The solution is to arm every person in America

[BSM1]

pardon me......

sell your cloak and buy a sword.....

to sell the one item (important and self preserving item).....
then buy a weapon....

would place you in a precarious position

you would not have what it takes to keep yourself warm and sheltered
and you would have in hand that one item that causes people to keep distance

it was a metaphor describing what happens when you take unto yourself the doctrine of the Carpenter

which could be construed to those who carry guns

Kind of a stretch, don't you think? To follow your logic any point in any religious teaching could be interpreted metaphorically to suit each person's viewpoint. I was just using the scenario prima facie to make a point.

 

[4consideration]

oh well....did anyone note my previous post?
Switzerland has required ownership of rifle and ammo
I think they do it for the common defense as their country is considered neutral and landlocked all at once

I wasn't responding to your post. I was responding to the OP.

I agree that what Switzerland does works for Switzerland. We are not Switzerland. We are not Switzerland in many ways. I often object to other political ideas when they are presented to me that we should do something a certain way because some country in Europe does that thing that way.

To me, a requirement to own a gun would infringe on my rights regarding gun ownership. It would encroach on it as a right and break that right by turning it into a compulsion. That's probably the fastest way to get Americans to become willing to give up gun rights, and I think is an idea presented by those opposed to gun rights, and not supported by many proponents -- although, I'm just guessing on that point. In order for us to become like Switzerland in gun ownership requirements, afaik we would also have to implement mandatory military service. No thank you.

 

[Thief]

Kind of a stretch, don't you think? To follow your logic any point in any religious teaching could be interpreted metaphorically to suit each person's viewpoint. I was just using the scenario prima facie to make a point.

like other threads here at the forum.....this one will stretch to snapping point

how about?.....when times get bad enough....
your fellowman will buy a gun
and for need ....will come your way

you might well need a gun
for that moment when someone comes knocking......'sword' in hand

 

[metis]

Not sure why you are sending us to a chart of crime in Alaska, - robbery etc., - that doesn't separate out gun deaths?

The way you worded that Switzerland info kind of skews it.

Military service is mandatory for all Swiss males, and women can also serve, and they take home their weapons. So ALL males over 18 (except criminals or insane) , can obviously have a gun.

The majority here have said training is not a problem. Same with background checks. I trained with the police department.

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The charts included gun-related deaths, so maybe you didn't read all if what is said in both links.

The importance of the Swiss issue is important because of the fact that one simply cannot say all the guns in circulation there somehow means the same here when it clearly doesn't because the Swiss have very thorough universal-background checks whereas we don't have that here in the States, plus their troops are well trained in gun safety as a requirement whereas there is no such requirement here.

 

[atanu]

Many have presented this idea, do you think it will work? A $100 billion dollar bill is being needed to make sure people who can't afford guns get a subsidy to make sure they can go buy a gun. The only requirements is to pass a background check.

If you have no criminal history, you qualify. We can't take any chances and we've seen all too often that there isn't a good guy with a gun to stop the bad guy. This will fix that. Additionally, crime rates will drop tremendously due to more good guys outnumbering the bad.

Should this bill pass?

Yeah. Those of us who are reds and intend to initiate armed uprising, but cannot for want of money or arms, will find the bill too good to be true -- a dream come true.

Ohh. I noticed that this was in North American politics.

 

[BSM1]

like other threads here at the forum.....this one will stretch to snapping point

how about?.....when times get bad enough....
your fellowman will buy a gun
and for need ....will come your way

you might well need a gun
for that moment when someone comes knocking......'sword' in hand

So are you saying a prudent man will already be prepared for that day? I agree.

 

[atanu]

So are you saying a prudent man will already be prepared for that day? I agree.

Always on tenterhooks, I guess? When will the Thief (or any other) come?

 

[BSM1]

Always on tenterhooks, I guess? When will the Thief (or any other) come?

No way of knowing, so I am always prepared to defend myself and my family.

 

[Ingledsva]

pardon me......

sell your cloak and buy a sword.....

to sell the one item (important and self preserving item).....
then buy a weapon....

would place you in a precarious position

you would not have what it takes to keep yourself warm and sheltered
and you would have in hand that one item that causes people to keep distance

it was a metaphor describing what happens when you take unto yourself the doctrine of the Carpenter

which could be construed to those who carry guns

In most cases it is indeed.

In this case though they go on to cut off an ear.

I think he is warning them that after his arrest, - they are ALL going to have to take up arms, and run, to save their lives.

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[Ingledsva]

The charts included gun-related deaths, so maybe you didn't read all if what is said in both links.

The importance of the Swiss issue is important because of the fact that one simply cannot say all the guns in circulation there somehow means the same here when it clearly doesn't because the Swiss have very thorough universal-background checks whereas we don't have that here in the States, plus their troops are well trained in gun safety as a requirement whereas there is no such requirement here.

I looked again - they do not differentiate on gun-death crime in the first one - and the second doesn't give gun-death crime percentages.

And it says -

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) keeps track of the number of gun-related deaths in each state. Fatalities include homicides, suicides, and accidents. The frequency of firearm-related deaths varies considerably across the country. In Hawaii, the state with the fewest gun-related fatalities, there were just 2.6 firearm-associated deaths per 100,000 people. In Alaska, on the other hand, there were nearly 20 gun-related deaths per 100,000 residents, the most of any state. 24/7 Wall St. examined the 10 states with the highest gun-related deaths.

Suicide is the leading cause of gun-related deaths across the country in recent years. Of the 33,636 firearm deaths in 2013, more than 21,000 were suicides. In fact, suicide accounted for more than half of gun-related deaths in all but one state with the most gun violence. In three states — Alaska, Montana, and Wyoming — suicide accounted for more than 80% of all firearm deaths."

Suicide is not a crime committed against another, - and taking away every gun, - will not prevent suicides!

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[dgirl1986]

Apples to oranges again with nothing to back up anything said.
The U.S. is UNLIKE any other country in that U.S. citizens are ALL immigrants
from somewhere else except for Native Americans which we ain't.
What "other countries" and what is the heritage and do those countries have
anything like our 2nd Amendment.
Every nation derives meaning and purpose from some unifying quality—an ethnic character, a common religion, a shared history. The United States is different. America was founded at a particular time, by a particular people, on the basis of particular principles about man, liberty, and constitutional government.


Want more statistics?
Nearly a million children worldwide die every year as a result of unintentional injuries, and the biggest killer is traffic accidents, according to a report from the World Health Organization.

How can anyone legitimately compare the U.S. with any other country?
Thank gawd our country isn't like other countries.

Post facts please?

1) How are comparing western societies apples to oranges?
2) I am pretty sure there are still native americans in america
3) How do you think Canada and Australia are settled?
4) Want more statistics? What you are listed are not statistics. They are statements. Please check your dictionary. If you wish to list statistics you should actually put the links in the posts. The one I found actually states that heart disease is the biggest killer in the US...so you should probably be more worried about fast food than limiting ownership of assault rifles and the like. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm

 

[Thief]

In most cases it is indeed.

In this case though they go on to cut off an ear.

I think he is warning them that after his arrest, - they are ALL going to have to take up arms, and run, to save their lives.

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yeah ...I got that impression when I first read it....
but I continued to sit still and think about it
the Carpenter was sooooo well known for NOT speaking in a straightforward manner

 

[metis]

Suicide is not a crime committed against another, - and taking away every gun, - will not prevent suicides!

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Suicide is still recorded as a homicide, guns make it easier to commit suicide, and I'm not interested in "taking away ever gun".

 

[LimeDragon99]

Well, I don't want to be forced to own a gun so I'll have to say no. However I do think more people should own fire arms((Especially LGBTs)) if we're going to bring in Syrian Refugees and not do anything about the threat of Islamic terrorism in our own soil as well as not even address it properly. I also think the ban on gun idea is ****ing stupid because in my county here in New York State we always get attacks from knives, from school stabbings to a guy getting his throat slit in a grocery store, and guns are legal.