the right religion

[Vendetta]

There is no right religion only personal satisfaction. The religions of today in one way or another contradict each other.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

how could we reach the right believe, the right path?

Independent investigation of Truth.

I quote from Book of Iqan:

"they that tread the path of faith, they that thirst for the wine of certitude, must cleanse themselves of all that is earthly—their ears from idle talk, their minds from vain imaginings, their hearts from worldly affections, their eyes from that which perisheth. They should put their trust in God, and, holding fast unto Him, follow in His way. Then will they be made worthy of the effulgent glories of the sun of divine knowledge and understanding, and become the recipients of a grace that is infinite and unseen, inasmuch as man can never hope to attain unto the knowledge of the All-Glorious, can never quaff from the stream of divine knowledge and wisdom, can never enter the abode of immortality, nor partake of the cup of divine nearness and favour, unless and until he ceases to regard the words and deeds of mortal men as a standard for the true understanding and recognition of God and His Prophets.

Consider the past. How many, both high and low, have, at all times, yearningly awaited the advent of the Manifestations of God in the sanctified persons of His chosen Ones. How often have they expected His coming, how frequently have they prayed that the breeze of divine mercy might blow, and the promised Beauty step forth from behind the veil of concealment, and be made manifest to all the world. And whensoever the portals of grace did open, and the clouds of divine bounty did rain upon mankind, and the light of the Unseen did shine above the horizon of celestial might, they all denied Him, and turned away from His face—the face of God Himself. Refer ye, to verify this truth, to that which hath been recorded in every sacred Book.​

Ponder for a moment, and reflect upon that which hath been the cause of such denial on the part of those who have searched with such earnestness and longing. Their attack hath been more fierce than tongue or pen can describe. Not one single Manifestation of Holiness hath appeared but He was afflicted by the denials, the repudiation, and the vehement opposition of the people around Him." Baha'ullah - Book of Iqan, p.2

Bahá'í Reference Library - The Kitáb-i-Íqán

 

[Cain]

if everyone's dead, wouldn't that be the religion that was left?

Actually I was hinting at the Right Hand Path & Left Hand Path Belief systems.

There are two schools of religious thought, one seeks to atone with the objective universe / god / divinity / nature etc. this for the most part involves dissolving the individual / Self into this universe.

The other seeks to separate from this objective universe and to develop / evolve the individual Self towards Self-Deification.

 

[islam abduallah]

Thank you, it's a pet peeve. (Goes for u, too.)


Well, it's my only language, so you're ahead of me!


No one has all the facts. When you get down to it, nobody understands God.

Religions are various methods of seeking God, and they all serve that purpose equally well. They're different paths up the same mountain.

hahaha, forgive me it would take sometimes to solve that, i was doing that long time ago

i disagree and agree with you, yes religions are different of seeking the god the creator of that universe, but they are not serving that equally, let me tell you something, christians say that the Jesus is the god, so they worship the jesus while Muslims and jews said that he's not a god, and we don't worship him, so if the jesus is a god really that means that both muslims and jews are wrong and so islam and judhism and if not that means christianity is a false a religion, so religion really are different ways of seeking a god but only one of them which will guide you to the real god who is the creator of that universe, do u get my point

 

[Storm]

hahaha, forgive me it would take sometimes to solve that, i was doing that long time ago

i disagree and agree with you, yes religions are different of seeking the god the creator of that universe, but they are not serving that equally, let me tell you something, christians say that the Jesus is the god, so they worship the jesus while Muslims and jews said that he's not a god, and we don't worship him, so if the jesus is a god really that means that both muslims and jews are wrong and so islam and judhism and if not that means christianity is a false a religion, so religion really are different ways of seeking a god but only one of them which will guide you to the real god who is the creator of that universe, do u get my point

I do. And I say no religion can just give you the answers. Since we agree that nobody truly understands God, it must follow that all theories of God are flawed, yes?

 

[islam abduallah]

Thank you, it's a pet peeve. (Goes for u, too.)


Well, it's my only language, so you're ahead of me!


No one has all the facts. When you get down to it, nobody understands God.

Religions are various methods of seeking God, and they all serve that purpose equally well. They're different paths up the same mountain.

Did you ever consider that religion should be found in your heart and not within a "community"? This is how there is more than one true religion, because there is more than one person who chooses to seek the truth within all written doctrine (sciences included) and does not place any Deity before True Knowledge.

totally agree with you, you can seek the truth within all the doctrines whatever it was and don't place any deity before truly knowledge, this is will lead you to have fair comparions between those doctrines but after knowledge you will find the truth is one, it's in the quran or gospel or any other book, but not more than one, as contradictions couldn't be all true, do you agree about that?

 

[islam abduallah]

True there is many religions, but I can't surely say that any of them are one hundred percent correct. As a matter of fact I don't think either of them is.

is that judgement is through the religion sources itselfor through what you are hearing about the religion?

 

[islam abduallah]

Please show me how its possible to test it taking into consideration that when you die that if its not true you'll never know,like i said it cannot be tested

no, you can know the truth in that life, if you can't so based on what there will be heaven or hell in the after life? as all of us will be excused that it's impossible to know the truth, it would be unfair from the god to put somebody into hell because he didn't follow a certain religion,
how to test it? we have only one tool which is our minds, let me give you some examples, when the god send the jesus (peace and blessings to be up on him), he supported him by some miracles why? in order to make the people follow him and believe that the jesus was sent by the god, and also the same with moses (peace and blessings to be up on him), i think most of us know what he did by his stick, all of that proved that they were sent by the god, but we weren't there, we didn't attend these events, but we still have the books which inform us about that, torah, gospel and quran, all of each book's follower claim that his religion is theright one while the others are false,
but there's something i belong to islam, you can observe that i don't mention any miracle of our prophet (peace and blessings to be up on him), that's because me and you were not there, but we still have the quran which really consider the miracle of miracles, the miracle which the god challenged all the people by it, test the quran and read it, Muslims claim that there are many sciences in the quran which prophet mohamed couldn't know since 1400 years except by releveation of the creator,
and do the same with other books, the book which u didn't find any errors, mistakes, contradictions and it contains things that no body knows it at that era except the god, it would be the right one

 

[islam abduallah]

what if none are right????

what if each only follows individual cultures wants and needs regarding spirituality.??

you have good point of view, but to prove it you should study all the religions and refute it and prove that it's false religion, could you do that?

 

[elmarna]

Ha bebe-
Your persoal relatioship with god is found in the grace of god.
The staight path of walking through life is with the goodness of your service.
To label it is to forget why we came.
To love god and all those trying to do as well is how I prefer to perceive it.
I sincerely believe that we the human race desires the love of god!

 

[England my lionheart]

I have read the Qur'an,i read it as i would read any book but my feeling is its beauty kind of gets lost in translation,historically there are some chinks in it as there are in the Bible,there is no actual evidence that either Moses or Jesus existed so like all religions it must be taken on faith that they did therefore as far as i'm concerned its just another religion,there is nothing to suggest otherwise,the Qur'an is interesting though as it gives an insight into the Arab world of the time.

 

[islam abduallah]

No. It is not sure that there is only one right religion. There is nothing that even says that any religion is universally right either. There is only right for each person. Making whether it is "right" or not completely subjective at best.

By being true to ourselves and what we internally believe and understand and not worrying about what anyone else believes or says we should believe. We reach the "right" path for ourselves when we realize that our path is our own.

i mean by the right path, the religion which the god wills us to follow, do you think the god will order us to follow 2 religions?!

 

[Storm]

i mean by the right path, the religion which the god wills us to follow, do you think the god will order us to follow 2 religions?!

I don't think God orders us to follow any.

 

[islam abduallah]

I do. And I say no religion can just give you the answers. Since we agree that nobody truly understands God, it must follow that all theories of God are flawed, yes?

no, i'm not agreed that no body could understand the god truly, via your belief you will understand the god, if your belief is right you will understand the god in a right way if your belief is wrong you will understand the god wrongly or being heistated or confused
aboutthe last sentence, i want to recorrect it to be most (not all) of theories of god are flawed

 

[Storm]

no, i'm not agreed that no body could understand the god truly, via your belief you will understand the god, if your belief is right you will understand the god in a right way if your belief is wrong you will understand the god wrongly or being heistated or confused
aboutthe last sentence, i want to recorrect it to be most (not all) of theories of god are flawed

Let me guess. Islam is the perfect truth?

Do you truly believe you know God's mind? That your puny human brain can begin to comprehend divine glory?

 

[outhouse]

you have good point of view, but to prove it you should study all the religions and refute it and prove that it's false religion, could you do that?

I can do that


Its my understanding that only humans have written religious text and make claim's with zero proof.

not once has a deity ever put pen to paper yet most deitys are claimed to have unlimited power.

Are all deitys illiterate???? or do they not care about humans enough to write there own book?????

OR do they only exist in mans imagination????

no matter what country or what culture magically all deitys refuse to show themselves ot prove their existance. THIS goes for every deity that has ever been created and there are thousands

 

[Vendetta]

You know the Islamic point-of-view on what is considered the 'right path" is inherently problematic for me. For one, because God is the complete authoritarian and ultimate judge, following "his religion or else" for me is inherently an obligatory phenomena in Islam. Sure, there is a verse that says "there is no compulsion" but maybe God isn't the best psychologist here because mentally, if God says "sure you can follow your own path, but Islam is the right path and if you choose to not follow it and my prophet inevitably you will burn in hell forever because you chose to do what I allowed you to do."

Similarly with Christianity. The whole "Jesus loves you.......until you deny him as lord and savior, then you're F******"

In the midst of all the religious faiths that exist on our planet, it is hard to make comparisons among them all. Each inherently has this philosophy that whatever is being explained is somehow true. Buddhism is no different. Each of these teachings are done so in ways which exclaim a certain truthful essence. Philosophically, whatever is true is inevitably up to us and that is what I was saying earlier. whatever is satisfactory to our peace of mind is what is true.

 

[Straw Dog]

there r many religion in the world, but surly there r only one right religion, but how could we reach the right believe, the right path?

I think in order to understand any possible path that all human beings should be following we would need to have a clear conception of what particular goal would be the purpose of that path. As far as I understand about monotheistic religions, there can only be one true religious path for all people and the ultimate goal is the glorification of that one specific deity rather than any notion of human progress. I haven't read anything to dissuade me from that notion so please offer something if you think the glorification of God is not the goal of monotheistic religion.

As I don't see how any self-respecting human being could possibly sacrifice their individual notion of human progress in favor of an arbitrary supplementation of some hidden supernatural divinity, I would have to argue that all monotheistic religions are fundamentally anti-humanist in their original conception. That isn't to say that they cannot be modified in a humanist light, but it isn't in accordance with what its founders intended.

So essentially there isn't a one true religious path. There are only multiple human conceptual paths to survival and prosperity.

 

[Orias]

there r many religion in the world, but surly there r only one right religion, but how could we reach the right believe, the right path?

Timor hominem unius libri - Fear the man of one book.

Who says any which religion is "right", it should be simple...

All men that are "good" and lead "good" lives, live without fear.

The "right path" isn't some coalition of like minded people, its the center alignment with the Self and what we as humans can do to provide and sustain our own existence.

Religious fanaticals and moral propaganda have done little to help this cause considering humanistic affairs, but they do a damned good job of keeping themselves alive

 

[islam abduallah]

You know the Islamic point-of-view on what is considered the 'right path" is inherently problematic for me. For one, because God is the complete authoritarian and ultimate judge, following "his religion or else" for me is inherently an obligatory phenomena in Islam. Sure, there is a verse that says "there is no compulsion" but maybe God isn't the best psychologist here because mentally, if God says "sure you can follow your own path, but Islam is the right path and if you choose to not follow it and my prophet inevitably you will burn in hell forever because you chose to do what I allowed you to do."

Similarly with Christianity. The whole "Jesus loves you.......until you deny him as lord and savior, then you're F******"

In the midst of all the religious faiths that exist on our planet, it is hard to make comparisons among them all. Each inherently has this philosophy that whatever is being explained is somehow true. Buddhism is no different. Each of these teachings are done so in ways which exclaim a certain truthful essence. Philosophically, whatever is true is inevitably up to us and that is what I was saying earlier. whatever is satisfactory to our peace of mind is what is true.

so could i understand that you prefer the religion less