The sick concept of Eternal hell suffering.

[TheAceOfKnaves]

The concept of eternal hell suffering is demented and insane. Imagine what it would entail. I could take a simple sowing needle, and begin to stick it in someones forehead. Lets just say I did this once a minute, for twenty four hours a day. After 30 or 40 days of this constant little pricking, the human would just about be ready for insanity. Muchless 100 years of it, but people think God will afflict even worse on humans for even longer than 40 days, but 400,000,000 trillion times 678, 999, 543 billion years on into never ending infinity.

What Kind of being do you think God is? That would be PURE insanity, and produce nothing but insanity.

Good Greif, I would have nothing to do with a religion that tells these lies on God.

Don't you believe that about God.

Peace.

Hey mickiel, this is exactly where we started. If you're going to ask questions or bring up a topic, you'd better be sure you can handle the answers without repeating yourself and looking foolish. If you've had enough, if you're done listening, then just say it. Don't pansy out and use the same argument when your new ones don't work.

 

[mickiel]

Hey mickiel, this is exactly where we started. If you're going to ask questions or bring up a topic, you'd better be sure you can handle the answers without repeating yourself and looking foolish. If you've had enough, if you're done listening, then just say it. Don't pansy out and use the same argument when your new ones don't work.

There is really nothing you can do to silence me, I have asked no questions of you, and I am not argueing with you, I merely state my beliefs. And I like repeating myself, because I believe in the truth repeated. In Job 23:13;" God is unique and who can turn him? What his soul desires that he does. In 1Tim.2:4 " He desires all men to be saved and come to understand the truth." He will get this desire, inspite of what certain believers in him are going around teaching about hell.

God desires everyone to be saved, what he desires that he does. I couldcareless what you believe, this is what I believe. In Romans 5:18, all men were condemned through one act, conversely all men will be saved through Jesus one act.

I have not " Had enough", this post has garnered enough intrest for me to continue, which I will as long as the intrest continue. Now if you want to start a crusade to end this post, then so be it, do as you must.

But don't look to control me with your insinuations, they fall on death ears.

Peace.

 

[TheAceOfKnaves]

There is really nothing you can do to silence me, I have asked no questions of you, and I am not argueing with you, I merely state my beliefs. And I like repeating myself, because I believe in the truth repeated. In Job 23:13;" God is unique and who can turn him? What his soul desires that he does. In 1Tim.2:4 " He desires all men to be saved and come to understand the truth." He will get this desire, inspite of what certain believers in him are going around teaching about hell.

God desires everyone to be saved, what he desires that he does. I couldcareless what you believe, this is what I believe. In Romans 5:18, all men were condemned through one act, conversely all men will be saved through Jesus one act.

I have not " Had enough", this post has garnered enough intrest for me to continue, which I will as long as the intrest continue. Now if you want to start a crusade to end this post, then so be it, do as you must.

But don't look to control me with your insinuations, they fall on death ears.

Peace.

First of all, I am sorry for your loss. Those ears must have been with you for a while. Secondly, can you still believe what you believe if you have no evidence, and if there is evidence that points all to the contrary? I know you can turn that right back on me, but I have always had evidence to prove my point, evidence that was relevant, in context, and not repetition of earlier evidence. Neither do I have any desire to end this thread, but unless you can refute my points, what need is there for this thread?

 

[mickiel]

Every website I vist, my post garner intrest, those which don't, I stop posting on them myself.

I know and understand that there will be those who seek to stop what I am saying, literally hate the fact that I believe in the total salvation of all of humanity, because I understand thats why we were created. To Live, not die or be punished forever. Oh God will punish humanity, but he will also forgive them and devinely pardon everyone, thats just how much grace he has.

While those hell mongers argue for eternal punishment, I will continue to argue for the Life of all of humanity.

Even still, Peace.

 

[mickiel]

First of all, I am sorry for your loss. Those ears must have been with you for a while. Secondly, can you still believe what you believe if you have no evidence, and if there is evidence that points all to the contrary? I know you can turn that right back on me, but I have always had evidence to prove my point, evidence that was relevant, in context, and not repeated.

I am not trying to prove anythiong to you, or anyonelse, I repeat, I couldcareless what you believe. I believe that Jesus death cancelled out ALL forms of debt against sinful humanity, as Colossians 2:14 clearly states. Jesus took the sins of humanity away, I am sorry that certain believers in him are trying to bring those sins back and condemn unbelievers.

Peace.

 

[TheAceOfKnaves]

I am not trying to prove anythiong to you, or anyonelse, I repeat, I couldcareless what you believe. I believe that Jesus death cancelled out ALL forms of debt against sinful humanity, as Colossians 2:14 clearly states. Jesus took the sins of humanity away, I am sorry that certain believers in him are trying to bring those sins back and condemn unbelievers.

Peace.

Why do you refute the verses that say people, not demons will be punished for eternity, not for a little while?

 

[mickiel]

Why do you refute the verses that say people, not demons will be punished for eternity, not for a little while?

Because those verses do not square with Gods nature, he would do no such thing. I don't know how they got into the bible, but I refuse to believe them. I don't know God that well as of yet, but I KNOW that he will do no such thing.

God is LOVE, PEACE, LONGSUFFERING, GENTLE, KIND, and NONE of those things would punish humans forever! People believe in eternal punishment because THEY ARE NOT these ways themselves!

God promised in Rev. 21:4 that there will be NO MORE crying, no more death, no more Pain. He promised in Rev.22:3 that there will be no more curses. If there was a hell, it surely would be a curse, a place of pain and misery. God said NO MORE! But its certain believers in God who WANT and DESIRE this eternal hell punishing, because thats what THEY desire, they really do not desire that all humans be saved.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Hey mickiel, this is exactly where we started. If you're going to ask questions or bring up a topic, you'd better be sure you can handle the answers without repeating yourself and looking foolish. If you've had enough, if you're done listening, then just say it. Don't pansy out and use the same argument when your new ones don't work.

You accuse me of using the same arguement. This post has over 800 replies, over 9,000 views, most of those replies are mine. I have listed hundreds of scriptures, given just as many explinations, you just can't see them.

Peace.

 

[TheAceOfKnaves]

Because those verses do not square with Gods nature, he would do no such thing. I don't know how they got into the bible, but I refuse to believe them. I don't know God that well as of yet, but I KNOW that he will do no such thing.

God is LOVE, PEACE, LONGSUFFERING, GENTLE, KIND, and NONE of those things would punish humans forever! People believe in eternal punishment because THEY ARE NOT these ways themselves!

God promised in Rev. 21:4 that there will be NO MORE crying, no more death, no more Pain. He promised in Rev.22:3 that there will be no more curses. If there was a hell, it surely would be a curse, a place of pain and misery. God said NO MORE! But its certain believers in God who WANT and DESIRE this eternal hell punishing, because thats what THEY desire, they really do not desire that all humans be saved.

Peace.

1. How can you know God's nature if you are ignoring the very source that tells you what that is? You can't just pick what you want God to be. Gods ways are not our ways, and what He thinks is best is best.
2. Again, you are ignoring some of God's qualities, such as just, and yes one of them denotes long suffering: LONGSUFFERING!
3. These verses speak of the New Earth, which is where God will send those that believed in Him, and yes, there will be no more suffering there.
P.S. If you want to give your arguments more power, stop taking the verses you use as evidence out of context.
P.P.S. I know that longsuffering doesn't mean that.

 

[mickiel]

1. How can you know God's nature if you are ignoring the very source that tells you what that is? You can't just pick what you want God to be. Gods ways are not our ways, and what He thinks is best is best.
2. Again, you are ignoring some of God's qualities, such as just, and yes one of them denotes long suffering: LONGSUFFERING!
3. These verses speak of the New Earth, which is where God will send those that believed in Him, and yes, there will be no more suffering there.
P.S. If you want to give your arguments more power, stop taking the verses you use as evidence out of context.

I hold absolutely no NEED to give my words more power, the truth stands on its own power. Your mind is just not seeing what my mind sees. Your view of God includes hell and suffering, mine does not. You have accepted it, I reject it. I believe Jesus is the propitition for all of our sins, he cancels all sin out, removing any need for eternal hell, 1John 2:2. In 1Tim. 2:6, he is the ransom for ALL, further removing any need for hell. In John 1:29 he took away the sins of the world and the gates of hell cannot prevail against that in my mind. In Heb.2:9 he tasted death for EVERYONE, further removing any need for hell. In 1John 4:14 he is called the " Savior of the WORLD!" Not just people like you, but the savior of sinners like me too. This further removes hell. I can see these scriptures, why are you ignoring them?

In John 12:32 Jesus claimed that if he be crucified that he will draw ALL men to him. I believe that, why don't you? Jesus will restore all things, Acts 3:21, what makes you think a hell will be needed after he restores all of humanity? In Phil. 3:21 Jesus has the power to subject all things to himself, good greif, if he can subject all humans to himself, how in the hell will a place like hell be needed? Jesus will reconcile ALL things, Col.1:20, and complettely destroy the works of the devil, 1John 3:8. There is therefore no more condemnation that a created hell would require.

Peace.

 

[TheAceOfKnaves]

You accuse me of using the same arguement. This post has over 800 replies, over 9,000 views, most of those replies are mine. I have listed hundreds of scriptures, given just as many explinations, you just can't see them.

Peace.

First, how can you say that the majority of 800 replies are yours when you only have 200 posts total, ever? And second, even in a one-on-one discussion with me, you have repeated your evidence, so you obviously don't have that much when it comes to this topic.

 

[mickiel]

First, how can you say that the majority of 800 replies are yours when you only have 200 posts total, ever? And second, even in a one-on-one discussion with me, you have repeated your evidence, so you obviously don't have that much when it comes to this topic.

Then simply do not address me again.

Peace.

 

[TheAceOfKnaves]

I hold absolutely no NEED to give my words more power, the truth stands on its own power. Your mind is just not seeing what my mind sees. Your view of God includes hell and suffering, mine does not. You have accepted it, I reject it. I believe Jesus is the propitition for all of our sins, he cancels all sin out, removing any need for eternal hell, 1John 2:2. In 1Tim. 2:6, he is the ransom for ALL, further removing any need for hell. In John 1:29 he took away the sins of the world and the gates of hell cannot prevail against that in my mind. In Heb.2:9 he tasted death for EVERYONE, further removing any need for hell. In 1John 4:14 he is called the " Savior of the WORLD!" Not just people like you, but the savior of sinners like me too. This further removes hell. I can see these scriptures, why are you ignoring them?

In John 12:32 Jesus claimed that if he be crucified that he will draw ALL men to him. I believe that, why don't you? Jesus will restore all things, Acts 3:21, what makes you think a hell will be needed after he restores all of humanity? In Phil. 3:21 Jesus has the power to subject all things to himself, good greif, if he can subject all humans to himself, how in the hell will a place like hell be needed? Jesus will reconcile ALL things, Col.1:20, and complettely destroy the works of the devil, 1John 3:8. There is therefore no more condemnation that a created hell would require.

Peace.

Yes, you are correct, the purpose of Jesus was to save all men, and as I have said before men are searching for something higher than themselves, so he will draw all men, I have acknowledged that attraction. What you are forgetting is that although Jesus came as a ransom for all men, not all men will necessarily choose Him. Matthew 5:12, " Unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven." You have to belive in Christ, or you will not go to heaven, and if you are not in Heaven you will be in Hell.

 

[mickiel]

First, how can you say that the majority of 800 replies are yours when you only have 200 posts total, ever? And second, even in a one-on-one discussion with me, you have repeated your evidence, so you obviously don't have that much when it comes to this topic.

I do not comment on other peoples post. I only comment on my own. I hold no intrest in what is being discussed, and I rarely get into one on one discussion.

I think you can see why.

Peace.

 

[TheAceOfKnaves]

Then simply do not address me again.

Peace.

You're avoiding the fact that you either blatanty lied, were ignorant, cannot count, or are frustrated enough that you are grasping at straws.

 

[TheAceOfKnaves]

I do not comment on other peoples post. I only comment on my own. I hold no intrest in what is being discussed, and I rarely get into one on one discussion.

I think you can see why.

Peace.

No, I can't see why. Please elaborate.

 

[TheAceOfKnaves]

I do not comment on other peoples post. I only comment on my own. I hold no intrest in what is being discussed, and I rarely get into one on one discussion.

I think you can see why.

Peace.

I don't see the point. Why post when you don't want to see other points of view?

 

[Know the Truth]

I hold absolutely no NEED to give my words more power, the truth stands on its own power. Your mind is just not seeing what my mind sees. Your view of God includes hell and suffering, mine does not. You have accepted it, I reject it. I believe Jesus is the propitition for all of our sins, he cancels all sin out, removing any need for eternal hell, 1John 2:2. In 1Tim. 2:6, he is the ransom for ALL, further removing any need for hell. In John 1:29 he took away the sins of the world and the gates of hell cannot prevail against that in my mind. In Heb.2:9 he tasted death for EVERYONE, further removing any need for hell. In 1John 4:14 he is called the " Savior of the WORLD!" Not just people like you, but the savior of sinners like me too. This further removes hell. I can see these scriptures, why are you ignoring them?

In John 12:32 Jesus claimed that if he be crucified that he will draw ALL men to him. I believe that, why don't you? Jesus will restore all things, Acts 3:21, what makes you think a hell will be needed after he restores all of humanity? In Phil. 3:21 Jesus has the power to subject all things to himself, good greif, if he can subject all humans to himself, how in the hell will a place like hell be needed? Jesus will reconcile ALL things, Col.1:20, and complettely destroy the works of the devil, 1John 3:8. There is therefore no more condemnation that a created hell would require.

Peace.

So the fact that Jesus talked more about hell than about heaven means what to you? Jesus, who is God the Son, and died for our sins, said "few" would find the way to eternal life and "many" would go the broad way that leads to destruction. When he speaks, it is true, eternal truth. Embrace it if you embrace him.

 

[J Bryson]

The only possible reasons to inflict harm on a sentient being are either self-defense or discipline to ensure correct behavior. As God is obviously not acting in self-defense against us, and the "eternal" part of the hellfire seems to indicate that there will be no further opportunity to correct one's behavior, I can only see the concept of eternal punishment on the part of a loving god as being the product of deranged minds who somehow managed to scribble notes in the proofs of an otherwise excellent read.

 

[Know the Truth]

The only possible reasons to inflict harm on a sentient being are either self-defense or discipline to ensure correct behavior. As God is obviously not acting in self-defense against us, and the "eternal" part of the hellfire seems to indicate that there will be no further opportunity to correct one's behavior, I can only see the concept of eternal punishment on the part of a loving god as being the product of deranged minds who somehow managed to scribble notes in the proofs of an otherwise excellent read.

Again, when you figure out how and why the Creator inflicted unspeakable harm on his Son, you will be ready to review your esteemed opinion on "the only possible reasons." There will come a time, maybe soon, maybe not, when God will say 'enough' and banish sin forever from his presence. He will exercise his patience toward arrogant man no longer, and JUSTICE will be executed on those that deserve it. I deserve it, but I have chosen mercy instead. You can too.