the right religion

[1robin]

As a Deist, here is where I do agree with you. But none of the evidence in any of these fields seem to imply that it is the Judeo-Christian god, or that it is active in the affairs of the world. It seems to me a bit more than coincidental that accounts of miracles and divine intervention seemed to die down after the ability to potentially document them came about. (I.E. the Camera) (Although, in fairness, the advent of Photoshop has probably caused those numbers to rise slightly.)

The universe at the minimum posits some type of God but with just a tiny bit of philosophical intuition and common sense a personal God is a virtually certainty. For example: Only a personal God can chose to act. If God is just a metaphor for the power of nature or some similar eternal deistic analogy then it/he would have either created the universe an eternity ago nor never would. Only personal agents chose to act. I can also compare the bibles account of cosmology and also find it extremely consistent with reality. About a thousand different lines of reasoning all lead to the Judeo/Christian God.

 

[Muffled]

You're not God. If he really wanted a message passed down to the world, then he is more than capable of doing it himself, rather than using people as a middle-man. Mankind is not really the best way for a deity to get its message across, given our tendency to lie. If he wants to send a message, why doesn't he do it himself? Why does he have to have so called "prophets" speak his message by proxy?

I beleive this comes from someone who does not know me.

I believe He is capable but people don't listen. Sometimes He sends a prophet but people don't listen to them either. And here He is in me and people still will not listen to Him.

I agree that it is better to listen to Him, but the Spirit of God never lies in the body or out of it.

 

[Muffled]

The universe at the minimum posits some type of God but with just a tiny bit of philosophical intuition and common sense a personal God is a virtually certainty. For example: Only a personal God can chose to act. If God is just a metaphor for the power of nature or some similar eternal deistic analogy then it/he would have either created the universe an eternity ago nor never would. Only personal agents chose to act. I can also compare the bibles account of cosmology and also find it extremely consistent with reality. About a thousand different lines of reasoning all lead to the Judeo/Christian God.

I agree and God personnally intervened on behalf of Israel many times. I believe He is still intervening in the world today and certainly has in my life.

 

[1robin]

I agree and God personnally intervened on behalf of Israel many times. I believe He is still intervening in the world today and certainly has in my life.

I don't know how the nation of Israel got into the conversation but I agree 100%. Have you ever read the statistics of what Israel has done with less than 1% of the middle east compared to the rest? It is literally beyond belief what that tiny nation has done in almost every field of study, technology, and agriculture there is in spite of having to spend more per person on defense that any nation on Earth, having little of the rest of the land's oil, and being periodically attacked by their neighbors.

 

[Muffled]

I don't know how the nation of Israel got into the conversation but I agree 100%. Have you ever read the statistics of what Israel has done with less than 1% of the middle east compared to the rest? It is literally beyond belief what that tiny nation has done in almost every field of study, technology, and agriculture there is in spite of having to spend more per person on defense that any nation on Earth, having little of the rest of the land's oil, and being periodically attacked by their neighbors.

I believe this comes under the heading of God's grace but it does not make Judaism the right religion since that grace is seldom accepted as it should be in Christianity.

 

[1robin]

I believe this comes under the heading of God's grace but it does not make Judaism the right religion since that grace is seldom accepted as it should be in Christianity.

Of course it does not mean Judaism is true. I thought my being a Christian made that obvious without mentioning. However when they defeat five nations who's populations outnumbered them 80 - 1 without having a standing army, no air force, and 3 tanks within 24 hours of becoming a nation again, there is something special about them. God is obviously not done with them yet.

 

[samosasauce]

How do we know that your statement is the truth? Why can't there be as many paths as individuals within the world?

 

[1robin]

How do we know that your statement is the truth? Why can't there be as many paths as individuals within the world?

I assume you aimed this at me. I also assume you mean theological pluralism. If correct, you can't know. Faith is not about certainty, it is about the best conclusions. Some of those include:


1. The law of non contradiction. Just among the major faiths you have mutually exclusive claims to absolute truth. Only one can possibly be right.
2. The nature of truth. Truth it's self is an exclusive concept. So any truth claim will reflect that.
3. It is irrational to think a rational God would hide self contradictory, mutually exclusive, and inconsistent paths in mountains of man made garbage dispersed around the world. It is perfectly rational to think he would have one clear, concise, and exclusive method.
4. There is no reasonable correlation between the population and truth.
5. As a principle you do not multiply causes, agencies, or mechanisms beyond necessity.
6. The evidence that accompanies individual claims is vastly unequal. The evidence that accompanies Islam IMO is detrimental not supportive.
7. Logical coherence. Many theological methodologies are incoherent. Hinduism for example just makes no sense. Christian salvation has no flaw what so ever and is perfectly constant. That does not make Christianity true (alone) but it does make other claims false.


That is at least a starting point.

 

[Maldini]

there r many religion in the world, but surly there r only one right religion, but how could we reach the right believe, the right path?

Yes And Isalm is the true religion because it says so. Yay, you can be happy now, you won the internet.

 

[Nakosis]

Yes And Isalm is the true religion because it says so. Yay, you can be happy now, you won the internet.

Darn it.... And I was trying so hard to win. :thud:

 

[viole]

I don't know how the nation of Israel got into the conversation but I agree 100%. Have you ever read the statistics of what Israel has done with less than 1% of the middle east compared to the rest? It is literally beyond belief what that tiny nation has done in almost every field of study, technology, and agriculture there is in spite of having to spend more per person on defense that any nation on Earth, having little of the rest of the land's oil, and being periodically attacked by their neighbors.

It seems God extraordinarily protects those who does not believe that Jesus is His son.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Britedream]

I don't know how the nation of Israel got into the conversation but I agree 100%. Have you ever read the statistics of what Israel has done with less than 1% of the middle east compared to the rest? It is literally beyond belief what that tiny nation has done in almost every field of study, technology, and agriculture there is in spite of having to spend more per person on defense that any nation on Earth, having little of the rest of the land's oil, and being periodically attacked by their neighbors.

You should be thankfull to uncle Sam, I don't think you would be able to say what you have said with out him.

 

[Ryujin]

It seems God extraordinarily protects those who does not believe that Jesus is His son.

Ciao

- viole

EPIC. To the point. Not overdone. You, madam, deserve frubals.

 

[1robin]

It seems God extraordinarily protects those who does not believe that Jesus is His son.

Ciao

- viole

I would not say that is generally true but Israel is obviously a special case. When God makes promises or establishes covenants he upholds his end whether or not we do. The Holocaust would be a refutation of your claim but not mine. Mine is that Israel is has a unique relationship to God's interaction with this world (whether they make it into heaven or not) and so their history should be unique and IMO it is the most unique in history. May be good or bad at times but it is always extraordinary.

 

[1robin]

You should be thankfull to uncle Sam, I don't think you would be able to say what you have said with out him.

Since I was a soldier for 9 years I am more responsible than any mythical figure. Are you suggesting we are why Israel is still around? If so that would only apply to specific battles and is debatable for them. However in 1948 (the battle I mentioned) we did not help Israel. Actually France and Britain opposed them somewhat, we were non entities in the fight, and Russia helped them a little. Of course that has swapped around quite a bit in later years. You would have to be far more specific to claim what you did above is relevant.

 

[1robin]

EPIC. To the point. Not overdone. You, madam, deserve frubals.

You have some strange standards. That was similar to the Aztec ball game where the winners got to have their heads cut off. Your standards seem to be more about efficient language use in making inaccurate claims.

 

[Ryujin]

You have some strange standards. That was similar to the Aztec ball game where the winners got to have their heads cut off. Your standards seem to be more about efficient language use in making inaccurate claims.

What do you mean? How is it similar? Anyway, she disagrees with pretty much all of my values and has even said so in one of my threads. That being, her comment was apt and charming. Even if you believe her to be wrong, you'd have to admit that her comment was well said and entertaining, no? Surely, you see the irony to it? My amusement at her comment has nothing to do with my standards, as I don't necessarily approve of it's content but rather it's presentation.

 

[Ryujin]

You have some strange standards. That was similar to the Aztec ball game where the winners got to have their heads cut off. Your standards seem to be more about efficient language use in making inaccurate claims.

Also, though it probably just solidifies your opinion of me, I actually admire the Aztecs devotion and single-mindedness. Their culture conquered death. It no longer paralyzed the people's actions. They accepted it's constant presence. That is no small feat for a culture.

 

[Britedream]

Since I was a soldier for 9 years I am more responsible than any mythical figure. Are you suggesting we are why Israel is still around? If so that would only apply to specific battles and is debatable for them. However in 1948 (the battle I mentioned) we did not help Israel. Actually France and Britain opposed them somewhat, we were non entities in the fight, and Russia helped them a little. Of course that has swapped around quite a bit in later years. You would have to be far more specific to claim what you did above is relevant.

Without the support of U.S.A in Financial and in military, they would be in real trouble.

 

[Ryujin]

You have some strange standards. That was similar to the Aztec ball game where the winners got to have their heads cut off. Your standards seem to be more about efficient language use in making inaccurate claims.

And besides, I'd bet our values are similar, if not our standards. I think we both value strict adherence to the rules and laws of our faith, similarly, I'd bet that we both dislike the functional nihilism that has gripped people in the modern world. They simply wish to go through life chasing the satisfaction of their base needs and pleasures, without a higher purpose to their life, oblivious to the impermanent nature of their cheap pleasures and thrills. Though, of course they'd deny being nihilists, if asked.


My point is just that, when you seek to look at you and I in a "us/them" kind of way, just keep in mind that, regardless of your opinion of me, we aren't so different in terms of our ideology and values. Not where it matters, at least