the science proof that the Prophet Muhammad was existed lol

[Godobeyer]

These are just some of the differences.

There are numerous others.

please stop , you killing by these fools , don't show that differences to your friend , you will kill them by laughing

You deny that Jesus is the Son of God.

Fot this, you have no future life.

Only death.

ok brother , you have a this 10 proofs that Jesus (pbuh) was not a god , deny them;
1. Jesus Never Said "I am God" in an un-equivocal, direct way. Whenever he seems to be saying this, when you read in context it is always about being one 'in purpose'.

2. Jesus Never Said "Worship me". He always directed worship towards the father, and always submitted to the will of his father. Luke 18:19 "Jesus answered him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." If Jesus is God why would he say this?

3. God cannot be born. Jesus was born.

4. God cannot die. He is from everlasting to everlasting. Jesus died. This is so simple!

5. Nobody has ever seen God. People saw Jesus.

6. Jesus never taught the trinity. The word trinity doesn't appear in the Bible, and is man-made.

7. God cannot be constrained into a box of any kind. He doesn't have a physical body i.e. You cannot put Him inside a human form and say "there is God". The Almighty Creator is much bigger than this. He makes his abode outside time and physical contraints.

8. Jesus ate, slept and prayed. God has no need for any of these (He is self-sufficient), and a God that needs to pray is not God at all. God doesn't have human needs. He cannot become a human, just the same way He cannot die, and cannot be beaten (this would go against the very fabric of His being). God did not become a human. The Bible tells us He would manifest to us a Son that would reveal His character to us. Jesus Christ is Immanuel, "God with us". Since we have already established that God cannot be constrained to any human form, this cannot mean that God came down to Earth as a human, so we must think outside the square. In a spiritual sense, Jesus was "God with us" in every possible way. As a representative of God, his purpose was to show us who God is and what He is about.

9. God doesn't change. His attributes are the same today, tomorrow and forever. eg. God is truthful, so He is not going to lie (ever!) or for anyone!

10. The Old Testament is very EXPLICIT with respect to who God is. There is ONE God. "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me." God doesn't change his mind and all of a sudden there is 2 (or 3) Gods.

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YouTube - Top 10 reasons why Jesus Christ Isn't God-TheDeenShow

Not some more googled webpaste, brother...come on...please get some new material...

i prefere to copy/paste correct informations, than put a joke as you did (the difference between the Quran and Islam )

Jesus is God according to your Koran.

another joke maybe in your Quran (i mean made by christians) , can you proof that ?

Sure.

Where should we start?

give me them all , and i will give you the explication of them soon

 

[Bowman]

ok brother , you have a this 10 proofs that Jesus (pbuh) was not a god , deny them;
1. Jesus Never Said "I am God" in an un-equivocal, direct way. Whenever he seems to be saying this, when you read in context it is always about being one 'in purpose'.

Here, from the Holy Bible, Jesus Himself directly states that He is God:

ο νικων κληρονομησει ταυτα και εσομαι αυτω θεος και αυτος εσται μοι υιος

ho nikao kleronomeo houtos kai esomai autos theos kai autos esomai moi huios

The one overcoming will inherit all things, and I will be God to him, and he will be the son to Me. (Rev 21.7)



Observe that “Theos” is in the nominative case, indicating that Jesus is the subject of the verb “esomai” establishing Him as God.

Further, observe that Jesus establishes that His deity is directly interchangeable with the Father, making the ones overcoming, the sons to Him.



Here, from the Koran, Jesus is stated to be God:


Twice, in sura 43, Jesus Christ (i.e. the Son), is accurately described as possessing knowledge of The Resurrection…

ولما ضرب ابن مريم مثلا إذا قومك منه يصدون وقالوا ءألهتنا خير أم هو ما ضربوه لك إلا جدلابل هم قوم خصمون إن هو إلا عبد أنعمنا عليه وجعلنه مثلا لبني إسرءيل ولو نشاء لجعلنا منكم ملئكة في الأرض يخلفون وإنه لعلم للساعة فلا تمترن بها واتبعون هذا صرط مستقيم​

Walamma duriba ibnu maryama mathalan itha qawmuka minhu yasiddoona waqaloo aalihatuna khayrun am huwa ma daraboohu laka illa jadalan bal hum qawmun khasimoona in huwa illa AAabdun anAAamna AAalayhi wajaAAalnahu mathalan libanee isra-eela walaw nashao lajaAAalna minkum mala-ikatan fee al-ardi yakhlufoona wa-innahu laAAilmun lilssaAAati fala tamtarunna biha waittabiAAooni hatha siratun mustaqeemun

And only Mary's Son, held up (as) a sign on your nation, from Him they start raising clamor. And they said: "Are our gods better or He?” That they set Him forth to you except disputation, but they, a nation (of) contentious people. Indeed He except a slave; we have bestowed blessings on Him, and we made Him a sign to Israel’s sons. And if we will, truly we made from your angels upon the earth, they succeed. And truly He (has) knowledge to The Resurrection, so have no doubt on account of it, and follow Me, this exact right path. (43.57 – 61)


Here, only Jesus Christ is described as being a sign to the people.

Jesus is stated to be an exception (i.e. in a class all by Himself, via “illa”) both to the disputing people, and also as a mere slave.

Jesus is shown to be in deity status as He is compared against the people’s gods. Further, Jesus is stated to have angels upon the earth, and that He possesses indisputable knowledge regarding the Resurrection.


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قل إن كان للرحمن ولد فأنا أول العبدين سبحن رب السموت والأرض رب العرش عما يصفون فذرهم يخوضوا ويلعبوا حتى يلقوا يومهم الذي يوعدون وهو الذي في السماء إله وفي الأرض إله وهو الحكيم العليم وتبارك الذي له ملك السموت والأرض وما بينهما وعنده علم الساعة وإليه ترجعون ولا يملك الذين يدعون من دونه الشفعة إلا من شهد بالحق وهم يعلمون​

Qul in kana lilrrahmani waladun faana awwalu alAAabideena subhana rabbi alssamawati waal-ardi rabbi alAAarshi AAamma yasifoona fatharhum yakhoodoo wayalAAaboo hatta yulaqoo yawmahumu allathee yooAAadoona wahuwa allathee fee alssama-i ilahun wafee al-ardi ilahun wahuwa alhakeemu alAAaleemu watabaraka allathee lahu mulku alssamawati waal-ardi wama baynahuma waAAindahu AAilmu alssaAAati wa-ilayhi turjaAAoona wala yamliku allatheena yadAAoona min doonihi alshshafaAAata illa man shahida bialhaqqi wahum yaAAlamoona

Say: "Indeed on account of the most merciful Son, so I myself the worshippers' first.” Glory be to the heavens and the earth’s Lord, the throne's Lord, from what they ascribe. So leave them alone; they indulged and they jest until they meet their day whom they were threatened. And He, whom upon the cloud, God, and upon the earth, God, and He, the wise, the one who knows. And exalted whom certainly His, King (of) the heavens and the earth and what is between them and with Him is the knowledge of the Resurrection, and to Him you are taken back. And has no power to prevail whom they call from superior to Him, The Intercession, except He; He bore witness on account of The Truth and them, they know. (43.81- 86)



Again, sura 43 proclaims that the Son (i.e. Jesus Christ) possesses knowledge of the Resurrection (AAilmu alssaAAati).

Jesus Christ, the subject of these ayahs, also has these things revealed about Him:

• Jesus is worshiped as the Most Merciful
• Jesus is Lord of the heavens and earth
• Jesus is King of the heavens and earth
• Jesus is Lord of the Throne
• Jesus is God upon the Cloud
• Jesus is God upon the Earth
• Jesus is The Intercession
• Jesus is The Witness
• Jesus is The Truth
• None are superior to Him
• Jesus takes back those who are His on the Day of Resurrection

Not surprisingly, these ayahs are proclaiming Jesus’ return on a Cloud, on the Day of the First Resurrection, just as found in Revelation chapter fourteen.



You reject the Bible.

Are you now going to reject your Koran?

 

[Bowman]

2. Jesus Never Said "Worship me". He always directed worship towards the father, and always submitted to the will of his father. Luke 18:19 "Jesus answered him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." If Jesus is God why would he say this?

People, even in Biblical times, worshipped Jesus as God.

He did not have to tell them to do this...nor did He tell them to stop.

Regarding Luke, why don't you provide some context, brother?

3. God cannot be born. Jesus was born.

إن مثل عيسى عند الله كمثل ءادم خلقه من


تراب ثم قال له كن فيكون​

Inna mathala AAeesa AAinda Allahi kamathali adama khalaqahu min turabin thumma qala lahu kun fayakoonu

3.59 Truly Jesus' similitude with“allah”, as/like Adam, He created him out of dust then said to him: "Be thou." so (he) is.




The message behind the rendering:

• Two comparisons are made “mathalu” & “kamathali”
• The first (former) comparison is between Jesus and “allah”
• “allah” is shown to be co-equal “mathalu” with Jesus
• Jesus is shown to have always existed “inna” with “inda” “allah”
• Jesus was not created
• The second (latter) comparison is redundant to the former
• The second comparison describes the creation “khalaqahu” of Adam
• It is referring to man…not to Jesus
• It is singular
• It refers to the act of measuring; or determining the measure, proportion, or the like, of a thing; and the making a thing by measure, or according to the measure of another thing; or proportioning a thing to another thing
• The originating or producing a thing after a pattern or model which one has devised, not after the similitude of anything pre-existing.
• As meaning the bringing into existence from a state of no-existence. As an act of God, signifies the creating out of nothing
• We are told that Adam was created, i.e. he had a beginning (out of nothing), in the likeness of his creator
• Adam is made from dust “turabin”
• The creation of man in this ayah is rooted in sura 86…which shares the same root as “turabin”
• The Word of “allah” brings forth Adam
• The Word i.e. Jesus is co-equal with “allah”
• Man is created through Jesus
• Jesus is God



Thus…it becomes quite clear that the second comparison of this ayah is simply re-enforcing the Biblical stance that Jesus (the Word) is what brought Adam into existence out of nothing.

 

[Godobeyer]

Here, from the Holy Bible, Jesus Himself directly states that He is God:



The one overcoming will inherit all things, and I will be God to him, and he will be the son to Me. (Rev 21.7)

I have one question to you about the New testement , did the authors of the New Testement , saw Jesus (pbuh) ?
could you deny Yusuf ester opinion :
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YouTube - WHAT IS THE BIBLE? - Yusuf Estes

Here, from the Koran, Jesus is stated to be God:


Twice, in sura 43, Jesus Christ (i.e. the Son), is accurately described as possessing knowledge of The Resurrection…

ولما ضرب ابن مريم مثلا إذا قومك منه يصدون وقالوا ءألهتنا خير أم هو ما ضربوه لك إلا جدلابل هم قوم خصمون إن هو إلا عبد أنعمنا عليه وجعلنه مثلا لبني إسرءيل ولو نشاء لجعلنا منكم ملئكة في الأرض يخلفون وإنه لعلم للساعة فلا تمترن بها واتبعون هذا صرط مستقيم​

And only Mary's Son, held up (as) a sign on your nation, from Him they start raising clamor. And they said: "Are our gods better or He?” That they set Him forth to you except disputation, but they, a nation (of) contentious people. Indeed He except a slave; we have bestowed blessings on Him, and we made Him a sign to Israel’s sons. And if we will, truly we made from your angels upon the earth, they succeed. And truly He(has) knowledge to The Resurrection, so have no doubt on account of it, and follow Me, this exact right path. (43.57 – 61)

Jesus is stated to be an exception (i.e. in a class all by Himself, via “illa&#8221 both to the disputing people, and also as a mere slave.

Jesus is shown to be in deity status as He is compared against the people’s gods. Further, Jesus is stated to have angels upon the earth, and that He possesses indisputable knowledge regarding the Resurrection.

Your translation is fake or false ,and i will explain to you why it is .

but first let me explain to you these
1-And only Mary's Son : we have no problem with this
2-And they said: "Are our gods better or He?” : this verse it talking when Jesus (pbuh) and his believers disputing , the unbelievers , the unbelievers praied the Idols (Gods ) List of Greek mythological figures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and they dispute the friends of Jesus (pbuh) they told they our Gods is better than Jesus (pbuh) , that's not mean that Jesus (pbuh) is a god , it's mean that beliefs Vs Beliefs
3-And truly He(has) knowledge to The Resurrection, so have no doubt on account of it
this is fake , the word He is added to the translation , it's not belong to the Quran , and i will proof to you that is fake , He mean "هو " and it's spell "Howa " ... notice that the arabic is correct , but the translation is wrong/false

this site is islamic site for Quran ,and Hadith , Quran Recitation and Translation Online in Arabic, English, and Urdu
this is my:
"And when the son of Mary is quoted as an example, behold! the folk laugh out, (57) And say: Are our gods better, or is he? They raise not the objection save for argument. Nay! but they are a contentious folk. (58) He is nothing but a slave on whom We bestowed favour, and We made him a pattern for the Children of Israel. (59)And had We willed We could have set among you angels to be viceroys in the earth. (60) And lo! verily there is knowledge of the Hour. So doubt ye not concerning it, but follow Me. This is the right path. (61) "

please use the google translator to check if there is He at the last verse :
And lo! verily there is knowledge of the Hour. So doubt ye not concerning it, but follow Me. This is the right path. (61)

you will find out that He did not existed and at the last of this ayah , it's mean it's that the translation is totaly fake and false .


http://translate.google.com/#ar|en|%D9%88%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A7%20%D8%B6%D8%B1%D8%A8%20%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%86%20%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%85%20%D9%85%D8%AB%D9%84%D8%A7%20%D8%A5%D8%B0%D8%A7%20%D9%82%D9%88%D9%85%D9%83%20%D9%85%D9%86%D9%87%20%D9%8A%D8%B5%D8%AF%D9%88%D9%86%20%D9%88%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D8%A7%20%D8%A1%D8%A3%D9%84%D9%87%D8%AA%D9%86%D8%A7%20%D8%AE%D9%8A%D8%B1%20%D8%A3%D9%85%20%D9%87%D9%88%20%D9%85%D8%A7%20%D8%B6%D8%B1%D8%A8%D9%88%D9%87%20%D9%84%D9%83%20%D8%A5%D9%84%D8%A7%20%D8%AC%D8%AF%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%84%20%D9%87%D9%85%20%D9%82%D9%88%D9%85%20%D8%AE%D8%B5%D9%85%D9%88%D9%86%20%D8%A5%D9%86%20%D9%87%D9%88%20%D8%A5%D9%84%D8%A7%20%D8%B9%D8%A8%D8%AF%20%D8%A3%D9%86%D8%B9%D9%85%D9%86%D8%A7%20%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%87%20%D9%88%D8%AC%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%86%D9%87%20%D9%85%D8%AB%D9%84%D8%A7%20%D9%84%D8%A8%D9%86%D9%8A%20%D8%A5%D8%B3%D8%B1%D8%A1%D9%8A%D9%84%20%D9%88%D9%84%D9%88%20%D9%86%D8%B4%D8%A7%D8%A1%20%D9%84%D8%AC%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%86%D8%A7%20%D9%85%D9%86%D9%83%D9%85%20%D9%85%D9%84%D8%A6%D9%83%D8%A9%20%D9%81%D9%8A%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D8%B1%D8%B6%20%D9%8A%D8%AE%D9%84%D9%81%D9%88%D9%86%20%D9%88%D8%A5%D9%86%D9%87%20%D9%84%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%85%20%D9%84%D9%84%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%A9%20%D9%81%D9%84%D8%A7%20%D8%AA%D9%85%D8%AA%D8%B1%D9%86%20%D8%A8%D9%87%D8%A7%20%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%AA%D8%A8%D8%B9%D9%88%D9%86%20%D9%87%D8%B0%D8%A7%20%D8%B5%D8%B1%D8%B7%20%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%82%D9%8A%D9%85

 

[Godobeyer]

قل إن كان للرحمن ولد فأنا أول العبدين سبحن رب السموت والأرض رب العرش عما يصفون فذرهم يخوضوا ويلعبوا حتى يلقوا يومهم الذي يوعدون وهو الذي في السماء إله وفي الأرض إله وهو الحكيم العليم وتبارك الذي له ملك السموت والأرض وما بينهما وعنده علم الساعة وإليه ترجعون ولا يملك الذين يدعون من دونه الشفعة إلا من شهد بالحق وهم يعلمون​

Qul in kana lilrrahmani waladun faana awwalu alAAabideena subhana rabbi alssamawati waal-ardi rabbi alAAarshi AAamma yasifoona fatharhum yakhoodoo wayalAAaboo hatta yulaqoo yawmahumu allathee yooAAadoona wahuwa allathee fee alssama-i ilahun wafee al-ardi ilahun wahuwa alhakeemu alAAaleemu watabaraka allathee lahu mulku alssamawati waal-ardi wama baynahuma waAAindahu AAilmu alssaAAati wa-ilayhi turjaAAoona wala yamliku allatheena yadAAoona min doonihi alshshafaAAata illa man shahida bialhaqqi wahum yaAAlamoona

Say: "Indeed on account of the most merciful Son, so I myself the worshippers' first.” Glory be to the heavens and the earth’s Lord, the throne's Lord, from what they ascribe. So leave them alone; they indulged and they jest until they meet their day whom they were threatened. And He, whom upon the cloud, God, and upon the earth, God, and He, the wise, the one who knows. And exalted whom certainly His, King (of) the heavens and the earth and what is between them and with Him is the knowledge of the Resurrection, and to Him you are taken back. And has no power to prevail whom they call from superior to Him, The Intercession, except He; He bore witness on account of The Truth and them, they know. (43.81- 86)



Again, sura 43 proclaims that the Son (i.e. Jesus Christ) possesses knowledge of the Resurrection (AAilmu alssaAAati).

again false tranlation , this is the correct translation :
Say (O Muhammad): If the Beneficent One hath a son, then, I shall be first among the worshippers. (81)Glorified be the Lord of the heavens and the earth, the Lord of the Throne, from that which they ascribe (unto Him)! (82) So let them flounder (in their talk) and play until they meet the Day which they are promised. (83) And He it is Who in the heaven is God, and in the earth God. He is the Wise, the Knower. (84) And blessed be He unto Whom belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and with Whom is knowledge of the Hour, and unto Whom ye will be returned. (85) And those unto whom they cry instead of Him possess no power of intercession, saving him who beareth witness unto the Truth knowingly. (86) And if thou ask them who created them, they will surely say: Allah. How then are they turned away? (87)And he saith: O my Lord! Lo! these are a folk who believe not. (88)Then bear with them (O Muhammad) and say: Peace. But they will come to know. (89)
please retranslate by google translator , each sentence alone to got close to the correct meaning .

Jesus Christ, the subject of these ayahs, also has these things revealed about Him:

• Jesus is worshiped as the Most Merciful
• Jesus is Lord of the heavens and earth
• Jesus is King of the heavens and earth
• Jesus is Lord of the Throne
• Jesus is God upon the Cloud
• Jesus is God upon the Earth
• Jesus is The Intercession
• Jesus is The Witness
• Jesus is The Truth
• None are superior to Him
• Jesus takes back those who are His on the Day of Resurrection

Not surprisingly, these ayahs are proclaiming Jesus’ return on a Cloud, on the Day of the First Resurrection, just as found in Revelation chapter fourteen.



You reject the Bible.

Are you now going to reject your Koran?

all the Quran talking about the mercy and glorey and powerful superior and truth , of God , and your claim it's mention to Jesus (pbuh) , you just read the some random verses from the Quran to discover that, whole the Quran glorey and superior God (Allah)

 

[Godobeyer]

People, even in Biblical times, worshipped Jesus as God.

He did not have to tell them to do this...nor did He tell them to stop.

Regarding Luke, why don't you provide some context, brother?

because even the New testement ,is modified and edited and it's not belong to Jesus (it's belong to John ,Mark ,Luke ,Paul and others) the verses that told us that Jesus (pbuh) is human is more than the verses that told us that Jesus (pbuh) is God .

إن مثل عيسى عند الله كمثل ءادم خلقه من


تراب ثم قال له كن فيكون​

Inna mathala AAeesa AAinda Allahi kamathali adama khalaqahu min turabin thumma qala lahu kun fayakoonu

3.59 Truly Jesus' similitude with“allah”, as/like Adam, He created him out of dust then said to him: "Be thou." so (he) is.




The message behind the rendering:

• Two comparisons are made “mathalu” & “kamathali”
• The first (former) comparison is between Jesus and “allah”
• “allah” is shown to be co-equal “mathalu” with Jesus
• Jesus is shown to have always existed “inna” with “inda” “allah”
• Jesus was not created
• The second (latter) comparison is redundant to the former
• The second comparison describes the creation “khalaqahu” of Adam
• It is referring to man…not to Jesus
• It is singular
• It refers to the act of measuring; or determining the measure, proportion, or the like, of a thing; and the making a thing by measure, or according to the measure of another thing; or proportioning a thing to another thing
• The originating or producing a thing after a pattern or model which one has devised, not after the similitude of anything pre-existing.
• As meaning the bringing into existence from a state of no-existence. As an act of God, signifies the creating out of nothing
• We are told that Adam was created, i.e. he had a beginning (out of nothing), in the likeness of his creator
• Adam is made from dust “turabin”
• The creation of man in this ayah is rooted in sura 86…which shares the same root as “turabin”
• The Word of “allah” brings forth Adam
• The Word i.e. Jesus is co-equal with “allah”
• Man is created through Jesus
• Jesus is God



Thus…it becomes quite clear that the second comparison of this ayah is simply re-enforcing the Biblical stance that Jesus (the Word) is what brought Adam into existence out of nothing.

I guess you traped by this fake/false translation of Quran ,

this is the correct translation of this ayah , from this site : Quran Recitation and Translation Online in Arabic, English, and Urdu

3-59:
"Lo! the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, then He said unto him: Be! and he is. (59)"

and please translate each colour alone to got close to the mean.

إن مثل عيسى عند الله كمثل ءادم خلقه من


تراب ثم قال له كن فيكون​

to be sure , i translate it for you , word by word ,
إن : the meaning of إن closer to THE
مثل: Such as ,like
عيسى : Jesus (pbuh)
عند :at
الله : God
كمثل : like

ءادم : Adam
خلقه : created him
من : from
تراب : dust,soil
ثم : then
قال : said
له : to him
كن : be

فيكون : it's will be

 

[Bowman]

I have one question to you about the New testement , did the authors of the New Testement , saw Jesus (pbuh) ?

Yes.

Did the authors of the Koran ever see "Muhammad"?

Your translation is fake or false ,and i will explain to you why it is .

but first let me explain to you these
1-And only Mary's Son : we have no problem with this

Are you sure...?

2-And they said: "Are our gods better or He?” : this verse it talking when Jesus (pbuh) and his believers disputing , the unbelievers , the unbelievers praied the Idols (Gods ) List of Greek mythological figures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and they dispute the friends of Jesus (pbuh) they told they our Gods is better than Jesus (pbuh) , that's not mean that Jesus (pbuh) is a god , it's mean that beliefs Vs Beliefs

Now why would anyone raise up Jesus as deity in the first place?

Unless, of course, He was deity.

He was used as the reference standard as the true God against all false gods.

3-And truly He(has) knowledge to The Resurrection, so have no doubt on account of it
this is fake , the word He is added to the translation , it's not belong to the Quran , and i will proof to you that is fake , He mean "هو " and it's spell "Howa " ... notice that the arabic is correct , but the translation is wrong/false

Better start studying the Arabic of which you already admitted to not knowing any....

this site is islamic site for Quran ,and Hadith , Quran Recitation and Translation Online in Arabic, English, and Urdu
this is my:
"And when the son of Mary is quoted as an example, behold! the folk laugh out, (57) And say: Are our gods better, or is he? They raise not the objection save for argument. Nay! but they are a contentious folk. (58) He is nothing but a slave on whom We bestowed favour, and We made him a pattern for the Children of Israel. (59)And had We willed We could have set among you angels to be viceroys in the earth. (60) And lo! verily there is knowledge of the Hour. So doubt ye not concerning it, but follow Me. This is the right path. (61) "

please use the google translator to check if there is He at the last verse :
And lo! verily there is knowledge of the Hour. So doubt ye not concerning it, but follow Me. This is the right path. (61)

you will find out that He did not existed and at the last of this ayah , it's mean it's that the translation is totaly fake and false .

Jesus is the only subject in these ayahs, brother.

Your god 'allah' is not even mentioned.

 

[Bowman]

again false tranlation , this is the correct translation :
Say (O Muhammad): If the Beneficent One hath a son, then, I shall be first among the worshippers. (81)Glorified be the Lord of the heavens and the earth, the Lord of the Throne, from that which they ascribe (unto Him)! (82) So let them flounder (in their talk) and play until they meet the Day which they are promised. (83) And He it is Who in the heaven is God, and in the earth God. He is the Wise, the Knower. (84) And blessed be He unto Whom belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and with Whom is knowledge of the Hour, and unto Whom ye will be returned. (85) And those unto whom they cry instead of Him possess no power of intercession, saving him who beareth witness unto the Truth knowingly. (86) And if thou ask them who created them, they will surely say: Allah. How then are they turned away? (87)And he saith: O my Lord! Lo! these are a folk who believe not. (88)Then bear with them (O Muhammad) and say: Peace. But they will come to know. (89)

The term "Muhammad" is not even in the Arabic, brother.

More abbrogation on your part...

please retranslate by google translator , each sentence alone to got close to the correct meaning .

LOL...!

You don't use google translator to translate your book of faith, brother.

Show some respect.

all the Quran talking about the mercy and glorey and powerful superior and truth , of God , and your claim it's mention to Jesus (pbuh) , you just read the some random verses from the Quran to discover that, whole the Quran glorey and superior God (Allah)

Your god 'allah' is not even mentioned, brother.

Try again...

 

[Bowman]

because even the New testement ,is modified and edited and it's not belong to Jesus (it's belong to John ,Mark ,Luke ,Paul and others) the verses that told us that Jesus (pbuh) is human is more than the verses that told us that Jesus (pbuh) is God .

Not according to the authors of the Koran.

 

[Luminous]

Do not show respect to your idol scriptures!!! abandon them for God is surely to punish you as IT already has before!!!

 

[A Thousand Suns]

Godobeyer i appreciate your efforts but you are really wasting your time with this Bowman guy

 

[Godobeyer]

Yes.

The authors of the Gospels , never saw Jesus (pbuh) , and you called the massive modification of His Gospel "inspiration " lol , tell me why there are many Gospels "4", and there were more , the christains select these 4 !!!

Did the authors of the Koran ever see "Muhammad"?

Qur'an - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you sure...?

in spite that the translation that you gave to me is fake/wrong , yes , Jesus is the son of mary, not the son of God , that what i mean

Now why would anyone raise up Jesus as deity in the first place?

Unless, of course, He was deity.

He was used as the reference standard as the true God against all false gods

i told it's not mean god vs god , it's mean faith vs faith

Better start studying the Arabic of which you already admitted to not knowing any....

my language is the arabic . but you not (your language is english) !!! who is suppose to start to study ? , i ask you to verify and use the translation to know if i am true or not . you don't it's your problem

Jesus is the only subject in these ayahs, brother.
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all the quran ,and all the ayahs are mix subject , check this by your sellf .

Your god 'allah' is not even mentioned

my god "allah" , do you believe me if i told you that Jesus (pbuh) called his God Allah !!!
check my thread :http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...04471-jesus-pbuh-said-elahi-his-language.html

and check the original (by aramaic language) movie of THE Passion of Christ
to be shocked

[youtube]yBTnwFq0Lf4[/youtube]
YouTube - ,in aramaic JESUS CALLED GOD: ALLAH

 

[Godobeyer]

The term "Muhammad" is not even in the Arabic, brother.

More abbrogation on your part...

the translation of the Quran is not the Quran him self , it's only the meaning , because of that they put the meaning between brakets

LOL...!

You don't use google translator to translate your book of faith, brother.

Show some respect.

the bible that it's in your hand it's translate from hebrew to english .lol don't use it ( it's translate ) hhhhhhhhhhhhh lol
i am regret/sorry, i ask you to check/verify the meaning , because you make me feel that you did not deserve my work .

Your god 'allah' is not even mentioned, brother.
Try again...

ok again check the movie of Jesus (pbuh) called " THE Passion of Christ "
to discover how Jesus (pbuh) called his god !!!
"ELAHI " mean my god in aramaic and arabic

but look i need you to deny all the contradition that i post to you and deny the 10 top reason why jesus is not GOD

[youtube]YW99U4JWNEc[/youtube]
YouTube - Top 10 reasons why Jesus Christ Isn't God-TheDeenShow

1. Jesus Never Said "I am God" in an un-equivocal, direct way. Whenever he seems to be saying this, when you read in context it is always about being one 'in purpose'.

2. Jesus Never Said "Worship me". He always directed worship towards the father, and always submitted to the will of his father. Luke 18:19 "Jesus answered him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." If Jesus is God why would he say this?

3. God cannot be born. Jesus was born.

4. God cannot die. He is from everlasting to everlasting. Jesus died. This is so simple!

5. Nobody has ever seen God. People saw Jesus.

6. Jesus never taught the trinity. The word trinity doesn't appear in the Bible, and is man-made.

7. God cannot be constrained into a box of any kind. He doesn't have a physical body i.e. You cannot put Him inside a human form and say "there is God". The Almighty Creator is much bigger than this. He makes his abode outside time and physical contraints.

8. Jesus ate, slept and prayed. God has no need for any of these (He is self-sufficient), and a God that needs to pray is not God at all. God doesn't have human needs. He cannot become a human, just the same way He cannot die, and cannot be beaten (this would go against the very fabric of His being). God did not become a human. The Bible tells us He would manifest to us a Son that would reveal His character to us. Jesus Christ is Immanuel, "God with us". Since we have already established that God cannot be constrained to any human form, this cannot mean that God came down to Earth as a human, so we must think outside the square. In a spiritual sense, Jesus was "God with us" in every possible way. As a representative of God, his purpose was to show us who God is and what He is about.

9. God doesn't change. His attributes are the same today, tomorrow and forever. eg. God is truthful, so He is not going to lie (ever!) or for anyone!

10. The Old Testament is very EXPLICIT with respect to who God is. There is ONE God. "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me." God doesn't change his mind and all of a sudden there is 2 (or 3) Gods.

Now it's your turn to answser .

 

[Luminous]

If you can't do something, you are limited. if your "God" is limited, my God is more powerful. my God is far beyond your understanding. again, both of you are wrong.

 

[Bowman]

The authors of the Gospels , never saw Jesus (pbuh) , and you called the massive modification of His Gospel "inspiration " lol , tell me why there are many Gospels "4", and there were more , the christains select these 4 !!!

Spoken like a true follower of islam.

You are one who has never even so much as read any of the Gospels.

Be honest, brother...

Qur'an - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No eye witnesses to the Koran, according to the Koran, brother.

Another islamic double standard.

in spite that the translation that you gave to me is fake/wrong , yes , Jesus is the son of mary, not the son of God , that what i mean

Nope.

The authors of the Koran clearly attempt to have Jesus be the Son of your "allah".

Since "allah" is a false god, this really cannot fly with cognizants...

 

[Luminous]

Godobeyer i appreciate your efforts but you are really wasting your time with this Bowman guy

well, in reality he is wasting his time with abrahamic idolatry.

 

[A Thousand Suns]

well, in reality he is wasting his time with abrahamic idolatry.

You are the one who doesn't understands who God is

Quran answers your belief

'When they are told, 'Follow what God has revealed herein,' they say, 'We follow what we found our parents doing.' What if their parents did not understand, and were not guided?' (2:170)

'They found their parents astray. And they blindly followed in their footsteps.' (37:69-70)

'Most of them follow nothing but conjecture, and conjecture is no substitute for the truth. God is fully aware of everything they do.' (10:36)

 

[Godobeyer]

Spoken like a true follower of islam.

You are one who has never even so much as read any of the Gospels.

Be honest, brother...

of course not all the gospels , ( not all the bible ), I read some of it , but i wounder why no christian could deny the contradiction that i show you ,it's very shame.

No eye witnesses to the Koran, according to the Koran, brother.

Another islamic double standard.

i want you one time give one argument correct with events . you just writing lie and believe it .

Nope.

The authors of the Koran clearly attempt to have Jesus be the Son of your "allah".

Since "allah" is a false god, this really cannot fly with cognizants...

Jesus (pbuh) prayed to Allah , and spell the his god " ALLAH " check the movie of THE Passion of Christ

or check my thread: http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...04471-jesus-pbuh-said-elahi-his-language.html

lol i guess i reply and deny your all lies , why you don't deny the 10 top reason until now ?

 

[Luminous]

You are the one who doesn't understands who God is

Quran answers your belief

'When they are told, 'Follow what God has revealed herein,' they say, 'We follow what we found our parents doing.' What if their parents did not understand, and were not guided?' (2:170)

'They found their parents astray. And they blindly followed in their footsteps.' (37:69-70)

'Most of them follow nothing but conjecture, and conjecture is no substitute for the truth. God is fully aware of everything they do.' (10:36)

Good for you, you think you KNOW GOD!!! through your idol scripture and are comfortable with yourself saying such a thing. you however, do not necissarily know truth and are thus being decieveful and insincere. my parents claimed to be Christian, as i once did becuase of the pressure, just as your children who understand their agnosticism claim to be muhammadists.
conjecture is no substitute for truth, i agree. thinking about it wont make it true. the only truth is that thinking about it wont make it true. unless ofcourse, i am wrong. but for now, i'll stick with that one and only Fundamental Truth.
Muhammadist Islam means surrender to the Qur'an. just because a word like Islam means something nice in the outside, does not mean those are its TRUE connotations.

 

[Bowman]

or check my thread: Jesus (pbuh) was said "Elahi" , in his language " Aramaic"

If Jesus spoke 'Aramaic', then why do the authors of the Koran have Him speaking in Arabic?!