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the science proof that the Prophet Muhammad was existed lol

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tri-polar optimist
you give this equalation for muslims , it's more than 1+1+1=1 (christians equalation )

i said this
islamic history said there was an eclipse of sun at the death of Ibrahim at 27-1-632.
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the softwares which calculate the eclipse of the sun during the past and the future confirmed that was an eclipse of sun at 27-1-632... that mean the history of Islam based on the truth , and it's a proof that Ibrahim death is true accident.

I still don't get it. Did Ibrahim die because the sun eclipsed, or did the sun eclipse because Ibrahim died?
I'm just a lot slower than most people on RF. :turtle:
 

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
look try to understand me , it you have for exmeple an accident
(event in the past , that accident corspend an eclipse of sun for a
specific day ,(registered ) , and you have a software caculate the
eclipses of sun during the time , our curois push us to make sure
if there is an eclipse of sun in that day (specific day) ,
that what i do i find these softwares and make sure by my self

and in the end i discover that there was an eclipse of sun at that accident , that mean the history of Islam based on the truth , and that mean that Ibrahim and Prophat Muhammad (pbuh) were existed .

-look i did not Invented these softwares , and i did not created the date of the accident (the date registed in the Islam History) ....
the accident (of death corespond the eclipse of sun) happened in the past , and software created recently,
the eclipse of the sun that happened in the past confirmed by these softwares ...do you understand me !!!!!

I'm trying to be patient here...

Yes I understand what you're saying but you're wrong. If there is a story that says someone died and an eclipse happened, there are two different claims:

1) That the person in the story existed
2) That an eclipse happened

When you prove that an eclipse happened, it does not (not, not, not, not, NOT!!) prove that the person existed. All you've proven is that the eclipse happened -- the other part is still not evidenced.

Ok? Proving that the eclipse happened at the time the story says it happened does NOT prove other parts about the story right. It doesn't. That's what we've all been trying to get you to see.
 

Luminous

non-existential luminary
you try to avoid my question , remember i posted this :

then i ask you to deny and give the explaintions .... you change the subject to the authors of the Quran , to avoid the embarrassing situation !!!!!
The Quran is hearsay to the 5th degree.
The Bibles, however, are merely re-edited magazines.
All of your abrahamic, anti-agnostic stances are against God, and against fundamental truth.
 
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Luminous

non-existential luminary
Actually most book written on the corruption of bible is written by Christians themselves, there are basic errors of history,science,maths and somewhere bible starts talking about imaginary things like unicorn etc

And if Quran copied from Bible then how come there are none of these errors , sorry to break it to you , your belief is based on blind faith and assumptions , the reality is totally different
doesn't your idol scripture contain flying horses and spliting moons?
 

Luminous

non-existential luminary
Actually you do your complete research on islam until you are satisfied and may i ask which part of Quran you disagree with??
I was actually being rhetorical...trying to demonstrate how the conversation would not work the way the OP had intended. I looked into Islam long ago, its basic premises are far too anti-agnostic, dogmatic, idolizing, and false.
 

A Thousand Suns

Rationalist
doesn't your idol scripture contain flying horses and spliting moons?

Actually its which Bible mentions unicorns etc not Quran

Nnd for splitting moon its a miracle given to prophet Muhammad (pbuh) like the miracles gien to other Prophets(pbuh all)

There are more than a thousand verses in the Glorious Qur’an, containing scientific facts (refer my book "Qur’an and Modern Science-Compatible or Incompatible?"). Many facts mentioned in the Qur’an have been discovered in the last few centuries. But science has not advanced to a level where it can confirm every statement of the Qur’an.

Suppose 80% of all that is mentioned in the Qur’an has been proved 100% correct. About the remaining 20%, science makes no categorical statement, since it has not advanced to a level, where it can either prove or disprove these statements. With the limited knowledge that we have, we cannot say for sure whether even a single percentage or a single verse of the Qur’an from this 20% portion is wrong. Thus when 80% of the Qur’an is 100% correct and the remaining 20% is not disproved, logic says that even the 20% portion is correct. The existence of the hereafter, which is mentioned in the Qur’an, falls in the 20% ambiguous portion which my logic says is correct.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
I still don't get it. Did Ibrahim die because the sun eclipsed, or did the sun eclipse because Ibrahim died?
I'm just a lot slower than most people on RF. :turtle:
Nor the two of them


Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was talking about this accident , please read this paragraphe :

The occasion of the death of Ibrahim also coincided with an eclipse of the sun. A phenomenon the Muslims began to circulate by rumor as a miracle. The word went out saying that the sun was eclipsed in sadness over the death of Ibrahim. Upon hearing this Muhammad
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is reported as saying : "The sun and the moon are signs of God. They are eclipsed neither for the death nor birth of any man. On beholding an eclipse, therefore, remember God and turn to Him in prayer."
 
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Bowman

Active Member
Actually most book written on the corruption of bible is written by Christians themselves, there are basic errors of history,science,maths and somewhere bible starts talking about imaginary things like unicorn etc

And if Quran copied from Bible then how come there are none of these errors , sorry to break it to you , your belief is based on blind faith and assumptions , the reality is totally different

I think that you just answered your own question, brother.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
I'm trying to be patient here...

Yes I understand what you're saying but you're wrong. If there is a story that says someone died and an eclipse happened, there are two different claims:

1) That the person in the story existed
2) That an eclipse happened

When you prove that an eclipse happened, it does not (not, not, not, not, NOT!!) prove that the person existed. All you've proven is that the eclipse happened -- the other part is still not evidenced.

Ok? Proving that the eclipse happened at the time the story says it happened does NOT prove other parts about the story right. It doesn't. That's what we've all been trying to get you to see.

I am glad that you endly understand me , you know what most of the muslims , did not know this story , because it's not very important stroy in the history of Islam , but i heard about there was an eclipse of sun happened at the age (era) of prophet muhammad , and suddenly one day , i downlaoding softwares , i found a software calculate the eclipse of the sun (in the future and past) , i talk to my self , why i did not verify if there was an eclipse of sun at that day ?
i download the sofltware then i I make a search about that event (date) , i found it , but i found it in Islamic date (mode ) called HIJRI (29 Shawwal 10 AH) ... i convert the HIJRI (Islamic date) to Gregorian (Christians date) the result is :
27-1-632
then i enter the date 27-1-632 at the software , the software confirmed the eclipse at this day.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Actually most book written on the corruption of bible is written by Christians themselves, there are basic errors of history,science,maths and somewhere bible starts talking about imaginary things like unicorn etc

And if Quran copied from Bible then how come there are none of these errors , sorry to break it to you , your belief is based on blind faith and assumptions , the reality is totally different
and we can say the new testement is copied from the old testement
 

Luminous

non-existential luminary
Actually its which Bible mentions unicorns etc not Quran

Nnd for splitting moon its a miracle given to prophet Muhammad (pbuh) like the miracles gien to other Prophets(pbuh all)

There are more than a thousand verses in the Glorious Qur’an, containing scientific facts (refer my book "Qur’an and Modern Science-Compatible or Incompatible?"). Many facts mentioned in the Qur’an have been discovered in the last few centuries. But science has not advanced to a level where it can confirm every statement of the Qur’an.

Suppose 80% of all that is mentioned in the Qur’an has been proved 100% correct. About the remaining 20%, science makes no categorical statement, since it has not advanced to a level, where it can either prove or disprove these statements. With the limited knowledge that we have, we cannot say for sure whether even a single percentage or a single verse of the Qur’an from this 20% portion is wrong. Thus when 80% of the Qur’an is 100% correct and the remaining 20% is not disproved, logic says that even the 20% portion is correct. The existence of the hereafter, which is mentioned in the Qur’an, falls in the 20% ambiguous portion which my logic says is correct.
:sarcastic: actually science hasn't advanced far enought to prove Hinduism correct...:rolleyes:
 

A Thousand Suns

Rationalist
ofcourse i do, but they could be wrong. they are not to be venerated dogmatically...they should be tested and questioned. and also, i am not Hindu.

If you were a Hindu , Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) have been prophesied by name/location/qualities etc hundreds of time clearly in Hindu scripture
 

Luminous

non-existential luminary
If you were a Hindu , Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) have been prophesied by name/location/qualities etc hundreds of time clearly in Hindu scripture
Odd that Hindus aren't praying to the abrahamic god. But the Buddhists say the same of the Buddha, and the Christians of Jesus, and the Bahai'is of Bahaula.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
The NT claims to reference the OT, brother.

The Koran claims to reference the Holy Bible.

There is no escape from this...

The Koran did not claims because Prophet Muhammad was illeterate , and the Quran contains many miracles, and Bible contains of errors

you have to see the long debate , between DR Zakir and Willaim :

[youtube]Kz8yDqRQmMM[/youtube]
YouTube - 22 Biblical errors in 2 5 minutes DR ZAKIR NAIK

and This is reponds of Willaim :

[youtube]qi2Jm4qr_zs[/youtube]
YouTube - A christian missionary loses to Zakir Naik - 1

lol
 

A Thousand Suns

Rationalist
Odd that Hindus aren't praying to the abrahamic god. But the Buddhists say the same of the Buddha, and the Christians of Jesus, and the Bahai'is of Bahaula.

Wrong again , First the God is the same who revealed Books on his Messangers ie Muhammad,Jesus,Moses(pbuh all)

Many people have a misconception that Islam is a new religion which came into existence 1400 years ago and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the founder of the religion of Islam. Infact Islam is there since time immemorial, since man set foot on the earth. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is not the founder of the religion of Islam but he is the last and final messenger of Islam.
Qur’an says
Surah Fatir, Ch. 35, Verse 24 "There is not a nation or a tribe…there has never been a nation or a people, to whom a warner has not been sent"

The Qur’an says

Surah Raad, Ch.13, Verse 7 "And to every nation and to every people have we sent a guide".

That means, there were messengers and guides, send to all the nations of the world. But by name, only 25 Prophets of Almighty God are mentioned in the Holy Qur’an by name. For example Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, David, Solomon, Jesus, Muhammed (Peace be upon him). By name, only 25 Messengers are mentioned in the Holy Qur’an. But our beloved Prophet Muhammed (Peace be upon him), is mentioned in the Hadith, has said that… ‘ There were more than 1,24,000 Messengers sent on the face of the earth.’ By name, only 25 are mentioned in the Qur’an. But all the messengers that came before Prophet Muhammed (Peace be upon him)

Concept Of God Is The Same in All Major Religions

Hinduism

"He is One only without a second."
[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1

Christianity

"My Father is greater than all."
[The Bible, John 10:29]

Judaism

"Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord."
[The Bible, Mark 12:29]

Islam

"Say: He is Allah,
The One and Only.
"Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.
"He begets not, nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him."
[Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]
 
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