The sun was made to "stand still"/"stopped" from setting? What???

[Ingledsva]

Nothing is impossible with God!

Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down. (Isa 38:8)

At that time Merodachbaladan, the son of Baladan, king of Babylon, sent letters and a present to Hezekiah: for he had heard that he had been sick, and was recovered. (Isa 39:1)



How did this men know?

Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, (Matt 2:1)
Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. (Matt 2:2)

How did this men know?

I thought this one needed more info. You folks appear to be misunderstanding this story because of the flowery language.

Isa 38:1 In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz came unto him, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Set thine house in order: for thou shalt die, and not live.

Isa 38:2 Then Hezekiah turned his face toward the wall, and prayed unto the LORD,
Isa 38:3 And said, Remember now, O LORD, I beseech thee, how I have walked before thee in truth and with a perfect heart, and have done that which is good in thy sight. And Hezekiah wept sore.

Isa 38:4 Then came the word of the LORD to Isaiah, saying,

Isa 38:5 Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith the LORD, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.

Isa 38:6 And I will deliver thee and this city out of the hand of the king of Assyria: and I will defend this city.

Isa 38:7 And this shall be a sign unto thee from the LORD, that the LORD will do this thing that he hath spoken;

Isa 38:8 And lo (through,) I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down.

Verse 38:8 needs to be retranslated. This moved back time, is obviously just the years added to Hazekiah's allotted lifetime, - and taken away from Ahaz's time.

Ahaz was an evil King of Judah - Hezekiah being given 15 more years to save the city - is the same as time being turned back on the evil Ahaz. (See blue 38:8 above) (Note that the time gone down is Ahaz.)

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[Ingledsva]

No one is saying sunlight stands still, but God could reflect angled light to the desired area

NO. Do the Earth ball experiment.

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[Faybull]

One could also strip the translation from this and discover something in regards to the actual battle...
Or not.

 

[Ingledsva]

One could also strip the translation from this and discover something in regards to the actual battle...
Or not.

Such as...?

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[CMike]

The sun stopping in the sky was a miracle.

What's the problem?

 

[Faybull]

One could also strip the translation from this and discover something in regards to the actual battle...
Or not.

Try starting with: it isn't the moon, but rather Jericho...

 

[ShivaFan]

I don't know much about this verse, but my understanding is June 20 or 21 depending on the year is the longest day of the year. I was taught that the "earth energy" (whatever that means) is at a pinnacle. Maybe someone can clarify exactly what is this energy that science is referencing here.

So this is called the summer solstice, so why is it called the day of light in India? In Latin the word solstice means "sun stood still" - Latin sol (sun) and sistere (to stand still), because at the solstices, the Sun stands still in declination; that is, the seasonal movement of the Sun's path (as seen from Earth) comes to a stop before reversing direction.

The sun appears highest in the sky, however in the tropics the sun appears directly overhead . In the Northern Hemisphere the sun is directly overhead at noon and in the Southern Hemisphere the it is exactly the reverse.

I recall being told the Buddha of the Kali Age, that when He "died" that "the sun stood still for 12 hours" to listen to the disciple Arjun preach at that time. So that date would between 560 BC and 480 BC.

In the Hindu Mahabharata, in the great battle described, the warrior Arjuna of the Pandavas Alliance shot an arrow at the flag of the opposing Kuru Alliance, and took down this gold laced elephant banner. Arjuna then shot again hitting one of the top warriors of the Kurus named Karna, who is said to be the Son of the Sun in that the Sun God appeared to Karna's "mother" Kunti and gave her a gold armored child but she placed the baby in a basket and set him afloat on a river since she didn't want to raise this special child as an unwed mother. The child was found by Adhiratha, a charioteer of King Dhritarashtra of Hastinapur. So Karna eventually ended up in the "enemy" camp against Lord Krishna, and came into battle against Krishna's own charioteer called Arjuna. When Arjun shot this next arrow, it is said the arrow him in the throat, he fell with blood upon which it is said "the Sun stood still at that moment". So I cannot ascribe the exact Christian era of this, but Hindu scripture also talks about a great battle and when the Sun stood still.

It could be this moment is in June. The solstice... yes it may have happened and it was that, in several places in the world. In June. But misunderstood.

 

[Ingledsva]

One could also strip the translation from this and discover something in regards to the actual battle...
Or not.

Then Joshua spoke to YAHWEH in the day when YAHWEH gave the Amorites up before the sons of Israel; and he said, Sun, stand still before the eyes of Israel in Gibeon! And, Moon stand still in the valley of Aijalon!

You are correct. I took a look at Joshua in the Hebrew. The word for Sun is also a direction. The stand still is also cease/die.

Sun, stand still before the eyes of Israel in Gibeon! = Jos. 10:10 - the slaughter of the enemy at Gibon.

Moon stand still in the Valley of Aijalon! = Jos.10:11 - the slaughter at the Valley of Ajalon. Ajalon is the valley they chased the enemy into when they were escaping down to Bethhoron. Google the two names together.

Jos 10:7 So Joshua ascended from Gilgal, he, and all the people of war with him, and all the mighty men of valour.

Jos 10:8 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Fear them not: for I have delivered them into thine hand; there shall not a man of them stand before thee.

Jos 10:9 Joshua therefore came unto them suddenly, and went up from Gilgal all night.

Jos 10:10 And the LORD discomfited them before Israel, and slew them with a great slaughter at Gibeon, and chased them along the way that goeth up to Bethhoron, and smote them to Azekah, and unto Makkedah.

Jos 10:11 And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword.

Jos 10:12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.

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[Hawkins]

Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day. 14 There has been no day like it before or since, when the Lord heeded the voice of a man, for the Lord fought for Israel.

It says that humans don't understand time and space. We assume that universe is a 3D ball and time is continuously stable though even our science proves the opposite. Time works as we understand (continuous and stable) but only under the Newtonian paradigm. Time and space are weird in both quantum physics and relativity. That's why Einstein ever said that TIME is never a stable physics quantity, instead speed is.

God simply shifted earth out of time-space a bit to achieve that effect. Such that humans' dating methods are nullified.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Im thinking there would be heavy repercussions to the environment had such an event took place

 

[Faybull]

It says that humans don't understand time and space. We assume that universe is a 3D ball and time is continuously stable though even our science proves the opposite. Time works as we understand (continuous and stable) but only under the Newtonian paradigm. Time and space are weird in both quantum physics and relativity. That's why Einstein ever said that TIME is never a stable physics quantity, instead speed is.

God simply shifted earth out of time-space a bit to achieve that effect. Such that humans' dating methods are nullified.

Except that time is relative to space, and not an absolute. As is the story in relationship to the Earth, therefore any "out of time-space" thought is irrelevant.

 

[gnostic]

Neither the bible, nor the Qur'an, are science books. That much is clear by the sketchy descriptions in which they give. It showed how little they (authors) understood the Earth or astronomy. The authors simply didn't know.

To both, they assume the sun and stars (and even planets, known to them as "wandering stars") moved around the Earth, because they thought the planetary motion were thought to revolve around the Earth, hence they thought geocentric model was true. While it is true that our moon do orbit around the Earth, the Sun, planets and stars don't.

Only a couple of Greek astronomers of the 3rd century BCE, correctly concluded that the planets, included Earth, orbited around the Sun, hence the heliocentric model, but they made no headway because of the popularity of the geocentric model. I am not sure, but I think few of the Hindu philosophers/astronomers had also discovered the heliocentric model to be true.

But anyway, the fact of the matter is that the sun don't move around the Earth. It just seem that way because we live on the Earth surface, and everything seemed to move except the Earth itself.

And the only way for the Sun TO SEEM to stand still in our sky, if the Earth stop rotating on its axis. And this can't happen without consequence.

The Earth is not like a ball that you can spin, stop it from spinning, and restart the spin. It is not possible to stop the Earth from spinning/rotating for some hours, and then start it up again.

Sure, people living within the Arctic Circle may experienced, the extended hours of sun, known as the "midnight sun", that may last a day or weeks if you are living further north to the north pole. But Jordan is not located in the polar region.

So clearly, the author of Joshua, and the Islamic tradition's imitation with Muhammad are nothing more than myths.

(It is even less possible with Muhammad, because the Hejaz is further south than Jordan, and much of Hejaz is south of the tropic of cancer.)

 

[Hawkins]

Except that time is relative to space, and not an absolute. As is the story in relationship to the Earth, therefore any "out of time-space" thought is irrelevant.

The point is, we don't know how relative. We don't have a formula to describe time-space under all situations. We thus desperately look for a super theory to make our field force theories united.

 

[Unification]

As a Christian, I have a lot of respect for the Bible, but over time, I had to change my view that every part of it is correct and from God.

One of the things in the Bible that God could not have told someone to write, unless He was playing a practical joke on humanity, is the tenth chapter of the Book of Joshua.

In particular, concerning a certain battle, when Joshua allegedly asked Him to keep the sun up in the air, and not allow it to move.

Joshua 10:12-14
12 At that time Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel,

“Sun, stand still at Gibeon,
and moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”
13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped,
until the nation took vengeance on their enemies.

Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day. 14 There has been no day like it before or since, when the Lord heeded the voice of a man, for the Lord fought for Israel.
Joshua 10 ESV - The Sun Stands Still - As soon as - Bible Gateway


The sun "stopped" and "did not hurry to set"? What???

The sun does not move around the earth. When it "sets", it is due to the earth moving, not the sun.



Each morning, the sun rises in the east, makes its slow journey across the sky, and then sets in the west. Then it continues a journey around the other side of the Earth, and rises again the next morning. This is how it looks from here on Earth, and that’s what ancient people thought was happening, but that view is totally wrong.

The truth is that the Earth is orbiting the Sun. It’s the Sun that’s motionless, and the Earth that’s moving around it. From our vantage point, it looks like the Sun is going around the Earth, because it’s actually the Earth that’s turning. The Earth rotates on its axis once every 24 hours, so that the Sun returns to the same position in the sky every day.



Why Does the Sun Rise in the East (and Set in the West)?



Interestingly, Muhammad somehow got wind of this story, and changed it up quite a bit.



One thing that he didn't change, was that the sun allegedly was also "stopped" from setting.





Volume 4, Book 53, Number 353:

Narrated Abu Huraira:



The Prophet said, "A prophet amongst the prophets carried out a holy military expedition, so he said to his followers, 'Anyone who has married a woman and wants to consummate the marriage, and has not done so yet, should not accompany me; nor should a man who has built a house but has not completed its roof; nor a man who has sheep or shecamels and is waiting for the birth of their young ones.' So, the prophet carried out the expedition and when he reached that town at the time or nearly at the time of the 'Asr prayer, he said to the sun, 'O sun! You are under Allah's Order and I am under Allah's Order O Allah! Stop it (i.e. the sun) from setting.' It was stopped till Allah made him victorious.


Then he collected the booty and the fire came to burn it, but it did not burn it. He said (to his men), 'Some of you have stolen something from the booty. So one man from every tribe should give me a pledge of allegiance by shaking hands with me.' (They did so and) the hand of a man got stuck over the hand of their prophet. Then that prophet said (to the man), 'The theft has been committed by your people. So all the persons of your tribe should give me the pledge of allegiance by shaking hands with me.' The hands of two or three men got stuck over the hand of their prophet and he said, "You have committed the theft.' Then they brought a head of gold like the head of a cow and put it there, and the fire came and consumed the booty. The Prophet added: Then Allah saw our weakness and disability, so he made booty legal for us."



Center for Muslim-Jewish Engagement





In other words, a certain prophet was fighting a battle and he noticed the sun was setting. After addressing the sun, he asked God to stop it from setting, and God allegedly "stopped it" until the victory was won.



If anything, God would have "stopped" not the sun, but the earth, to delay sunset. The sun is motionless, and wasn't doing anything that needed "stopping".



I don't believe God inspired the author of the Book of Joshua as he was writing that part of the book, and I don't believe He told Muhammad that He "stopped" the sun, to delay sunset.





Curious what others think.

Meditation. Be still and know He is God.

 

[Hawkins]

Curious what others think.

How much you understand about the physics of time and space. Can you explain the absolute speed of light in relativity?