The resurrection of Jesus.

[sniper762]

started to read it, read enough to conclude that it was not for me. investigated MANY religions, chose christianity, and i am serene with my relationship with god.

 

[nasir931]

God in the Bible
God in the Qur'an​

BIBLE: RE : Worshipping Human Beings
"In Lystra there sat a man crippled in his feet, who was lame from birth and had never walked. He listen to Paul as he was speaking. Paul looked directly at him, saw that he had faith to be healed and called out, "Stand up on your feet!" at that, the man jumped up and began to walk.
When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in the Lycaonian language, "The gods have come down to us in human form!" Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul they called Hermes because he was the chief speaker." .................................................

Acts 14:8-12​

Qur'an: RE :Worshipping Human Beings​

[ 9:31] They have set up their religious leaders and scholars
as lords, instead of GOD. Others deified the Messiah, son
of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god.
There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having
any partners.
BIBLE: RE :Worshipping Angels

"Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize."

Colossians 2:18​

Qur'an: RE :Worshipping Angels
[ 3:80] Nor would he command you to idolize the angels
and the prophets as lords. Would he exhort you to disbelieve
after becoming submitters? [34:40] On the day when He summons them all, He
will say to the angels, "Did these people worship you?".....................................
BIBLE: RE :Worshipping NO Other Gods

"So Jacob said to his household and to all who were with him, "Get rid of the foreign gods you have with you, and purify yourselves and change your clothes."

Genesis 35:2​

Qur'an: RE :Worshipping NO Other Gods [2:133] Had you witnessed Jacob on his death bed; he said to his children, "What will you worship after I die?" They said, "We will worship your god; the god of your fathers Abraham, Ismail, and Isaac; the one god. To Him we are submitters."
BIBLE: RE :no other gods

(One of the Commandments) "You shall not have no other gods before me."

Exodus 20:3​

Qur'an: RE : no other gods [' 4:36] You shall worship GOD alone - do not associate anything with Him. ....
BIBLE:
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me."

Isaiah 46:9​

Qur'an:
[42:9] Did they find other lords beside Him? GOD is the only Lord and Master. He is the One who resurrects the dead, and He is the Omnipotent One.
[ 42:11] .... There is nothing that equals Him. He is the Hearer, the Seer. -----------------------------------------------------------
BIBLE:
"I am the Lord, and there is no other;
apart from me there is no God."

Isaiah 45:5​

Qur'an:
[ 112:1-4] Proclaim, "He is the One and only GOD. "The Absolute GOD."Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten."None equals Him."
BIBLE: God is the Supreme King
"The Lord brings death and makes alive; he brings down to the grave and raises up.
The Lord sends poverty and wealth; he humbles and he exalts. He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap; he seats them with princes and has them inherit a throne of honor.
For the foundations of the earth are the Lord's; upon them he has set the world."

1 Samuel 2:6-8​

Qur'an: God is the Supreme King
[23:116] Most exalted is GOD, the true Sovereign. There is no other god beside Him; the Most Honorable Lord, possessor of all authority.
[20:114] Most Exalted is GOD, the only true King. ...... [9:116] To GOD belongs the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth. He controls life and death. You have none beside GOD as a Lord and Master.
BIBLE: Omnipresent
"Where can I go from your Spirit: Where can I flee from your presence?
If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I settle on the far side of the sea, even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast.
If I say, "Surely the darkness will hide me and the light become night around me," even the darkness will not be dark to you; the night will shine like the day for darkness is as light to you."

Psalm 139:7-12​

Qur'an: Omnipresent [ 58:7] Do you not realize that GOD knows everything in the heavens
and everything on earth? No three people can conspire secretly without
Him being their fourth, nor five without Him being the sixth, nor less than
that, nor more, without Him being there with them wherever they may be.
Then, on the Day of Resurrection, He will inform them of everything they
had done. GOD is fully aware of all things.
BIBLE: God the ALL Knower


"And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered."

Matthew 10:30​

"He determines the number of the stars and calls them each by name. Great is our Lord and mighty in power his understanding has no limit."

Psalm 147:4-5​

..."and his understanding no one can fathom."

Isaiah 40:28​

Qur'an: God the ALL Knower
[19:93-94] Every single one in the heavens and the earth is a servant of the Most Gracious.He has encompassed them, and has counted them one by one.
[ 3:29] Say, "Whether you conceal your innermost thought, or declare it, GOD is fully aware thereof." He is fully aware of everything in the heavens and the earth. GOD is Omnipotent.
[ 72:28] ...... He (God) has counted the numbers of all things. [31:16] "O my son, know that even something as tiny as a mustard seed, deep inside a rock, be it in the heavens or the earth, GOD will bring it. GOD is Sublime, Cognizant.
BIBLE: God does not Slumber or Sleep

"He(God) will not let your foot slip- he who watches over you will not slumber; indeed, he who watches over Israel will neither slumber nor sleep.

Psalm 121:3-4​

Qur'an:God does not Slumber or Sleep [ 2:255] GOD: there is no other god besides Him, the Living,
the Eternal. Never a moment of unawareness or slumber overtakes Him.
To Him belongs everything in the heavens and everything on earth. Who
could intercede with Him, except in accordance with His will? He knows
their past, and their future. No one attains any knowledge, except as He
wills. His dominion encompasses the heavens and the earth, and ruling
them never burdens Him. He is the Most High, the Great.
BIBLE: God is Just "The fear of the Lord is pure, enduring forever.
The ordinances of the Lord are sure and altogether righteous."

Psalm 19:9​

Qur'an: God is Just [3:18] GOD bears witness that there is no god except He, and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge. Truthfully and equitably, He is the absolute god; there is no god but He, the Almighty, Most Wise.




DISAGREE.......

God in the Bible
God in the Qur'an​

BIBLE:
"And God said, let us make a man in our image, after our likeness." Genesis 1:26
Qur'an:
"Say He is God, the One and Only God, the Eternal, Absolute. He begets not, nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him!" Qur'an112:1-4
BIBLE:
"For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day He RESTED, and was REFRESHED" Exo. 31:17
Qur'an:
"We have created the heavens and the earth, and everything between them in six days, and no fatigue touched us. " Qur'an 50:38
BIBLE:
6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually.
6:6 And the LORD repented that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Genesis 6:5-6
Qur'an:
"With Him (God) are the keys to all secrets; none knows them except He. He knows everything on land and in the sea. Not a leaf falls without His knowledge. Nor is there a grain in the depths of the soil. Nor is there anything wet or dry, that is not recorded in a profound record. Qur'an 6:59

 

[nasir931]

BIBLE: "With the pure you show yourself pure and with the crooked you show yourself perverse" 2Samuel 22:27
Qur'an: "O you who believe stand out firmly for justice as witnesses to God even as against yourselves or your parents or your kin." Qur'an 4:135
BIBLE:
"And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the son of man had built. And the Lord said, 'Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they can do; and nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. Come, let us go down; and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of the earth, and they left off building the city. Therefore its name was called bable, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth." Genesis 11:5-9.
Qur'an:[49:13]
"O people, we created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes, that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of GOD is the most righteous. GOD is Omniscient, Cognizant. "



BIBLE: "We conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law." Roman 3:28
Qur'an: "Do men think that they will be left alone on saying we believe and they will not be tested? But, we did test those before them and God will certainly know those who are true from those who are false." Qur'an 29:1
BIBLE: [Psalm 13:1] How long will you forget me, O Lord.
Qur'an: He said, "The knowledge thereof is with my Lord in a record. My Lord never errs, nor does He forget. " [20:52]
BIBLE:
AWAKE, WHY DO YOU SLEEP, O LORD ? [Psalm 4:23] Then the Lord AWAKED AS ONE OUT OF SLEEP, and like a mighty man that shouts by reason of wine. [Psalm 4:23]
Qur'an: GOD: there is no other god besides Him, the Living, the Eternal. Never a moment of unawareness or slumber overtakes Him. [2:255]
BIBLE:
God said to Jesus, "You are my son today I have begotten you" [Heb.5:5] God said to David, "You are my son today I have begotten you"[Psalm2:7]
Qur'an:
[112:1] Proclaim, "He is the One and only GOD. "The Absolute GOD. "Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten.
[19:88-95] They said, "The Most Gracious has begotten a son"! You have uttered a gross blasphemy. The heavens are about to shatter, the earth is about to tear asunder, and the mountains are about to crumble. Because they claim that the Most Gracious has begotten a son. It is not befitting the Most Gracious that He should beget a son.Every single one in the heavens and the earth is a servant of the Most Gracious. He has encompassed them, and has counted them one by one.All of them will come before Him on the Day of Resurrection as individuals.
BIBLE:
The Lord said, "I will break my covenant with them" [Levi. 26:44]
You said O Lord: My covenant will I not break..
38 But you cast off and abhorred, you have been wroth with your annointed. You have made void the covenant of your servant.
43 You have made all his enemies to rejoice, you have also turned the edge of his sword, and have made him to stand in the battle 46 HOW LONG WILL YOU HIDE YOURSELF FOR EVER? [Psalm 89:19]
Qur'an: Such is GOD's promise - and GOD never breaks His promise - but most people do not know.[30:6]
BIBLE:
"And the Lord said, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
9:6 Slay utterly old [and] young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom [is] the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the elderly men who [were] before the house.
9:7 And he said to them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city. Ezek. 9:5-7
Qur'an:
[60:8]
"GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable. " "If they withdraw from you and fight you not, but (instead) send you (guarantees of) peace, then God alloweth no way for you (to war against them)" (4:90). "If the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God" (8:61).



Please Think Deeply In It But With Clear & Open Mind As You Are A Grace Ful Person
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AND I AM REALLY VERY SORRY IF I HURTED YOUR FEELINGS
Nasir Mehmood

 

[sniper762]

Qur'an:
"We have created the heavens and the earth, and everything between them in six days, and no fatigue touched us. " Qur'an 50:38

WHO IS "WE"

 

[javajo]

In the book of Acts, Philip comes upon a man reading from Isaiah 53 and shows him how the Old Testament Prophets prophecied of Jesus and how he would suffer and die for our sins. Basicaly there are hundreds of Old Testament prophecies that Jesus fulfilled:

26And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.
27And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
28Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
29Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
30And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, (Isaiah) and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
32The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
33In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
34And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. 39And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. Isaiah 53:12

And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left.
And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors. Mark 15:27-29


I believe God is one God yet with three persons, the one-in-three or three-in-one, they are all God, singular or may I say manifestations of God to us. Still one God. This is why David prophesied in the Old Testament:

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Psalms 110:1

41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? 46And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions. Mathew 22 41-46

 

[nasir931]

My Dear Friend I and We are both Use For "Allah" Because it doesn't make any difference.

Now you Look in This Word "Allah" can't be written in plural forms you can't write it "Allahs" Allah word has no plural

God is the translation of this word for your understanding because you people uses the word God

But God can be Plural It can be written as "Gods" so if you write gods instead of god it would be the wrong interpretation of "word Allah"

Allah is the arabic word you can get it's meaning from your fellow beings of Arab.
I mean Christians that resides in Arab Well understands the word Allah.

And i am referring you is the translation of Qur'an Not The Orignol you can Well understand this word by seeing yourself the translated version of qur'an with arabic

All the translations of quran are with its orignal scripture that is in Arabic.

So Please read the quran for deep understanding of your this statement and then reply me.

 

[nasir931]

Here is a Link Where you can find Orignol Quran with English translation of it Line By Line
Noble Quran Arabic with English Translation by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, PDF, Free Download

 

[angellous_evangellous]

How do you know it's a copy, if it's the oldest scrap in existence?

OK, regarding P52....

We know it's a copy because it is a page from a completed [now lost] codex. This we know because we can place the fragment on a completed page that does exist and it lines up.

The papyri codex had to have originated in or near Egypt, and not in the vicinity of Ephesus. Even if it were not written in Ephesus, Egypt is quite a ways from the centers of earliest Christianity (Rome, Corinth, Ephesus, Jerusalem, Antioch, Galatia).

Finally, and most importantly, the writing of John occurred in many stages. It wasn't just written one day and then copied another. It was written and then other things were added and revised. This fragment is from a completed codex.

 

[Autodidact]

{"Holy Qur'an Tells The Truth About Physical Resurrection OF Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him)}

"That they (the wrong-doers) said (in boast), 'We killed the Christ Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah';- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them [or it appeared so unto them], and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not: Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise."

O.K., now all you have to do is explain why on earth we would take the qur'an as any more authoritative a source than the New Testament. Good luck with that.

You forget that unlike you we were not brainwashed to view the qur'an as the word of God from the age before reason.

 

[Autodidact]

Hi, I humbly respect that your scriptures teach Jesus was not crucified. Of course as a Christian, I believe he was. Without going into it too deeply, I simply believe the eyewitness accounts of those present at the time, I believe they were accurate and true and passed down to us in our Bible. I know many do not believe that and that's fine. I simply believe, as one would in a court of law, the eyewitnesses as opposed to another scripture, which I do respect, that came 500 some years later and said he was not crucified. I believe the accounts closer to the actual event to be stronger evidence. Thanks.

And what eye-witness accounts might those be? Where did you find them? Because your Bible doesn't contain a single one.

Nothing in the new testament would be admissible in a court of law; it's all hearsay.

 

[Autodidact]

And For Your Information Sir "Muhammad (PBUH) was the messenger of God As Jesus was the messenger of god and you can confirm about jesus from the references i have made and if god will be with you then you will find the truth. I can also provide you more refrences from bible

Thanks for sharing your ancient myth-system; it's fascinating. Now can we get back to facts? Thanks.

 

[Autodidact]

i agree that there should be no trinity and through my interpretation of the scriptures, do not believe that the bible teaches of such.

but i DO believe that jesus is the son of god, made flesh here on earth, was crucified, rose from the dead and returned to his father in heaven as planned, for the atonement for our sins.

O.K., now that you're all done sharing your various bizarre beliefs, can we get back to reality? Thanks.

 

[Autodidact]

its from the same way that you believe that he is not. faith in my belief, just as you have in yours. the bible DOES teach that jesus is the son of god. research if interested. no need for me to quote biblical scriptures to you, for they would fall on deaf ears, just as your quran scriptures are to me..

Yes, these two competing beliefs are based on the exact same thing: where you were born, and who raised you. Neither of them has anything to do with evidence. And once you throw evidence out the window, you can believe any old thing.

 

[Autodidact]

Dear Sniper now only thing can i say is i don't ask you to change your religon because i will get no profit from this "It is only for the goodness of you that you struggle to find what is the real truth because it is your sole responsibility to find what is the truth of religon its not a simple thing you must answer about it in your life after death."
My concern was only to give you a clu now find truth yourself i recommend you that first you study bible whole heartedly with your open mind inshallah your mind will ask you questions about what you beleive and then I strongly Recommend you that you also read Holy Qur'an inshallah i beleive that if god wants to get you in light you will easily understand the loud and clear message of Almighty Allah that he is only one.
"May God Be With You"

How did you pick these two? Why not the Book of Mormon or the Vedas?

 

[Autodidact]

In the book of Acts, Philip comes upon a man reading from Isaiah 53 and shows him how the Old Testament Prophets prophecied of Jesus and how he would suffer and die for our sins. Basicaly there are hundreds of Old Testament prophecies that Jesus fulfilled:

Actually, there are approximately zero.

 

[sniper762]

I READ until i came to this verse pertaining to unbelievers

2-191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out;​

THIS IS NOT MY BELIEF IN HOW TO DEAL WITH NONBELIEVERS OF MY FAITH

 

[Wotan]

I READ until i came to this verse pertaining to unbelievers

2-191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out;​

THIS IS NOT MY BELIEF IN HOW TO DEAL WITH NONBELIEVERS OF MY FAITH

Well then I guess you are "no true Muslim ."

 

[sniper762]

and glad of it

 

[fallingblood]

Not according to the OP, they discounted the alternatives in the OP.

They were not discounted. I simply pointed out possible flaws in them. Also, that does not mean that a bodily resurrection is the most likely. That is a logical fallacy. Just because A isn't the answer, that doesn't mean that B is the answer.

The OP was set more as a question. There are many possible alternatives and I haven't technically ruled out any. I simply showed problems with some.

 

[fallingblood]

The authors were not eyewitnesses. That is complete nonsense. Mark was a disciple of Peter, we don't even know who wrote Matthew, Luke was a disciple of Paul, and John definitely didn't write John.

Not entirely true. All of the Gospels were circulated anonymously. We don't know who wrote Mark of Luke either. Whether or not they were disciples of the apostles, we don't know for sure. The reason being that only tradition tells us who the Gospels were written by. And that tradition really didn't start until the second century.