devastating Graph Reveals Obama's Unemployment Economy
Of course since this doesn't say what you wished then it must be dismissed I am only interested in what excuse for doing so will be used. By the way the article explaining the details and extensive facts in thei graph can be found at that link.

Lets take a look at one of the lefts shining examples of balanced reporting.
After introducing his first guests, Matthews said, "Today’s jobs report was a mixed bag of course. 115,000 jobs were added to payrolls in April. The unemployment rate did drop to 8.1 percent, the lowest rate since President Obama took office."
No!
As the following chart from the Bureau of Labor Statistics clearly shows, the unemployment rate was 7.3 percent when Obama was sworn in.

However, as Inauguration Day is January 20, most people consider a new president's starting point as far as jobs are concerned to be that January's number. As such, Obama's term began with unemployment at 7.8 percent.
We of course are used to liberal media members distorting economic data for this president's benefit.
But to falsely say unemployment is now at "the lowest rate since" Obama took office is either the height of ignorance, dishonesty, or both.
Sadly, this is pretty commonplace on this so-called "news network" these days.
Read more: Chris Matthews Falsely Claims Unemployment Rate Now 'Lowest' Since 'Obama Took Office' | NewsBusters.org

This isn't even considering the fact that Obama doesn't even count the people who have dropped out of the work force. The actual numbers are far worse than above.

 

[tytlyf]

We are talking about private sector job growth robin. Unemployment has been steadily decreasing. We can all thank Bushy for the mess.

Your chart is a stretch if you ask me. I could understand long-term unemployment to increase after a recession. What was the long-term unemployment during the great depression? It's a shame your chart doesn't go back to that. Being that this is the second worst recession in history, it would be nice if the conservative blogs you visit would include that data for the comparison.

 

[1robin]

Let me ask you, do you think President Obama would have spent what he did if it wasn't for the Bushy recession?

Absolutely, he has been trying to even spend more than he has but even the democrat controlled congress has balked on that one. That is part of the reason they refuse to submit a budget. The only thing about a budget the people who are supposed to propose them have done is say they don't want a republican one or a balanced budget amendment. After all who do we think we are telling the government they can only spend what they have. The reccession began because of the liberal housing loan programs and Bush had little effect on it. I will allow that Obama would not have spent the money on wars that Bush did if you want. However that is a drop in obama's bucket.

Do you think President Obama would have won in 2008 if the Bushy 8 weren't such a mess?

Obama won because he was a novelty plus every one likes a young well spoken cult of personality type. He was also very little known. Now all his strange associations and terrible track record are known. If he gets beat by someone as lame as Romney which looks likely he is truly a joke. Plus he was up against Mccain a great man and a terrible politician. And by the way Obama's approval numbers have been much lower than Bush's at the same time frame when the honey moon was over.

Just answer with a simple yes or no.

NO

 

[1robin]

We are talking about private sector job growth robin. Unemployment has been steadily decreasing. We can all thank Bushy for the mess.

I actually bet a freind of mine how many posts it would take before Liberal tactic no 1 showed up. If you don't actually have an argument just say Bush did it and whatever you don't back that up just assert it and move on. The private sector employment numbers make up the bulk of unemployment. Since Obama has grown governement as fast as he can then the private sector makes up almost all of these numbers which do not even include the ones who have dropped out.

Your chart is a stretch if you ask me. I could understand long-term unemployment to increase after a recession. What was the long-term unemployment during the great depression? It's a shame your chart doesn't go back to that. Being that this is the second worst recession in history, it would be nice if the conservative blogs you visit would include that data for the comparison.

I think you would try and dismiss anything that doesn't agree with you. It's like a part of liberal DNA. If you don't like the actual data ignore it and substitute your own.
Information on the great recession is available in probably a thousand sites. If you want it, it would take about 30 seconds to find. What is it you want it for? I can't wait for this one. The fact that you call charts based on the governments bureau of statistics: mine, a stretch, or made by a conservative blog is evidence that you have a warped sense of reality. The numbers are just the numbers.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Once again is everything that you don't like some how propeganda. I heard the interview he actually says the private sector is fine (on what planet) even inspite of his efforts to destroy it by taxation and regulation. Reagan said it best the governement isn't the solution it's the problem. If Obama would get out of our way America would excell as it always has. Then he also said that our financial problems are the local politician's, Europe's, Arab spring's, or Bush's, etc fault. What a narcissist.

We did let America excell before Obama...now look at where we are. Whoever said our economy was going to dig itself out of the whole the previous administration dug for us? Progress at this point is going to be really slow especially with the world's economy isn't doing so well.....But I get it..it's all his fault....even though most of this crappy situation is ALL out fault. It's easy to blame one man at the top when you're the low man on the totem poll.....The problem is not just the Dems...it the Repubs too.....

 

[tytlyf]

I actually bet a freind of mine how many posts it would take before Liberal tactic no 1 showed up. If you don't actually have an argument just say Bush did it and whatever you don't back that up just assert it and move on.

But Bushy DID do it. Just because Faux and Hannity always say "Blame Bush, oh Blame Bush, can't you people move on?!" when talking about the recession and cause for where we are at, doesn't mean Bushy isn't the reason. That's called "saturation" and is a flat out lie.

Anyone with a brain knows that Bushy is responsible for the recession. Everything you are saying has been repeated multiple times by other conservatives here and on other websites.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I have no doubt that there is some truth to what you say. However it is a universally acknowledged fact that liberals are the party that always taxes and regulates everything to death.

See where we are now after allowing the deregulation of banks...? Come on now.

Since it is hard to blame companies for having trouble being profitable when the guy who changes the light bulbs makes over 40$ an hour (I am not making that up I knew a guy who got paid 40$ hr to change bulbs in federal court rooms).

I once worked many years in the federal government and now I work in local government. I would say that he should have been paid $40hr. I've had the privilege to see what Maintenance and Facility workers do to keep buildings up and running and it isn't an easy job.

 

[1robin]

But Bushy DID do it. Just because Faux and Hannity always say "Blame Bush, oh Blame Bush, can't you people move on?!" when talking about the recession and cause for where we are at, doesn't mean Bushy isn't the reason. That's called "saturation" and is a flat out lie.

Man what a copout. When facts don't agree with you then it must be Bushs' fault, Hannity's, or the 1/3 of congress that the republicans control, or some brainwashing. Good lord man. I know Obama has become well known for never accepting responsability for his mistakes but you don't have to help him. The houseing bubble caused the recession that Obama made worse. That program was begun by Carter (a good man but a terrible president), it was made far bigger and top heavy by Clinton (a despicable person but not a complete failure as president). In 2002 there were congressional hearings to show that those housing programs were going to bust soon. I have seen the videos from this have you?. The democrats told the republicans they were wrong and the democrats said there was nothing wrong with those programs and did nothing. Several years later those democrat programs fell apart and they and you blame Bush. That's nuts. With the exception of one post you have not stated anything but bizarre opinions.

Anyone with a brain knows that Bushy is responsible for the recession. Everything you are saying has been repeated multiple times by other conservatives here and on other websites.

Why don't you go and read the official reports done by economic scholars (there is three I think) who are infinately more qualified than you who say the opposite. If you don't start baseing your claims in fact rather than conjecture then I have nothing to gain by continueing this discussion. Every claim you make is the opposite from cold hard facts. Like I said reveiw those official reports if you actually care what the truth was. By the way you do know that the democrat controlled congress under Obama had the lowest approval numbers in history don't you (in the teens I think). I can't wait to see how Hannity caused that one.

 

[1robin]

See where we are now after allowing the deregulation of banks...? Come on now.

Actually they should heve been complete deregulated and they should have been allowed to fail. All we did was feed the problem.

I once worked many years in the federal government and now I work in local government. I would say that he should have been paid $40hr. I've had the privilege to see what Maintenance and Facility workers do to keep buildings up and running and it isn't an easy job.

I worked for the government for nine years as a soldier and now am in DOD contract stuff. I worked way harder than any maintenance guy ever did and made far less. Since I knew this guy I know your claim is innacurate at least in his case. He didn't do anything but change light bulbs. When I asked him about it he said his union did not permit anyone to work outside a specific set of tasks. What kind of crap is that. You have to pay a guy an unbelieveable amount of money and can't get him to do anything not on his stewards checklist. That is hardly free enterprise. I worked for years in the shipyards they had pipefitter, and metal workers unions. Those guys sat around and smoked dope all weak so they would have to come in on the weakend and make approx 100$ hr for what they should have had done by teusday. How can a company survive if their workers are highly paid to do only a specific set of mundain tasks. The free market would regulate all this if left alone with minimal regulation. Of course I am not suggesting no regulations at all just far less. As far as unions go they once had a legitimate purpose but like most things it has grown into a parasite that kills the host and then moves on to another. I have many years of experience in commercial aviation and the unions completely devestated the whole industry.

 

[Jacksnyte]

Republicrats, Demicans: good cop, bad cop, same backers! the 2-party system has been broken for many decades! We shouldn't have to choose the lesser of two evils! I think an extreme limit on campaign budgets, equal funding for all candidates , and a cap on salaries would help make it more of a level playground.
Rich guys (the top 1%) who have no idea what it's like to be poor don't represent me, or anyone who isn't near their tax bracket.

 

[1robin]

Republicrats, Demicans: good cop, bad cop, same backers! the 2-party system has been broken for many decades! We shouldn't have to choose the lesser of two evils! I think an extreme limit on campaign budgets, equal funding for all candidates , and a cap on salaries would help make it more of a level playground.
Rich guys who have no idea what it's like to be poor don't represent me, or anyone who isn't near their tax bracket.

I would support most if not all that.

 

[tytlyf]

Man what a copout. When facts don't agree with you then it must be Bushs' fault, Hannity's, or the 1/3 of congress that the republicans control, or some brainwashing.

This is the problem with the 'other side.' If you are not a part of the top 5% in the country, why do you support their ideals?

To me, you sound like the typical person who frequents the fox news comment boards but are more tempered here.

Are you admitting in public that you voted in 2008 for McCain and Palin?

 

[1robin]

This is the problem with the 'other side.' If you are not a part of the top 5% in the country, why do you support their ideals?

I reject your premise but I chose what I think because history has made clear what works and what doesn't. Way to completely ignore all my points because apparently you just can't deal with facts except by yelling propaganda or Bush did it. No wonder your side are the real problem. Not only that, you don't and haven't given any meaningful facts to counter any argument I made. Useless rhetoric is king on the left.

To me, you sound like the typical person who frequents the fox news comment boards but are more tempered here.

Is it possible for you to make a meaningful contention? Also, do you always propose things as true that even if true you can't possibly know. The truth as much as you hate it, is I have never been to a Fox board (whatever that is) and have watched a combined total of less than one hour of fox news. So try again.

Are you admitting in public that you voted in 2008 for McCain and Palin?

Since this is the first time I have seen this and I have never stated it (but don't let that stop you) this question is as baseless as the rest of your comments. If you can't do better that false rhetoric I will soon terminate this useless discussion. As messed up as the left is, your complete lack of a defendable or even a defended position is still a suprise.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Actually they should heve been complete deregulated and they should have been allowed to fail. All we did was feed the problem.

I believe they were regulated to a point and we allowed deregulation and thats when the chiklets hit the fan....and here we are.