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The Science of Ghosts

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
The concept of omnipresence was conveyed in those passages that way because there was no single word for God being everywhere in ancient Hebrew...just as, for example, there was not a single word concept to represent 'homosexual' in ancient Hebrew....so it was conveyed by the phrase..... a man lying with another man in a bed as with a woman...

I am aware of that. We study the Bible in some depth, especially about the meanings of words and phrases that were hard to translate or were missing altogether in the language of the translators.

If people knew the original meanings of words such as "sheol" and "hades" (often translated "hell") then they could never have translated those word as "hell" (Christendom's version) at all. In neither the Hebrew or the Greek was there a word that conveyed the real meaning. Consequently, sheol, hades and even gehenna were all translated "hell", giving the readers a false impression as to its meaning in the original text. The Bible does not teach about such a place. Sheol is the grave. (Eccl 9:5, 10)...so is hades. Gehenna has a whole other meaning.

God can not be known by a mortal for sure...but some souls are nearer to realizing the truth of God than others... for as Jesus said to the Samaritan lady...the time is now that God...who is spirit, is being worshiped in spirit... How does a physical being worship the Divine spirit in spirit?

It is God who guides his people by spirit. It is the spirit that grants understanding of God's word and accomplishes his will. So that being the case, there should be criteria by which all can know the truth.
Yet Paul also warned that God will allow people to be deluded if that is their wish.

2 Thess 2:9-12:
"But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders 10 and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved. 11 That is why God lets a deluding influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness."

How would people know? The truth is...they won't...not until the day when their delusion is exposed. The goats of Jesus parable are unaware of their status as are those "Christians" who plead with Jesus on judgment day.

Matt 7:21-23:
“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’"

Imagine! Here they are as Christians in their own eyes, even doing powerful works in Jesus' name...and yet look at what he says to them....
"‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’" How can people who figure that they are Christ's disciples in good standing, be accused of such a thing?

They are deluded into breaking the laws of God, without believing that they are. How do they do this?

They promote a different god...a three headed one who can be in different places at the same time, have different wills, know things that the other doesn't and talk to each other.
That is not one god, but three squeezed into one head. Certainly nothing like that was taught to God's own people, not even his most trusted prophets. By putting other 'gods' in the place of the Father, they break the first Commandment. (Ex 20:3)

Another way they break God's laws is in the matter of war. When Israel went to war, it was divinely sanctioned to protect his people and their God-given land.
No war since the times of ancient Israel have had God's sanction. There was no occasion where a Christian could ever use a weapon on another human being and be free of guilt. We are told to "love our enemies and to pray for those persecuting" us. There is no sanction for bloodshed among Christians because modern warfare also involves what has come to be known as "collateral damage"....or the death of innocents. There is no sanction for the death of innocents, and blood on our hands means God will not hear our prayers. (Isa 1:15)

There are many more ways that those who claim to be Christ's disciples can be deluded into breaking God's laws, but those two alone will suffice to convict them. You only need to break one.
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
I am aware of that. We study the Bible in some depth, especially about the meanings of words and phrases that were hard to translate or were missing altogether in the language of the translators.

If people knew the original meanings of words such as "sheol" and "hades" (often translated "hell") then they could never have translated those word as "hell" (Christendom's version) at all. In neither the Hebrew or the Greek was there a word that conveyed the real meaning. Consequently, sheol, hades and even gehenna were all translated "hell", giving the readers a false impression as to its meaning in the original text. The Bible does not teach about such a place. Sheol is the grave. (Eccl 9:5, 10)...so is hades. Gehenna has a whole other meaning.



It is God who guides his people by spirit. It is the spirit that grants understanding of God's word and accomplishes his will. So that being the case, there should be criteria by which all can know the truth.
Yet Paul also warned that God will allow people to be deluded if that is their wish.

2 Thess 2:9-12:
"But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders 10 and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved. 11 That is why God lets a deluding influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness."

How would people know? The truth is...they won't...not until the day when their delusion is exposed. The goats of Jesus parable are unaware of their status as are those "Christians" who plead with Jesus on judgment day.

Matt 7:21-23:
“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’"

Imagine! Here they are as Christians in their own eyes, even doing powerful works in Jesus' name...and yet look at what he says to them....
"‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’" How can people who figure that they are Christ's disciples in good standing, be accused of such a thing?

They are deluded into breaking the laws of God, without believing that they are. How do they do this?

They promote a different god...a three headed one who can be in different places at the same time, have different wills, know things that the other doesn't and talk to each other.
That is not one god, but three squeezed into one head. Certainly nothing like that was taught to God's own people, not even his most trusted prophets. By putting other 'gods' in the place of the Father, they break the first Commandment. (Ex 20:3)

Another way they break God's laws is in the matter of war. When Israel went to war, it was divinely sanctioned to protect his people and their God-given land.
No war since the times of ancient Israel have had God's sanction. There was no occasion where a Christian could ever use a weapon on another human being and be free of guilt. We are told to "love our enemies and to pray for those persecuting" us. There is no sanction for bloodshed among Christians because modern warfare also involves what has come to be known as "collateral damage"....or the death of innocents. There is no sanction for the death of innocents, and blood on our hands means God will not hear our prayers. (Isa 1:15)

There are many more ways that those who claim to be Christ's disciples can be deluded into breaking God's laws, but those two alone will suffice to convict them. You only need to break one.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

If one is to worship in spirit....it does not mean physical worship.....one must be one with the spirit of God in spirit...not in the flesh... The spirit of God that is the breath that gives soul to the clay can, when the disciple has mastered the temple...return to the Father in spiritual oneness for a time...rather than spending the time in physical prayer and ritual...
 
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