The solution is to arm every person in America

[BSM1]

Love it!
Redirection into vehicle accident stats, meteorite risks, strangulations per 100,000.....!

You just don't seem to get it....... it's not about us, it's about the fact that many Americans are totally fed up with he fact that a terrorist, or nutter, or extremist, or whoever, can walk in, buy a fast firing rifle, and then go killing en- masse.

And since the whole World heard about this incident, (and so many others) we take interest in what we hear Americans are talking about. Your President talks about it. Your Presdential candidates are talking about it.

The fact that you'll feel nakeif if some regulatory method might call in some types of gun is something that you'll have to handle. Better regs now might begin to clear the problem of guns-awash American over the next century or so.

Anyway, you don't actually own any guns. they own you, through your fear of being without them. True?

Obviously you have an agenda that is not encumbered by the thought process. Peace out.

 

[oldbadger]

I'm into archery already.
Fully auto rifles, machine guns is the common term, and silencers, called
sound suppressors are absolutely NOT ILLEGAL in the U.S.
I know some collectors that have more than one such weapon and one
fellow has a Viet Nam era grenade launcher.
ANY U.S. citizen that can afford to own and feed one has the right to buy one.
To do this one must apply for a class 3 license, pay a $200 buck tax on
each weapon and store them in a gun safe when not in use.
I can't afford them as they are quite expensive.
An MP5 will set one back at least 5 grand then there is the cost of ammo then
the 6 months wait to get approved to purchase.
Those weapons are tightly controlled but we in the U.S. can own one.

No one, no politician, is advocating confiscating legally owned firearms from
law abiding citizens.
I'm not the least concerned about loosing my few firearms.
IF our government passes laws to confiscate all legal firearm I would comply.
Doubt that will happen in my lifetime.
My firearms are in a metal gun safe and the firing mechanism are removed and
stored separately.
One or two are handy if necessary.
EVERYONE in my immediate family is well trained in firearms safety.

At last!
You write a whole post explaing about a mass of requirements and regulations in respect of certain weapons, but moan when I suggest...... sensible regs, licences etc.
And then you tell me about your home security, but moan because I mentioned home visits to ensure that ALL gunowners are as sensible as you.

I already mentioned child casualties and suicides, but you haven't really picked up the point that some gun owners are irresponsible doughnuts, and shouldn't keep guns unless they follow common sense security arrangements like you do.

You just don't like foreigners talking about youir problems..... but this is the internet..... inter-world if you like.
All that's been mentioned is training, examination, licensing, mandatory insurance and mandatory home security,, and some folks are squealing about it.

(Oh... it's great to be back! )

 

[oldbadger]

Obviously you have an agenda that is not encumbered by the thought process. Peace out.

The agenda is all yours. Peace to you.

 

[jeager106]

OLDBADGER!
I can't argue in the face of good sense and gladly say so.
Breaking news. @ 5:40 PM just minutes ago.
Cleveland Ohio.
SHOOTING IN A PUBLIC SHOPPING MALL.
No details yet.
If anyone gets details please post
Perhaps start another thread?
Gawd I pray it isn't another nut case with a gun!
Terror attack? I dunno.
I'd go for a psychological exam prior to gun purchase! Really I would!
But I fear that is a slippery slope.

 

[jeager106]

Wanna see our Federal form 4473 and the questions that is required for any firearms
purchase?
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4...n-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download

 

[Revoltingest]

At last!
You write a whole post explaing about a mass of requirements and regulations in respect of certain weapons, but moan when I suggest...... sensible regs, licences etc.
And then you tell me about your home security, but moan because I mentioned home visits to ensure that ALL gunowners are as sensible as you.

I already mentioned child casualties and suicides, but you haven't really picked up the point that some gun owners are irresponsible doughnuts, and shouldn't keep guns unless they follow common sense security arrangements like you do.

You just don't like foreigners talking about youir problems..... but this is the internet..... inter-world if you like.
All that's been mentioned is training, examination, licensing, mandatory insurance and mandatory home security,, and some folks are squealing about it.

(Oh... it's great to be back! )

We must note that the above poster hails from a land where "sensible" means.......

Judges hold court in drag....

They put this in their mouths.....and then swallow!

They drive on the wrong side of the road, leading to frequent (daily) accidents.

 

[Aquitaine]

I live in the U.S. of God bless America A.
Our forefathers over thew and oppressive government and paid a price in
freedom loving BLOOD to rid the "colonies" of oppression.

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British involvement in the transatlantic slave trade was, until very recently, a subject often brushed under the carpet. The idea of thousands of African slaves passing through British ports in abject conditions remains unpalatable to most but, according to James Walvin, professor emeritus of history at the University of York, the fact remains that the Caribbean and north African slave trade of the 18th century was effectively a British creation.

Still want to condemn and point fingers at the U.S. of A.?
Having a bit of trouble with a real FREE country are ya?

We learn about the British involvement and establishment of the Transatlantic Slave Trade in school. . . it's not something we 'hide under the rug'.

I will gladly give up my firearm(s) if you can guarantee it (they) will be the last ones on the pile.

I would imagine police response times are significantly higher in the US due to the country's size, and having a gun culture tied to apparent 'patriotism' will make any attempts for gun control almost impossible.
I suppose cultural attitudes to gun ownership will be vastly different considering we live in completely different countries.

 

[esmith]

What competition do you need an ar-15 for?

Well since you asked
http://www.nssf.org/events/featurette/2012/0712.cfm

 

[Ingledsva]

He also instructed his disciples to "...sell their packs and buy a sword..." before they took to the road. Ostensibly for personal protection.

Yep, plus two of his disciples have names associated with guerrilla groups of that time, that were fighting the Romans.

Judas Iscariot and Simon called Zelotes,

Zēlōtēs - The same as G2207; a Zealot, that is, (specifically) partisan for Jewish political independence: - Zelotes.

"Zealot" the name given to members of the extreme nationalist party founded about A.D. by Judas of Gamala"

"Iscariot" "Iskariōtēs" identifies Judas as a member of the Sicarii These were Jewish rebels intent on driving the Romans out of Judea.

We know of the Sicarii from later historians that wrote about them.

We are told Jesus' disciples packed a specific type of sword too.

Machaira - are short fighting swords for close combat.

Luk 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Luk 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

Luk 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

"Hikanos" also means competent, able, security, worthy, etc.

So those last words can be read as -

And said to/of these/them, competent/able are (these.)

or

And said to/of these, security are (these.)

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[metis]

Alaska's contradiction? Lots of guns, few homicides http://www.adn.com/voices/article/alaskas-contradiction-lots-guns-few-homicides/2013/02/07/

Also Anchorage has the majority of the gun violence that we do have. Why is that? Because it is the biggest city - and the one CRIMINALS from the lower 48 come to - to start up profitable crimes like drug running.

Our rates were even lower in the past - as we had a throw out the criminals policy. In other words, people who committed crimes, served their time, and were then given a one-way ticket out of the state, back to were they came from, with a don't return or else! Lawyers wrecked that common sense solution. They said it was unconstitutional.

Don't forget to read the bottom of the page - with the Swiss info. They require young men to have guns and have an extremely low gun death rate.

EDIT - "... in Switzerland. The death rate there is 0.7 per 100,000, and gun ownership is mandatory for men of military age, some of whom are volatile young men. Some studies in this country have pinpointed men between the age of 21 and 30 as responsible for 40 to 50 percent of all homicides. The Swiss, however, arm them. And they don't only arm them, they give them assault rifles."

As you say at the end, most of the guns with the Swiss are military issues given to those whom have been thoroughly vetted.

BTW, you might check the FBI stats here in regards to Alaska: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-4

And check this out in terms of which state has the highest rate of gun violence: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/13/24-7-wall-st-states-most-gun-violence/71003050/

 

[metis]

That comes later at "arma" -gedden.

 

[jeager106]

We learn about the British involvement and establishment of the Transatlantic Slave Trade in school. . . it's not something we 'hide under the rug'.
I would imagine police response times are significantly higher in the US due to the country's size, and having a gun culture tied to apparent 'patriotism' will make any attempts for gun control almost impossible.
I suppose cultural attitudes to gun ownership will be vastly different considering we live in completely different countries.

Having been a police officer for 22.5 years before being disabled I can say
for some expertise that the size of our Country as NOTHING to do with police
response time.
We don't have a national police force.
We have local law enforcement. The "national" police are the F.B.I. with
very limited police powers.
Most states have a State Patrol or State Police depending upon how the state
government is structured.
State Patrol forces have very limited jurisdiction and only on state grounds like
state highways, state prisons, state parks, state universities, but DO investigate aircraft crashes
anywhere in the State.
Local police have 100% police powers in their jurisdiction.
County Sheriffs have jurisdiction in that county only if there is no township police
force. Of course county and state law enforcement will respond to requests for assistance.
City police will also respond if needed to county and state requests.
The F.B.I. will take over investigations of robberies of Federally insured banks
etc. but usually local police can solve the problem before the F.B.I. responds.
Of course when a robber is apprehended the headlines are "F.B.I. Nabs..............

 

[Ingledsva]

As you say at the end, most of the guns with the Swiss are military issues given to those whom have been thoroughly vetted.

BTW, you might check the FBI stats here in regards to Alaska: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-4

Not sure why you are sending us to a chart of crime in Alaska, - robbery etc., - that doesn't separate out gun deaths?

The way you worded that Switzerland info kind of skews it.

Military service is mandatory for all Swiss males, and women can also serve, and they take home their weapons. So ALL males over 18 (except criminals or insane) , can obviously have a gun.

The majority here have said training is not a problem. Same with background checks. I trained with the police department.

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[Twilight Hue]

Actually mandatory gun ownership like Switzerland seems well and fine. Good training and a respect for the firearm that goes home with you. All with low gun violence.

 

[Underhill]

Lucky you, but I think you missed the point (BTW Roman control in the area probably made that part of the world extremely safe at that time).

For Romans yes. For everyone else, not so much.

 

[BSM1]

For Romans yes. For everyone else, not so much.

The Romans kept a pretty tight rein on the populace.

 

[Thief]

He also instructed his disciples to "...sell their packs and buy a sword..." before they took to the road. Ostensibly for personal protection.

pardon me......

sell your cloak and buy a sword.....

to sell the one item (important and self preserving item).....
then buy a weapon....

would place you in a precarious position

you would not have what it takes to keep yourself warm and sheltered
and you would have in hand that one item that causes people to keep distance

it was a metaphor describing what happens when you take unto yourself the doctrine of the Carpenter

which could be construed to those who carry guns

 

[Thief]

No, it shouldn't pass. It's a dumb idea. Everybody does not want to own a gun. They should not be forced to, even when they are law abiding citizens, of legal age. I support the right to. I do not support a requirement to.

If you believe consenting adults have the right to have sex with whoever they want, does that mean you think the government should force them to have sex? (I'm not sure whether or not you believe people have the right to have sex with whoever they want. I'm just using an example of something I think other people have a right to do, that I also think would be terrible to force on them if they didn't want it.)

Where do you draw the line between thinking someone has a right to chose to do something, or chose not to -- and deciding it's ok to force someone to do something?

let's not confuse the issue.....

do you insist on being a target?
or do you prefer to be a target that can return fire?

 

[4consideration]

let's not confuse the issue.....

do you insist on being a target?
or do you prefer to be a target that can return fire?

I'm not confusing the issue. I already stated I support a person's right to have firearms (provided they are not prohibited for some valid reason, as there are currently laws/requirements prohibiting certain people from having them.)

I am directly addressing the issue of what I think is a bad idea in what was proposed: requiring people (everyone else) to have gun(s).

I don't have to want to have one for myself in order to support someone else's right to have one. That is the issue here, in this particular thread that is talking about a bill requiring people to have them -- and subsidizing it. I think it's a terrible idea.

 

[Thief]

I'm not confusing the issue. I already stated I support a person's right to have firearms (provided they are not prohibited for some valid reason, as there are currently laws/requirements prohibiting certain people from having them.)

I am directly addressing the issue of what I think is a bad idea in what was proposed: requiring people (everyone else) to have gun(s).

I don't have to want to have one for myself in order to support someone else's right to have one. That is the issue here, in this particular thread that is talking about a bill requiring people to have them -- and subsidizing it. I think it's a terrible idea.

oh well....did anyone note my previous post?
Switzerland has required ownership of rifle and ammo
I think they do it for the common defense as their country is considered neutral and landlocked all at once