The sun was made to "stand still"/"stopped" from setting? What???

[Ingledsva]

True, we don't know how the sun's light could be bounced so that its light was still visible.
We do know the sun itself did Not go dark. A reflection would Not have to stand still, just the needed light or daylight hours still be visible.

You folks keep trying different angles to somehow make it logical, - it isn't!

The earth is moving and spinning - it did not happen.

If either the Sun or Earth stopped, - it would be the END of us.


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[Ultimatum]

Examine the context and setting of Joshua chapter 10
Please notice the ' sun stood still ' for that battle of Joshua 10 vs 12,13
The context is Not talking about the whole earth, but at one place.
If the whole earth were bathed in daylight there would have been No need to send someone about that ' wonder done in Israel '- 2nd Chronicles 32 v 31.

The word ' sun ' could easily refer to Not a literal sun standing still, but daylight hours stood still. God could have the sun's light reflected to give added daylight time to that battle.

Human science can Not replace the Creator. Einstein noted that science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind. Just like good science in the wrong hands does damage, so Scripture in the wrong hands also does damage. Neither makes the other as wrong, but rather makes the wrong hands, so to speak, as wrong.

"The context is not talking about the whole earth, but at one place."

And? This means that it must have affected the whole Earth. The sun can't shine in one place indefinitely and shine at the opposite end of the globe indefinitely. This is not how it works.

"Human science can not replace the Creator."

What is human science? What is this? Science is science. We did not invent science; it has always been there-- it is an indefinite whether we like it or not.
I find no place in discussing with someone who is using a "because God" argument. There is no logical explanation. No reasonable debate here..

 

[URAVIP2ME]

"The context is not talking about the whole earth, but at one place."
And? This means that it must have affected the whole Earth. The sun can't shine in one place indefinitely and shine at the opposite end of the globe indefinitely. This is not how it works.
"Human science can not replace the Creator."
What is human science? What is this? Science is science. We did not invent science; it has always been there-- it is an indefinite whether we like it or not.
I find no place in discussing with someone who is using a "because God" argument. There is no logical explanation. No reasonable debate here..

I am writing about ' reflected light ' for the battle. Not the literal sun stopping moving.

Never meant it to come across as if science is not indefinite, but that even Good science in the wrong hands is not good:
Science being responsible for some harmful drugs causing birth defects
Science being responsible for spray cans affecting the Ozone layer
Science being responsible for dangerous asbestos fibers

 

[johnpeter1970]

As a Christian, I have a lot of respect for the Bible, but over time, I had to change my view that every part of it is correct and from God.

One of the things in the Bible that God could not have told someone to write, unless He was playing a practical joke on humanity, is the tenth chapter of the Book of Joshua.

In particular, concerning a certain battle, when Joshua allegedly asked Him to keep the sun up in the air, and not allow it to move.

Joshua 10:12-14
12 At that time Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel,

“Sun, stand still at Gibeon,
and moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”
13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped,
until the nation took vengeance on their enemies.

Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day. 14 There has been no day like it before or since, when the Lord heeded the voice of a man, for the Lord fought for Israel.
Joshua 10 ESV - The Sun Stands Still - As soon as - Bible Gateway


The sun "stopped" and "did not hurry to set"? What???

The sun does not move around the earth. When it "sets", it is due to the earth moving, not the sun.



Each morning, the sun rises in the east, makes its slow journey across the sky, and then sets in the west. Then it continues a journey around the other side of the Earth, and rises again the next morning. This is how it looks from here on Earth, and that’s what ancient people thought was happening, but that view is totally wrong.

The truth is that the Earth is orbiting the Sun. It’s the Sun that’s motionless, and the Earth that’s moving around it. From our vantage point, it looks like the Sun is going around the Earth, because it’s actually the Earth that’s turning. The Earth rotates on its axis once every 24 hours, so that the Sun returns to the same position in the sky every day.



Why Does the Sun Rise in the East (and Set in the West)?



Interestingly, Muhammad somehow got wind of this story, and changed it up quite a bit.



One thing that he didn't change, was that the sun allegedly was also "stopped" from setting.





Volume 4, Book 53, Number 353:

Narrated Abu Huraira:



The Prophet said, "A prophet amongst the prophets carried out a holy military expedition, so he said to his followers, 'Anyone who has married a woman and wants to consummate the marriage, and has not done so yet, should not accompany me; nor should a man who has built a house but has not completed its roof; nor a man who has sheep or shecamels and is waiting for the birth of their young ones.' So, the prophet carried out the expedition and when he reached that town at the time or nearly at the time of the 'Asr prayer, he said to the sun, 'O sun! You are under Allah's Order and I am under Allah's Order O Allah! Stop it (i.e. the sun) from setting.' It was stopped till Allah made him victorious.


Then he collected the booty and the fire came to burn it, but it did not burn it. He said (to his men), 'Some of you have stolen something from the booty. So one man from every tribe should give me a pledge of allegiance by shaking hands with me.' (They did so and) the hand of a man got stuck over the hand of their prophet. Then that prophet said (to the man), 'The theft has been committed by your people. So all the persons of your tribe should give me the pledge of allegiance by shaking hands with me.' The hands of two or three men got stuck over the hand of their prophet and he said, "You have committed the theft.' Then they brought a head of gold like the head of a cow and put it there, and the fire came and consumed the booty. The Prophet added: Then Allah saw our weakness and disability, so he made booty legal for us."



Center for Muslim-Jewish Engagement





In other words, a certain prophet was fighting a battle and he noticed the sun was setting. After addressing the sun, he asked God to stop it from setting, and God allegedly "stopped it" until the victory was won.



If anything, God would have "stopped" not the sun, but the earth, to delay sunset. The sun is motionless, and wasn't doing anything that needed "stopping".



I don't believe God inspired the author of the Book of Joshua as he was writing that part of the book, and I don't believe He told Muhammad that He "stopped" the sun, to delay sunset.





Curious what others think.

The Truth offends you?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

You folks keep trying different angles to somehow make it logical, - it isn't!
The earth is moving and spinning - it did not happen.
If either the Sun or Earth stopped, - it would be the END of us.
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Of course it would be the end of us. The ' sun stood still ' in the sense the sun's rays were reflected for that battle scene.

 

[johnpeter1970]

Of course it would be the end of us. The ' sun stood still ' in the sense the sun's rays were reflected for that battle scene.

Nothing is impossible with God!

Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down. (Isa 38:8)

At that time Merodachbaladan, the son of Baladan, king of Babylon, sent letters and a present to Hezekiah: for he had heard that he had been sick, and was recovered. (Isa 39:1)



How did this men know?

Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, (Matt 2:1)
Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. (Matt 2:2)

How did this men know?

 

[Parsimony]

I think we can all agree that the Sun did not actually sit still in the sky. You'd expect accounts from around the world about it if it did. I'd say it is more likely that God would have created it as a local illusion only (if the event in question literally happened, that is).

 

[johnpeter1970]

I think we can all agree that the Sun did not actually sit still in the sky. You'd expect accounts from around the world about it if it did. I'd say it is more likely that God would have created it as a local illusion only (if the event in question literally happened, that is).

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? (Gen 3:1)

 

[Parsimony]

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? (Gen 3:1)

What does that have to do with my post?

 

[Ingledsva]

Nothing is impossible with God!

Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down. (Isa 38:8)

At that time Merodachbaladan, the son of Baladan, king of Babylon, sent letters and a present to Hezekiah: for he had heard that he had been sick, and was recovered. (Isa 39:1)



How did this men know?

Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, (Matt 2:1)
Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. (Matt 2:2)

How did this men know?

Because they are just made up stories.

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[Ingledsva]

I think we can all agree that the Sun did not actually sit still in the sky. You'd expect accounts from around the world about it if it did. I'd say it is more likely that God would have created it as a local illusion only (if the event in question literally happened, that is).

Absolutely, those surrounding nations of astronomer/astrologers kept great records of sky events. It didn't happen.

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[johnpeter1970]

What does that have to do with my post?

You are trying to plant the seed of doubt.

 

[Ultimatum]

I am writing about ' reflected light ' for the battle. Not the literal sun stopping moving.

Never meant it to come across as if science is not indefinite, but that even Good science in the wrong hands is not good:
Science being responsible for some harmful drugs causing birth defects
Science being responsible for spray cans affecting the Ozone layer
Science being responsible for dangerous asbestos fibers

"Good" science is good science no matter what hands it is in.
Facts are facts.

Also, Cherrypicking: The post
Science being responsible for the computer you use. Science being responsible for life-saving medicine. Science being responsible for putting humans into space.

Of course it would be the end of us. The ' sun stood still ' in the sense the sun's rays were reflected for that battle scene.

There a limited number of rays. These rays are spread evenly over the surface of the Earth facing the sun. If you concentrate those rays in one area, you lose light concentration in another.
Also, you don't know this; it is mere speculation.
In fact, you're defacing the Bible with your assumptions, you lying heathen!

 

[gsa]

You are trying to plant the seed of doubt.

I think the story does the best job of seeding doubt.

 

[Parsimony]

You are trying to plant the seed of doubt.

If the Sun actually stood still, then there should be many civilizations who witnessed it. Can you point to any records outside the Bible or Jewish texts of such an event occurring? If not, then that would suggest that God created it as a local event only (possibly some kind of illusion) or that it didn't literally occur.

 

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[URAVIP2ME]

"Good" science is good science no matter what hands it is in.
Facts are facts.
Also, Cherrypicking: The post
Science being responsible for the computer you use. Science being responsible for life-saving medicine. Science being responsible for putting humans into space.
There a limited number of rays. These rays are spread evenly over the surface of the Earth facing the sun. If you concentrate those rays in one area, you lose light concentration in another.
Also, you don't know this; it is mere speculation.
In fact, you're defacing the Bible with your assumptions, you lying heathen!

The Hebrew word shemesh used at Joshua 10 v 13 can stand for daylight as in daylight standing still for that battle.

No one is saying science is not responsible for life-saving medicine, etc.
But good science in the wrong hands is responsible for woeful facts on earth:
Back in the 50's mothers were given a drug that caused defects in their babies
Wrong use of chemical products brings harm to humans
Atomic energy v/s atomic bomb
So, it is the misapplication of scientific knowledge and that coupled with political dollars because of greedy men causes trouble.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down. (Isa 38:8)
At that time Merodachbaladan, the son of Baladan, king of Babylon, sent letters and a present to Hezekiah: for he had heard that he had been sick, and was recovered. (Isa 39:1)
How did this men know?

Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, (Matt 2:1)
Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. (Matt 2:2)
How did this men know?

Men knew [ heard ] by messengers carrying messages.
Besides Isaiah see 2nd Chronicles 32 vs 24, 31,32

The un-numbered magi were Not kings but astrologers. That ' star ' led those astrologers, Not to the manger scene, but led them to Jerusalem, and then later to a house when Jesus was already a child - Matthew 2 vs 7-11

 

[Ingledsva]

The Hebrew word shemesh used at Joshua 10 v 13 can stand for daylight as in daylight standing still for that battle.

No one is saying science is not responsible for life-saving medicine, etc.
But good science in the wrong hands is responsible for woeful facts on earth:
Back in the 50's mothers were given a drug that caused defects in their babies
Wrong use of chemical products brings harm to humans
Atomic energy v/s atomic bomb
So, it is the misapplication of scientific knowledge and that coupled with political dollars because of greedy men causes trouble.

However, sunlight can't stand still either, because the earth is turning.

The Sun, sunlight, or reflected light (as someone suggested) - none of them can stand still at one spot because the earth is spinning.

I suggest people take a ball - pot a dot on it to represent the battle site - hold it in front of a lamp representing the sun - and turn the ball. As you can see there is absolutely no way this happened.


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[URAVIP2ME]

No one is saying sunlight stands still, but God could reflect angled light to the desired area