The Solution to Abortion

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I think this makes the most sense too. Would have to make sure the contraceptive tech is 100% effective though.

Implanon is 100% effective in 99% of people. Sure, there would still be occasional cases of abortion, for medical reasons or failed contraception, but the vast majority of abortions would stop. No solution is 100% effective, but if you're as opposed to abortion as most pro-lifers claim, you'd think a reduction of abortion rates by orders of magnitude would be welcome.

 

[stvdv]

They all rely on prayer, The Bible, and God.
What is your reliable source?
Tom

Sai Baba said this

 

[stvdv]

there isn't a difference though between animals and humans. soulwise.

Whether or not there is a difference between human/animal "soul" I do not know. Same problem as "God". Part of a belief system and how we define things.
Some people talk about twin souls. I rather stick to 1 soul, so I agree with your remark, but can't proof it.

That is why I was relieved that "soul was taken out of the equation"

 

[Willamena]

Um.... so we're signing up for voluntary extinction? I mean, that's a valid position, if a little extreme, I just want to be clear what we're talking about.

A 'generation' is 20 years. Although it would make a significant impact on the population, extinction is unlikely.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Slight tangent here but: What about we make an island of fierce half naked warrior women tasked with solving all of the worlds problems?

 

[Cacotopia]

A 'generation' is 20 years. Although it would make a significant impact on the population, extinction is unlikely.

That's cutting it by the nose hairs, I thought a generation is 25/30 years. Avg age people having kids isn't 20.

 

[Cacotopia]

I heard this on Facebook, so it must be true.

The practical solution to the abortion problem/debate is that every man, for at least a generation, must get a vasectomy. If every man got a vasectomy, there would be nothing about abortion to debate.

It all makes sense, you know it does.

If I were to seriously respond to this. A significant number of technological progress would have to be made to even consider this as an option:

like an autonomous workforce for example as skipping every other generation would cause a significant economic impact in the viable human workforce available.

Medical sciences would also need to significantly improve to keep the available human resource viable, and retirement age would need to go up by 10-15 years.

As a result of a prolonged period of time where a person is considered, 'not a liability due to age,' average life expectancy would also need to spike to support this idea.

The social environment planet-wide would need to accept it, thus you need to change the way people think about procreation and it's impact on the entire planet and the species.

Introducing new concepts and behaviors to society as a whole takes more than a few generations to accomplish, if this idea is to be successful in say 100 years. Mentally conditioning society in my opinion would have needed to begun about a century ago.

Freedom in the sense that current society understands it needs to be abandoned, and people would need to think more for the whole and less for themselves. Changing that idea alone is a massive undertaking.

Nearly everything needs to be substantially upgraded in order to even think this could be successful.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Same source that Creflo Dollar, @AlertChristians , Pope Ratzinger, and @BilliardsBall rely on?
I am not impressed.


No, I am pretty speciocentric. I generally value humans as individuals and animals as species. But I am also quite nuanced about that. USonians eat way too much meat and wrongly produced. If I had to decide between that Minnesota dentist who shot the big lion in Africa and the lion himself, I'd probably gut shoot the dentist. There are more dentists than lions.


Christians are not, as a rule (in my experience) ProLife. They are not even anti-feticide really.
If they were, they'd be voting to crank up the funding for organizations like Planned Parenthood, sex ed, and such. I think that conservative Christians just want a sin that they can point to, so as to feel superior to the rest of us. They would hate it if elective abortion ended.
Tom

Strong accusations. I not only use the Bible for a source, but as THE source, unlike some you mentioned.

I'm pro life, like many, and consistent. Sex ed and birth control can help. PP promotes abortion, which is wrong. I would rejoice, not sorrow, if Roe v. Wade was appealed, and I vote accordingly. Besides, since all people other than Jesus sin daily, we have plenty to crow about. You and I both need Christ IMHO!

 

[BilliardsBall]

I heard this on Facebook, so it must be true.

The practical solution to the abortion problem/debate is that every man, for at least a generation, must get a vasectomy. If every man got a vasectomy, there would be nothing about abortion to debate.

It all makes sense, you know it does.

You make total sense!

Try this on also--so that both sexes can participate and joyfully--one or two generations of abstinence until marriage will wipe out abortion and most STDs!

 

[columbus]

Slight tangent here but: What about we make an island of fierce half naked warrior women tasked with solving all of the worlds problems?

In my fantasy, we teach all the young dudes why sex with older guys is both more satisfying and more moral than doing it with girls that they aren't interested in starting a family with.

If it was good enough for Aristotle it's good enough for me.

Shout out to @Epic Beard Man . Fiery black guys are hot.
Tom

 

[columbus]

Strong accusations. I not only use the Bible for a source, but as THE source, unlike some you mentioned.

It wasn't an accusation, it was an observation. Everyone on my list considers all those things sources. Including you, unless you're telling me that prayer and God aren't sources for you.

Apparently I was wrong about @stvdv . He attributes his Truth to somebody named Sai Baba.
Tom

 

[Brickjectivity]

In my fantasy, we teach all the young dudes why sex with older guys is both more satisfying and more moral than doing it with girls that they aren't interested in starting a family with.

If it was good enough for Aristotle it's good enough for me.

Like in comic books?

 

[columbus]

Like in comic books?

Had comic books encouraging moral sex been available in the 70's my life would probably have been dramatically different.
But they weren't. All I had was the Bible and Superman.
Tom

 

[Brickjectivity]

Had comic books encouraging moral sex been available in the 70's my life would probably have been dramatically different.
But they weren't. All I had was the Bible and Superman.
Tom

Sooner or later we all have to stop blaming superman and wonderwoman for our own underoos.

 

[columbus]

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Sooner or later we all have to stop blaming superman and wonderwoman for our own underoos.

Thank you for helping explain Christianity.
Tom

 

[Brickjectivity]

Thank you for helping explain Christianity.
Tom

If anyone deserves an explanation its you, and thank you for your typically clever mindshare. As for your fantasy I think there are Stoic clubs where they talk about that. I once saw one on meetup, and not knowing what it was I thought hmm there are no girls and whats stoicism?