The Solution to Abortion

[Cacotopia]

Abortion part was serious. And for some the vasectomy solution is a serious option.

We have already plenty humans walking on the earth. So why people make such a fuzz on abortion I don't know.
If parents don't want the child it's better to abort the child, otherwise they probably abuse the child later, creating maybe even a psychopath killing his parents and others.

Bible doesn't even count them as humans until a few months after birth.

 

[stvdv]

Bible doesn't even count them as humans until a few months after birth.

This I did not know. I know that the soul enters a few month after conception. I don't know if pain is felt before the soul enters though

 

[Cacotopia]

I'm pretty sure they feel pain regardless of soul or no soul. I'm guessing when the nervous system is developed they can register the sensation of pain. No idea when that is though in terms of a developing child in the womb.

 

[columbus]

I know that the soul enters a few month after conception.

What does "know" mean in that sentence?
Personally, I am hardcore ProLife. I don't care about souls, I don't even pretend to know what that means. What I strongly oppose is human beings feeling entitled to Choose death for other human beings, because I would rather live in a world where nobody did that, ever.

I wish I could get Christians on board with that moral principle, but I mostly can't because it isn't cultural or scriptural.
Tom

 

[Cacotopia]

The low mortality rates in children today, demand that abortion should be readily available in every city all over the planet. 3 out of 5 don't kick the bucket before 18 no more. Forced to term pregnancies is a crime in my book and it only drives the economic strain on the populace through the roof. Especially low -middle income people.


This isn't Oregon Trail, where you go somewhere and half your family dies in the process of getting there.

 

[LuisDantas]

I've long said the way to stop virtually all adoptions practically over night would be to adopt an ongoing "opt out" implantable contraception program in girls from around 14 until requested removed.

I think you meant abortions, right?

Adoptions are IMO very much a good thing.

 

[stvdv]

What does "know" mean in that sentence?
Personally, I am hardcore ProLife. I don't care about souls, I don't even pretend to know what that means. What I strongly oppose is human beings feeling entitled to Choose death for other human beings, because I would rather live in a world where nobody did that, ever.

I wish I could get Christians on board with that moral principle, but I mostly can't because it isn't cultural or scriptural.
Tom

"Know means I heard it from a reliable source"

Good to hear you don't care about souls AND you are pro life. So that means you are vegetarian I guess. No chance to get many Christians on board with that (in my experience).

 

[Cacotopia]

What does vegetarianism have to do with abortion?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I don't know if pain is felt before the soul enters though

Pain requires pain receptors (of some sort). It has nothing to do with souls. We kill lots of creatures who can feel pain. Even plants can feel "pain", in the sense they have chemicals that are released when damaged.

What I strongly oppose is human beings feeling entitled to Choose death for other human beings, because I would rather live in a world where nobody did that, ever.

While I'm pro-choice, as we both want reduced abortions, the only real solution to that is free birth control. A girl who is "abstinence only" will be called "mom" soon enough.

So that means you are vegetarian I guess.

Do plants feel pain?

Hell, plants and fungi invented the "world wide web" before we did. Plants from all over a forest can communicate and help each other out, even from long distances, thanks to fungal communication networks.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

I heard this on Facebook, so it must be true.

The practical solution to the abortion problem/debate is that every man, for at least a generation, must get a vasectomy. If every man got a vasectomy, there would be nothing about abortion to debate.

It all makes sense, you know it does.

Yeah, because the human race would cease to exist. So, yes, the debates would go away.

 

[stvdv]

What does vegetarianism have to do with abortion?

Good question: My reply was to @columbus saying he is hardcore ProLife + and I said "Good to hear you don't care about souls AND you are pro life"

When there is no soul, what is the difference between babies of animals or babies of humans?

So when being "hardcore ProLife" you won't kill by abortion (before birth) AND I guess you won't kill after birth either

 

[stvdv]

Hell, plants and fungi invented the "world wide web" before we did. Plants from all over a forest can communicate and help each other out, even from long distances, thanks to fungal communication networks.

There is a difference between plant feeling and animal/human feeling.

Good to know about the fungus. I have a fungus in my body and I can't get rid of it so far. Must be a very smart organism (at least smarter than I am)

 

[columbus]

Why do only dudes have to get their tubes tied?

It's pretty dumb to sterilize dudes. We're extremely expendable, when it comes to procreation. One healthy 18 y/o male could keep 100 women pregnant for 10 years. Maybe 900 kids.
100 healthy dudes and 1 woman probably wouldn't reproduce even once. Because she would get killed in the resulting battle before she finished gestating the first baby.

Tom

 

[columbus]

"Know means I heard it from a reliable source"

Same source that Creflo Dollar, @AlertChristians , Pope Ratzinger, and @BilliardsBall rely on?
I am not impressed.

Good to hear you don't care about souls AND you are pro life. So that means you are vegetarian I guess.

No, I am pretty speciocentric. I generally value humans as individuals and animals as species. But I am also quite nuanced about that. USonians eat way too much meat and wrongly produced. If I had to decide between that Minnesota dentist who shot the big lion in Africa and the lion himself, I'd probably gut shoot the dentist. There are more dentists than lions.

No chance to get many Christians on board with that (in my experience).

Christians are not, as a rule (in my experience) ProLife. They are not even anti-feticide really.
If they were, they'd be voting to crank up the funding for organizations like Planned Parenthood, sex ed, and such. I think that conservative Christians just want a sin that they can point to, so as to feel superior to the rest of us. They would hate it if elective abortion ended.
Tom

 

[stvdv]

Same source that Creflo Dollar, @AlertChristians , Pope Ratzinger, and @BilliardsBall rely on?

No

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I think you meant abortions, right?

Adoptions are IMO very much a good thing.

I beg your pardon. Thanks for pointing that out

 

[columbus]

No

They all rely on prayer, The Bible, and God.
What is your reliable source?
Tom

 

[Cacotopia]

Good question: My reply was to @columbus saying he is hardcore ProLife + and I said "Good to hear you don't care about souls AND you are pro life"

When there is no soul, what is the difference between babies of animals or babies of humans?

So when being "hardcore ProLife" you won't kill by abortion (before birth) AND I guess you won't kill after birth either

there isn't a difference though between animals and humans. soulwise.

 

[Falvlun]

I've long said the way to stop virtually all abortions practically over night would be to adopt an ongoing "opt out" implantable contraception program in girls from around 14 until requested removed.

I think this makes the most sense too. Would have to make sure the contraceptive tech is 100% effective though.

 

[Cacotopia]

Do plants feel pain?

Hell, plants and fungi invented the "world wide web" before we did. Plants from all over a forest can communicate and help each other out, even from long distances, thanks to fungal communication networks.

You a JRE fan too? Paul Stametts is an amazing dude.