"The Royals Are Spiraling About Prince Harry's Upcoming Memoir"

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Charles isn't charismatic, so I wonder what will happen when he is king.

I for one is hoping that he continues his apathy toward Canada. I don't want this sort of thing happening here:

Black spider memos - Wikipedia

 

[pearl]

Please could you expand. If you list a couple of reasons we can all try and properly reply with focused comment. Who knows with informed replies. You may change your mind. This is a Religious forum .

Religion has nothing to do with my comments on Camilla. I was always very taken with Princess Diana and believe her when she stated, 'there were three people in this marriage'.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The problem with heads of state with power (like the US and France) where symbolic 'ribbon cutting', sports trophy awarding, entertaining foreign dignitaries, national celebration/mourning, etc jobs are combined with a major political role is that half the population will loathe the current incumbent.

If you don't want that then you're left with either constitutional monarchy or the kind of 'superannuated party politician that people hate least' situation you get in countries like Germany and Italy.

The trouble the UK may face is that when Liz goes (very few people really dislike Liz), then Charles (who is 73), the alternative 'superannuated . . .' might start to look less unattractive - unless the likely alternative would be Bozo, obviously.

There are other options. Most commonwealth realms already have a Governor General who serves as the de facto head of state for a fixed term, distinct from the head of government, the Prime Minister.

Just change the GG from de facto head of state to de jure head of state and we're off to the races. The Queen's "approval" of Prime Ministers' appointments of Governors General was always just a rubber stamp anyway.

In practical terms, every Commonwealth Realm already functions as a secular republic in almost every way that matters.

 

[kaninchen]

Most commonwealth realms already have a Governor General who serves as the de facto head of state for a fixed term, distinct from the head of government, the Prime Minister.

Well, yes, it would be possible to have an appointed head of state, but you're stuck with the fact that half the population hate the person doing the appointing. Bozo appointing a new UK head of state wouldn't escape the problem of half the population hating Bozo and, hence, anybody he might appoint.

 

[ChristineM]

Nearly all Brits do admire our Queen.

Not me, and nearly all the people i know think she is a scrounging waste of taxpayers money.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not me, and nearly all the people i know think she is a scrounging waste of taxpayers money.

I happen to like the royals.
Whenever Ameristan earns scorn around the world,
I know that they'll step up to make us look relatively good.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well, yes, it would be possible to have an appointed head of state, but you're stuck with the fact that half the population hate the person doing the appointing.

This is already the case in every Commonwealth Realm that has a Governor General. We get by.

At worst, if you get a bad one, you can be done with them in a few years without resorting to guillotines.

Bozo appointing a new UK head of state wouldn't escape the problem of half the population hating Bozo and, hence, anybody he might appoint.

Sure, but this seems like less of a problem than having Charles as your head of state and an entire family tree suckling at the public teat.

 

[kaninchen]

Sure, but this seems like less of a problem than having Charles as your head of state and an entire family tree suckling at the public teat.

Better than Bozo as a Trump/Putin 'executive' President, though.

I think I'd go with the elected one way or another, pretty powerless, superannuated politician who nobody hates very much version as chief ribbon cutter.

 

[oldbadger]

Not me, and nearly all the people i know think she is a scrounging waste of taxpayers money.

Like I said, 'nearly all....'
Scrounging...? She is still working..........

 

[ChristineM]

I happen to like the royals.
Whenever Ameristan earns scorn around the world,
I know that they'll step up to make us look relatively good.

Only if they can get their percentage

 

[ChristineM]

Like I said, 'nearly all....'
Scrounging...? She is still working..........

If you call waving and getting other people to do everything for you at the taxpayers experience work than i would agree

 

[oldbadger]

If you call waving and getting other people to do everything for you at the taxpayers experience work than i would agree

What about the daily red box of papers? I wonder how long that takes.
It's been her bravery that has always amazed me.... riding high on horse back at festivals etc when most world leaders were stuck behind G1S glass.

 

[oldbadger]

Sure, but this seems like less of a problem than having Charles as your head of state and an entire family tree suckling at the public teat.

I do think that Charles can hope to keep the monarchy intact.
Antimonarchists should hope that he will take the throne. Monarchists should hope the it is passed down to William.

 

[ChristineM]

What about the daily red box of papers? I wonder how long that takes.
It's been her bravery that has always amazed me.... riding high on horse back at festivals etc when most world leaders were stuck behind G1S glass.

Do you think she reads everything? I suggest it is digested for her and the relevant points highlighted. And most people read their news while sitting on the toilet.

Yes she can (or could) ride a horse so can many other people, not so sure she would now though. Margaret was much better.

I very much doubt she would go unprotected now given the rise in terrorism.

And still the taxpayers pay

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I do think that Charles can hope to keep the monarchy intact.
Antimonarchists should hope that he will take the throne. Monarchists should hope the it is passed down to William.

It would take a lot to get rid of the monarchy in the UK. However, I think that the trend that we're already seeing under Elizabeth of Commonwealth Realms becoming republics will continue. The rate would increase under a King William, and would be an absolute avalanche with a King Charles III.

 

[oldbadger]

It would take a lot to get rid of the monarchy in the UK. However, I think that the trend that we're already seeing under Elizabeth of Commonwealth Realms becoming republics will continue. The rate would increase under a King William, and would be an absolute avalanche with a King Charles III.

I think you've got that right.
It is time for us to let go of every country that wants complete separation.
It's time for us to become a small country with more emphasis on home security and defence rather than playing at blooming aircraft carrier sized military stuff.

 

[oldbadger]

Do you think she reads everything? I suggest it is digested for her and the relevant points highlighted. And most people read their news while sitting on the toilet.

Too much information there, Christine. And a very strange perception of us all.

Yes she can (or could) ride a horse so can many other people, not so sure she would now though. Margaret was much better.

So you do follow the royals closely after all. You don't follow their fashions as well, by any chance?

I very much doubt she would go unprotected now given the rise in terrorism.

How about because she's way over 90? She's even chatted with intruders in her bedroom....what would you have done in that situation?

And still the taxpayers pay

Oh they pay some for me now so I won't call out about that.

 

[ChristineM]

Too much information there, Christine. And a very strange perception of us all.

But fairly accurate,and i said "most", not "all"

So you do follow the royals closely after all. You don't follow their fashions as well, by any chance?

Sarcasm doesn't become you, as you know just about every move is documented and much to the extent that she goes to one of her other palaces and its front page news and headline on the BBC 6 o'clock news

How about because she's way over 90? She's even chatted with intruders in her bedroom....what would you have done in that situation

Probably put the intruder in hospital. The incident is one reason her security has been tightened (as taxpayers expense)

Oh they pay some for me now so I won't call out about that.

You have paid for that all your working life, can you say the same about the royal families scrounging?

 

[oldbadger]

But fairly accurate,and i said "most", not "all"

Very old fashioned....... you actually still believe that most people read newspapers......... and on the toilet.....?!! That must be a French thing.

Sarcasm doesn't become you, as you know just about every move is documented and much to the extent that she goes to one of her other palaces and its front page news and headline on the BBC 6 o'clock news

Sarcasm?....a high form of humour, or so my granny used to repeat....
So you do watch the BBC 6 o'clock news! Well, at least you're not watching French versions about what happened and where.

Probably put the intruder in hospital. The incident is one reason her security has been tightened (as taxpayers expense)

The Queen sat him down, listened to him, instructed the arriving police to be gentle, and responded to the meeting afterwards .....to his pleas.

You have paid for that all your working life, can you say the same about the royal families scrounging?

And how much does the country pay the Queen, to cover all her costs, staff, travel and the rest? She already owns lots of investments and could look after herself very well if she was sent in to private life.

We were talking about the Queen, and now you redirect towards the whole royal family. I would only pay towards a monarch's immediate family if s/he was a full time representative for the country, which of course this ancient lady is.
If you don't like her personal wealth, would you like a cap to be put on people's wealth? That should cause thousands of billionaires to be chucking funds around a bit.

 

[ChristineM]

Very old fashioned....... you actually still believe that most people read newspapers......... and on the toilet.....?!! That must be a French thing.

I do believe many people do read at least some of the paper while sitting on the loo, i know several brits who do.

Sarcasm?....a high form of humour, or so my granny used to repeat....
So you do watch the BBC 6 o'clock news! Well, at least you're not watching French versions about what happened and where

Sarcasm is great when you can pull it off. Some people fail abysmally though.

I don't watch the bbc news, the bias sickens me. France 24 is by far a more balanced and less bigoted news source.

The Queen sat him down, listened to him, instructed the arriving police to be gentle, and responded to the meeting afterwards .....to his pleas.

Hiw noble of her

And how much does the country pay the Queen, to cover all her costs, staff, travel and the rest? She already owns lots of investments and could look after herself very well if she was sent in to private life.

I don't give a damn about her personal wealth and income i do give a damn about the money given to her out of taxes

We were talking about the Queen, and now you redirect towards the whole royal family. I would only pay towards a monarch's immediate family

All the immediate family are beneficiaries of the governments handouts

If you don't like her personal wealth, would you like a cap to be put on people's wealth? That should cause thousands of billionaires to be chucking funds around a bit.

As i stated. I don't give a damn about her personal wealth (although the origin of some is questionable) so don't make up nonsense to massage your ego.