The Supreme Court will decide if Donald Trump can be kept off 2024 presidential ballots

[ImmortalFlame]

Nowhere did Trump advocate for the to be violent.

Once again, the point sails over you head.

Even a child understands that they are responsible if they shout "fire" in a crowded theatre and people get hurt as a result, even if they never said for people to trample each other. This is logic an infant is capable of understanding.

So what, the argument is you cannot lie and say an election was stolen when it wasn't.

No, that's not the argument. The argument is that we are, and should be, responsible for the consequences of our actions. Hillary didn't incite an insurrection, and her words and actions (supported by facts, or otherwise) didn't lead directly to several deaths and hundreds of arrests.

You can accuse me all you want but I quoted her words, not mine.

She literally conceded the election, and I am unwilling to trust your framing as you have selectively quoted people in the past to manipulate the truth. Like when you claimed Trump called for peace, when he didn't. And when you omitted several times he supported the riot.

I care about the consequences of actions, and where the responsibility for those consequences fall. Stop pretending you don't understand this very simple concept.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Nowhere did Trump advocate for the to be violent.

Do you think he had to explicitly say "go be violent!" to be deliberately prompting violence?

Do you see that guy over there on the other side of the bar? That's the guy your wife cheated with. He's awful. He wronged you and you should be furious about it.

Now... I want you to go over there and do something about it. It's wrong for you to sit here and do nothing. You need to do something right now. You need to go over there. Go!

 

[Revoltingest]

Well if you are unclear then I haven't got a chance. I just hope that Mr Trump doesn't make it to the White House again.

Many Americans must wonder why a Brit might be so interested in your election, or an Estonian, or..... but this outcome will affect the whole world.

I know why you're interested.
Your only news is about royals, who are as useful as tits on a boar.
But USA is fascinating, & as you say, affects the world.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Once again, the point sails over you head.

Even a child understands that they are responsible if they shout "fire" in a crowded theatre and people get hurt as a result, even if they never said for people to trample each other. This is logic an infant is capable of understanding.

Have a nice day.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Do you think he had to explicitly say "go be violent!" to be deliberately prompting violence?

Do you see that guy over there on the other side of the bar? That's the guy your wife cheated with. He's awful. He wronged you and you should be furious about it.

Now... I want you to go over there and do something about it. It's wrong for you to sit here and do nothing. You need to do something right now. You need to go over there. Go!

He said what to do and that was to go march peaceably.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Have a nice day.

Do you or do you not understand the argument and the concept of responsibility?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

He said what to do and that was to go march peaceably.

He is still responsible for those who marched non-peacefully, because they were only there because he told them to be, and they were only inflamed and motivated by the lies he told them, and then he refused to denounce them once the violence started and justified the violence once it was over.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Do you or do you not understand the argument and the concept of responsibility?

Do you not understand what a rational and mature discussion is?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Do you not understand what a rational and mature discussion is?

Yes, one where both sides respond to the arguments actually being made. Like my argument about people being responsible for the direct consequences of their actions, which you refuse to respond to because you know it makes you look really bad because you either reject or outright forgot about very basic moral principles like people are responsible for the consequences of their actions.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

He said what to do and that was to go march peaceably.

And you're naïve enough to take this at face value?

 

[Laniakea]

And you're naïve enough to take this at face value?

Trump says what he means, unlike the opposition.

 

[fantome profane]

Trump says what he means, unlike the opposition.

Except when he is "joking" or "trolling", or anytime it is inconvenient to take him at his word. Then the snowflake lib's just don't understand.

He didn't really mean he was going to be a dictator. He didn't really mean he wants Russia to invade Nato countries. He didn't really mean he grabs women by the *****. He didn't really mean immigrants are poisoning the blood of the country, and every other terrible thing he said that he didn't really mean.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And you're naïve enough to take this at face value?

No, he was merely pointing out that for your analogy to be accurate. You should have included:

"Now I am not advocating that you go and beat the crap out of him. Though if you do not do so he will keep cheating with your wife, and probably your daughter too."

There, much better. Thanks to @Clizby Wampuscat for pointing out that one needs some sort of plausible deniability if one urges someone else to attack another.

 

[Laniakea]

Except when he is "joking" or "trolling", or anytime it is inconvenient to take him at his word. Then the snowflake lib's just don't understand.

He didn't really mean he was going to be a dictator. He didn't really mean he wants Russia to invade Nato countries. He didn't really mean he grabs women by the *****. He didn't really mean immigrants are poisoning the blood of the country, and every other terrible thing he said that he didn't really mean.

Oh, calm down. Don't let him live under your skin. If you don't want him to be heard, don't give him attention.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh, calm down. Don't let him live under your skin. If you don't want him to be heard, don't give him attention.

If he never acted on those beliefs of his or if other people did not act for him we would all ignore him for the clown that he is. But he has shown himself to be a threat on both the personal level and the level of a leader. Did you forget January 6 again?

 

[Laniakea]

If he never acted on those beliefs of his or if other people did not act for him we would all ignore him for the clown that he is. But he has shown himself to be a threat on both the personal level and the level of a leader. Did you forget January 6 again?

How can I? It's the date you guys celebrate every day of the year. Is it your favorite day?

 

[Subduction Zone]

How can I? It's the date you guys celebrate every day of the year. Is it your favorite day?

Seriously? Is 9/11 your favorite date?

 

[fantome profane]

Oh, calm down. Don't let him live under your skin. If you don't want him to be heard, don't give him attention.

I can't calm down. I am a liberal snowflake. I care about things like democracy, human rights and equality. I take rape seriously.

But which is it? Is he an honest person who means what he says, or is he a fat stupid racist sexist rapist who says disgusting things and lies constantly so we shouldn't pay him any attention?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Trump says what he means, unlike the opposition.

So he meant it when he said inciting things like this?

All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they're doing. And stolen by the fake news media. That's what they've done and what they're doing. We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn't happen. You don't concede when there's theft involved.

Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that's what this is all about. And to use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with: We will stop the steal.

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial

 

[Laniakea]

Seriously? Is 9/11 your favorite date?

I'll take your deflection of my question as a "yes".
See? These conversations are so much simpler when we understand each other.