the science proof that the Prophet Muhammad was existed lol

[England my lionheart]

Britain wasn't sent a warner,and as Muhammed was the supposed last Prophet/warner

Surah Fatir, Ch. 35, Verse 24 "There is not a nation or a tribe…there has never been a nation or a people, to whom a warner has not been sent"

The Qur’an says

Surah Raad, Ch.13, Verse 7 "And to every nation and to every people have we sent a guide".

What happened ? did our one get lost?

 

[Bowman]

The Koran did not claims because Prophet Muhammad was illeterate ,

According to the Koran, no one named "Muhammad" had anything at all to do with the Koran.

This is an islamic invention.

and the Quran contains many miracles,

There is no miracle in copying from the Holy Bible, brother.

and Bible contains of errors

Not according to the Koran.

Unless...you are now doubting the Koran...

you have to see the long debate , between DR Zakir and Willaim :

[youtube]Kz8yDqRQmMM[/youtube]
YouTube - 22 Biblical errors in 2 5 minutes DR ZAKIR NAIK

and This is reponds of Willaim :

[youtube]qi2Jm4qr_zs[/youtube]
YouTube - A christian missionary loses to Zakir Naik - 1

lol

It is easy to see why islam is such a mess when people like yourself obtain their theology from the likes of Naik, & Deedat (who literally was a used car salesman!).

 

[Bowman]

Islam

"Say: He is Allah,
The One and Only.
"Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.
"He begets not, nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him."
[Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]

Sura 112 can be approached in two different ways.

The first being that the verbs employed in this chapter are in the imperfect tense (i.e. incomplete action). Thus, there is absolutely no denial of a begotten Son in the past….only that no more will be begotten here on out.

A second, and more appealing interpretation for this chapter comes to us in the second ayah, as thus…


الله الصمد

Allahu alssamadu

112.2 " The erecting of allah."





Observe the key term used only this one time in the Koran…


صمد = “samadu”

“samadu” definition:

Masculine singular noun. Elevated ground: or elevated and rugged ground, not so high as to be a mountain: or hard, firm, or tough, ground: or a narrow, rugged, and low part of a mountain, producing trees. With the article “al”, an epithet applied to God. A lord; because one repairs, betakes himself, or has recourse, to him in exigencies; or, when applied to God, because affairs are stayed, or rested upon Him; or a person to whom one repairs, betakes himself, or has recourse, in exigencies; or signifies a lord to whom obedience is rendered, without whom no affair is accomplished: or one to whom lordship ultimately pertains; or a lord whose lordship has attained its utmost point or degree; in which sense it is not applicable to God: or the Being that continues, or continues forever for ever, after his creatures have perished: or the Creator of everything, of whom nothing is independent, and whose unity everything indicates: or one who takes no nourishment, or food: also high, or elevated; applied to anything: a man above whom is no one: a man who neither thirsts nor hungers in war. A Lord, one to whom reference is made in matters of importance; as an adjective it means sublime, everlasting. Solid: not hollow; in which sense it may not be applied to God. A people having no trade, or occupation, nor anything by means of which they may live.

الصمد = “al” + “samadu” = “alssamadu” = the setting up, or erecting, a thing

It comes from the root “samada” (sad-miim-dal), which means he tended, repaired, betook himself, or directed himself or his course or aim, to, or towards, him, or it; or endeavored to reach, or attain, or obtain, him, or it; or had recourse to him, or it. He pointed towards it. Set up, erect a thing, adorn, wish, repair, strike. To wish to approach any one.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume four, pp. 1726 - 1727
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, pp. 321 - 322
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, p.86
Concordance of the Koran, Gustav Flugel, p. 111



Even a casual study of the term “alssamadu”, being applied directly to the Koranic “allah”, is disturbing to say the least.

The term itself obviously emanates from pagan idol worship.

Look at the root definition:

• He directed himself towards it
• He pointed towards it.
• Set up, erect a thing

All these things speak of an idol that was worshiped as deity.

The term itself also speaks of an idol:

• Solid; not hollow
• Applied to anything
• A lord whose lordship has attained its utmost point or degree
• Elevated ground

A solid idol that has been placed on elevated ground and is worshiped due to the fact that it has attained its utmost point or degree.

Thus, if “allah” was a statue, as this ayah clearly indicates, then how could he ever beget a Son?

Think on it…

 

[Godobeyer]

Wrong again , First the God is the same who revealed Books on his Messangers ie Muhammad,Jesus,Moses(pbuh all)

Many people have a misconception that Islam is a new religion which came into existence 1400 years ago and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the founder of the religion of Islam. Infact Islam is there since time immemorial, since man set foot on the earth. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is not the founder of the religion of Islam but he is the last and final messenger of Islam.
Qur’an says
Surah Fatir, Ch. 35, Verse 24 "There is not a nation or a tribe…there has never been a nation or a people, to whom a warner has not been sent"

The Qur’an says

Surah Raad, Ch.13, Verse 7 "And to every nation and to every people have we sent a guide".

That means, there were messengers and guides, send to all the nations of the world. But by name, only 25 Prophets of Almighty God are mentioned in the Holy Qur’an by name. For example Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, David, Solomon, Jesus, Muhammed (Peace be upon him). By name, only 25 Messengers are mentioned in the Holy Qur’an. But our beloved Prophet Muhammed (Peace be upon him), is mentioned in the Hadith, has said that… ‘ There were more than 1,24,000 Messengers sent on the face of the earth.’ By name, only 25 are mentioned in the Qur’an. But all the messengers that came before Prophet Muhammed (Peace be upon him)

Concept Of God Is The Same in All Major Religions

Hinduism

"He is One only without a second."
[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1

Christianity

"My Father is greater than all."
[The Bible, John 10:29]

Judaism

"Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord."
[The Bible, Mark 12:29]

Islam

"Say: He is Allah,
The One and Only.
"Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.
"He begets not, nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him."
[Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]

Thank you

 

[Godobeyer]

Sura 112 can be approached in two different ways.

The first being that the verbs employed in this chapter are in the imperfect tense (i.e. incomplete action). Thus, there is absolutely no denial of a begotten Son in the past….only that no more will be begotten here on out.

A second, and more appealing interpretation for this chapter comes to us in the second ayah, as thus…


الله الصمد

Allahu alssamadu

112.2 " The erecting of allah."





Observe the key term used only this one time in the Koran…


صمد = “samadu”

“samadu” definition:

Masculine singular noun. Elevated ground: or elevated and rugged ground, not so high as to be a mountain: or hard, firm, or tough, ground: or a narrow, rugged, and low part of a mountain, producing trees. With the article “al”, an epithet applied to God. A lord; because one repairs, betakes himself, or has recourse, to him in exigencies; or, when applied to God, because affairs are stayed, or rested upon Him; or a person to whom one repairs, betakes himself, or has recourse, in exigencies; or signifies a lord to whom obedience is rendered, without whom no affair is accomplished: or one to whom lordship ultimately pertains; or a lord whose lordship has attained its utmost point or degree; in which sense it is not applicable to God: or the Being that continues, or continues forever for ever, after his creatures have perished: or the Creator of everything, of whom nothing is independent, and whose unity everything indicates: or one who takes no nourishment, or food: also high, or elevated; applied to anything: a man above whom is no one: a man who neither thirsts nor hungers in war. A Lord, one to whom reference is made in matters of importance; as an adjective it means sublime, everlasting. Solid: not hollow; in which sense it may not be applied to God. A people having no trade, or occupation, nor anything by means of which they may live.

الصمد = “al” + “samadu” = “alssamadu” = the setting up, or erecting, a thing

It comes from the root “samada” (sad-miim-dal), which means he tended, repaired, betook himself, or directed himself or his course or aim, to, or towards, him, or it; or endeavored to reach, or attain, or obtain, him, or it; or had recourse to him, or it. He pointed towards it. Set up, erect a thing, adorn, wish, repair, strike. To wish to approach any one.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume four, pp. 1726 - 1727
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, pp. 321 - 322
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, p.86
Concordance of the Koran, Gustav Flugel, p. 111



Even a casual study of the term “alssamadu”, being applied directly to the Koranic “allah”, is disturbing to say the least.

The term itself obviously emanates from pagan idol worship.

Look at the root definition:

• He directed himself towards it
• He pointed towards it.
• Set up, erect a thing

All these things speak of an idol that was worshiped as deity.

The term itself also speaks of an idol:

• Solid; not hollow
• Applied to anything
• A lord whose lordship has attained its utmost point or degree
• Elevated ground

A solid idol that has been placed on elevated ground and is worshiped due to the fact that it has attained its utmost point or degree.

Thus, if “allah” was a statue, as this ayah clearly indicates, then how could he ever beget a Son?

Think on it…

I love your debate
DR Zakir answser you :
[youtube]6KyXGL0l-OA[/youtube]
YouTube - Dr Zakir Naik Grammatical Mistakes in Quran Is there any ?

 

[Bowman]

I love your debate

Thanks...

 

[Godobeyer]

According to the Koran, no one named "Muhammad" had anything at all to do with the Koran.

According to your self maybe ,lol ,
but according to the Bible we discover recently that there is the name Muhammad (pbuh) in the Bible .(original Hebrew Bible)

Dailymotion - The absolute truth about Muhammad in the bible: Rabbis... - a People & Family video

There is no miracle in copying from the Holy Bible, brother.

The Bible had errors , and Quran had Miracles
[youtube]jaqgo2jDbfA[/youtube]
YouTube - miracle of the quran 1 of 7

Unless...you are now doubting the Koran...

I doubting the Quran ?? you have to go to sleep i guess you so tired .

It is easy to see why islam is such a mess when people like yourself obtain their theology from the likes of Naik, & Deedat (who literally was a used car salesman!).

I love that debate , and specially when William did not find the words , and he always refer to his books while he speaking , on Contrary of DR Naik , speaking mostly without (refer) using any book or paper lol !!!!!!

 

[Bowman]

According to your self maybe ,lol ,

Nope...according to your Koran.

Go ahead, show me one verse from your Koran in which it states that someone named "Muhammad" had anything at all to do with the material...

Good luck...

but according to the Bible we discover recently that there is the name Muhammad (pbuh) in the Bible .(original Hebrew Bible)

Dailymotion - The absolute truth about Muhammad in the bible: Rabbis... - a People & Family video

So...now the Holy Bible cannot be 'corrupted' because you want to use it to prove the existence of your "prophet"

Nice!

The Bible had errors , and Quran had Miracles
[youtube]jaqgo2jDbfA[/youtube]
YouTube - miracle of the quran 1 of 7

Show me one of your miracles which was not already mentioned in the Holy Bible thousands of years before it was copied into the Koran.

I doubting the Quran ?? you have to go to sleep i guess you so tired .
I love that debate , and specially when William did not find the words , and he always refer to his books while he speaking , on Contrary of DR Naik , speaking mostly without (refer) using any book or paper lol !!!!!!

Give me Naik's best proof.

 

[Luminous]

Wrong again , First the God is the same who revealed Books on his Messangers ie Muhammad,Jesus,Moses(pbuh all)

Many people have a misconception that Islam is a new religion which came into existence 1400 years ago and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the founder of the religion of Islam. Infact Islam is there since time immemorial, since man set foot on the earth. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is not the founder of the religion of Islam but he is the last and final messenger of Islam.
Qur’an says
Surah Fatir, Ch. 35, Verse 24 "There is not a nation or a tribe…there has never been a nation or a people, to whom a warner has not been sent"

The Qur’an says

Surah Raad, Ch.13, Verse 7 "And to every nation and to every people have we sent a guide".

That means, there were messengers and guides, send to all the nations of the world. But by name, only 25 Prophets of Almighty God are mentioned in the Holy Qur’an by name. For example Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, David, Solomon, Jesus, Muhammed (Peace be upon him). By name, only 25 Messengers are mentioned in the Holy Qur’an. But our beloved Prophet Muhammed (Peace be upon him), is mentioned in the Hadith, has said that… ‘ There were more than 1,24,000 Messengers sent on the face of the earth.’ By name, only 25 are mentioned in the Qur’an. But all the messengers that came before Prophet Muhammed (Peace be upon him)

Concept Of God Is The Same in All Major Religions

Hinduism

"He is One only without a second."
[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1

Christianity

"My Father is greater than all."
[The Bible, John 10:29]

Judaism

"Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord."
[The Bible, Mark 12:29]

Islam

"Say: He is Allah,
The One and Only.
"Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.
"He begets not, nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him."
[Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]

All religions have been true since the beginning of time ...at least they say. And pleanty Muslim texts agree with concepts of Hinduism, Christianity and or other religions, could it not be that yours is a perversion of their truth?

 

[Godobeyer]

Nope...according to your Koran.

Go ahead, show me one verse from your Koran in which it states that someone named "Muhammad" had anything at all to do with the material...

Good luck...

I am sure that you misunderstand the Islam , and you have no idea about it , because your claim ,it's very wrong claim ,
look at the sura 47, it's called "Muhammad" .

So...now the Holy Bible cannot be 'corrupted' because you want to use it to prove the existence of your "prophet"

Nice!

as you know we the muslims believe that Holy Bible sent from God to the jews , and it's was contains the name of "Muhammad pbuh" , but the jews did not accept that the last prophet not jewish prophet , as the habit , and god warning them in the bible , read these verse to know well that the jews denied.

De 32:21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people;
I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
Mt 21:43 43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

these two verses very clear ... these verses explain them selfs.

Show me one of your miracles which was not already mentioned in the Holy Bible thousands of years before it was copied into the Koran.

Koran was not copied from the Holy bible because there was not traduction of Holy bible in the arabic in that era .
for you question , i don't know if there were miracles in the bible , but if there were you should tell me .

Give me Naik's best proof.

I just post his video of 22 errors in the Bible in 2:30 s . if you want more check youtube there are many and cool videos ,but i will give you this is a video called The Proof That Islam Is The Truth, it's talking about the signs of the last day.

[youtube]HTxZLB7qTS8[/youtube]
YouTube - 15 - Signs of the Last Day - The Proof That Islam Is The Truth - Abdur-Raheem Green

 

[Bowman]

I am sure that you misunderstand the Islam ,

Who cares about islam?

and you have no idea about it , because your claim ,it's very wrong claim ,
look at the sura 47, it's called "Muhammad" .

And...?

A title afixed to a chapter in your book of faith long after it was first penned.

as you know we the muslims believe that Holy Bible sent from God to the jews , and it's was contains the name of "Muhammad pbuh" , but the jews did not accept that the last prophet not jewish prophet , as the habit , and god warning them in the bible , read these verse to know well that the jews denied.

De 32:21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people;
I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
Mt 21:43 43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

these two verses very clear ... these verses explain them selfs.

The Holy Bible was sent to the Jews?

Interesting...

Koran was not copied from the Holy bible because there was not traduction of Holy bible in the arabic in that era .

Yes....the Koran was copied directly from the Holy Bible.

for you question , i don't know if there were miracles in the bible , but if there were you should tell me .

Why don't you actually read the Holy Bible for yourself, brother?

More than amazing is the fact that followers of islam are trained to attack a book that they have not even bothered to read themselves.

I have read your Koran.

Now you read the Holy Bible.

I just post his video of 22 errors in the Bible in 2:30 s . if you want more check youtube there are many and cool videos ,but i will give you this is a video called The Proof That Islam Is The Truth, it's talking about the signs of the last day.

[youtube]HTxZLB7qTS8[/youtube]
YouTube - 15 - Signs of the Last Day - The Proof That Islam Is The Truth - Abdur-Raheem Green

Why don't you come up with something on your own, brother?

No one is interested in your googled replies to something that you are completely ignorant of yourself...

 

[Godobeyer]

Who cares about islam?

Terry Jones , and you of course , because this thread (islamic proof)
hhhhhhhhhhhhhh
lol .

And...?
A title afixed to a chapter in your book of faith long after it was first penned.

i guess i got you here,

The Holy Bible was sent to the Jews?

Interesting...

don't you know that ,ask your dady
don't tell that you don't know that God sent Prophets also to the Jews ?

Yes....the Koran was copied directly from the Holy Bible.

proof that .

Why don't you actually read the Holy Bible for yourself, brother?

More than amazing is the fact that followers of islam are trained to attack a book that they have not even bothered to read themselves.

I have read your Koran.

Now you read the Holy Bible.

I read some of it , but i read also its contradictions and errors , that it's proof that it's modified and edited ,
you ask me who cares of Quran ,
i guess who read the Quran (you):clap

Why don't you come up with something on your own, brother?

No one is interested in your googled replies to something that you are completely ignorant of yourself...

i am not waiting very much reply , i post , who cares about my thread would reply.
I just post new thread called ( Top 10 reasons why Jesus Christ Isn't God ) no one could deny it , at least ONE REASON !!!!!! lol

 

[Luminous]

arguing with eachother wont help. you're both wrong

 

[Godobeyer]

arguing with eachother wont help. you're both wrong

-correct the wrong if you see there is a mistake . ( i mean where is the wrong ?)

 

[David M]

Koran was not copied from the Holy bible because there was not traduction of Holy bible in the arabic in that era .

You are joking right?

You realise that during that period most of the population was illiterate so people's exposure to religious teachings were through oral methods rather than written ones.

Are you also aware that christianity was firmly established in Syria in the pre-islamic period?

 

[Godobeyer]

You are joking right?

You realise that during that period most of the population was illiterate so people's exposure to religious teachings were through oral methods rather than written ones.

Are you also aware that christianity was firmly established in Syria in the pre-islamic period?

i am not joking i putting the arguments
Bible translations (Arabic) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Luminous]

-correct the wrong if you see there is a mistake . ( i mean where is the wrong ?)

i would if i had studied the histories of the idol scripture...but history itself is very open to interpretation. also, any idol passage can mean anything to anyone. for example, if i can take an idol passage out of context (and I can) that means you can too...even if said idol passage had some original and specific meaning; that would be hard to discern, because you did not create such idol passage.) The only self-evident and clear axiom is the agnosticism of humanity, and every single individual.

 

[Godobeyer]

arguing with eachother wont help. you're both wrong

you juge that we are both wrong

-correct the wrong if you see there is a mistake . ( i mean where is the wrong ?)

then i asked you to proof that if am wrong

i would if i had studied the histories of the idol scripture...but history itself is very open to interpretation. also, any idol passage can mean anything to anyone. for example, if i can take an idol passage out of context (and I can) that means you can too...even if said idol passage had some original and specific meaning; that would be hard to discern, because you did not create such idol passage.) The only self-evident and clear axiom is the agnosticism of humanity, and every single individual.

you tell me i would if i had studied !!!! how you judge something that it's wrong or correct ,if you don't know any thing about it ???

 

[Luminous]

you tell me i would if i had studied !!!! how you judge something that it's wrong or correct ,if you don't know any thing about it ???

I know their histories well enough, just not in a deeply scholarly manner... which is a nice way of saying that they are not interesting... i don't know most relgions well enough, but then again, neither do you. and also i judge by the fruit. the only religion i can know and bother to deeply ponder upon and remember is my own...and this is true for everyone. it is the basis for people's stray from agnostic truth.

 

[Luminous]

Oh, i took your comments out of context...let me re-iterate my position. I don't study your religion in a deeply scholarly manner because it would be a waste of time, unless i studied every religion; and that might still be a waste being as it is obvious and self-evident that i am agnostic, and it is a good assumption that all people are agnostic...being as no one can know anything for sure except someone infallable, and that would not be me. therefore i could not judge very accurately and surely if someone was infallable and all-knowing. so i might as well asume that all people are as agnostic as me. But like i said, you are both wrong...and wasting time and remaining in ignorance and denial of agnostic truth because of your shame of having already wasted time or for other reasons can truely be the most pityful wtrongs that a true Judge would punish(among others). In anycase, the Qur'an (Hearsay of God) and the Bible (Magazine of accounts) are both idol scripture that are actually very equally realiable in revealing truth, that being they have no authority in of themselves to deny agnosticism. Also, the Qur'an is not copying the (insert version here)Bible and the Bible is not a pre-curser to the Qur'an. they are both rather independent scripture; and both are rather as weak for revealing truths from God. So, being as the idol scriptures are very interpretable: it would be rather imposible for me to prove your opinions wrong with my opinions. have you proved the epic of Gilgamesh wrong? can you correct the Code of Hammurabi in any credible way. In what manner are the Tripitaka scriptures incorrect? proove an Egyptian Book of the Dead wrong... the list would go on and on.