The Supreme Court will decide if Donald Trump can be kept off 2024 presidential ballots

[Shadow Wolf]

Quite right. That's why I think that Chief Justice Roberts will be expending his maximum amount of energy to try and get to a 9-0 or at worst 8-1 ruling.

I don't understand why they took it, and Roberts especially has got to know ans understand there is absolutely no lookimg politically driven. Doesn't matter wjat they do, even if it's their norm of taking a knee and kicking the can down the road a sizeable chunk of the population will see ot as politically motivated.
Amd it will be forever embarrassing that security that day is going to look like somethings seen in military bases amd state buildings of corrupt autocrats. The pictures will more resemble unstable, third world countries where extremists are marching around with war equipment.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I think that removing Trump from ballots now, before the primary, is the best way to avoid violence.

That way, the Republican party can pick some other candidate, and then when polling numbers start to come in and the party realizes it's better off without Trump than with him, they just move on. The election happens, the Republicans do better than last time - and maybe even win - and everyone but a few diehard Trump loyalists just leave him behind.

The option with the biggest potential for violence I see is if:

1. The court overturns the Colorado decision not because they decide that Trump didn't commit insurrection but because it's up to Congress to throw out votes for Trump, not up to state officials to leave him off the ballot.
2. Trump wins the Republican nomination.
3. On election day, Trump gets the votes to win the Electoral College.
4. In January 2025 when the official EC count happens, the votes for Trump get thrown out based on his eligibility.

My only hope there is that even given 1) happening, 2) and 3) are far from guaranteed.

That's not going to stop people from writing in their candidate as they are free to do regardless whether the name is on the ballot or not.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That's not going to stop people from writing in their candidate as they are free to do regardless whether the name is on the ballot or not.

The rules for write-ins vary from state to state.

Regardless, I think the number of Republicans who would try to sabotage a different viable Republican candidate by writing in Trump is small.

I don't think that many Trump supporters would only support Trump, I think most are Republicans first and Trump supporters second, and will support whoever they think gives the best chance of a Republican winning the presidency... which they would know isn't a write-in candidate.

 

[wellwisher]

The Supreme Court will decide if Donald Trump can be kept off 2024 presidential ballots

The Supreme Court will decide whether former President Donald Trump can be kept off the 2024 presidential ballot because of his efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss.

apnews.com

Of course, this was expected, but now they've finally announced that they will be hearing the case. Should be interesting.

Trump has not been formally charged or indicted of insurrection. The DOJ has not brought formal charges. This is no more than a meme by fake news and the political left. This scam is the same as the failed Russian Collusion Coup, where the cart of fake news was placed before the horse; collusion was spin and never the truth. This obvious election interference is the only play the Left has left since they have screwed up the country and economy, and have nothing good to run on, so they need to use a recycled scam to divide the country between the good conscious people and morons who are unaware they are being scammed.

It will be fun to watch when Trump wins and it is payback time. Trump did not push for prosecution after the failed Russian Collusion Coup hoping to unify the country. But his gesture of good will and forgiveness was seen as weakness and used as an excuse to double down.

What should happens is the DNC should be back charged for all the tax payer money used for political purposes; stolen money to run the fake charge scams. They have ripped off the tax payers of NY state for $50 million, so far using the same partisan tactics. We can add all the expenses of the Russian Collusion Coup and since they also misused government resources for political purposes.

Trump should also be reimbursed for his all his expenses due to these scams and have the right to sue for slander and liable, anyone who participated in any of the scams, retired or not. It is illegal to misuse governs respires for private and personal use including partisan hit jobs. Either pay it back or go to jail until it is payed back.

Say I wanted to steal from a store and I make up a fake excise to justify this. For example, my people were persecuted and this is pay back of mu pain and suffering. Does the fake excuse justify me or am I still guilty of a crime? The fake insurrection and using it to steal government resources to run a political election interference scam is still a series of crimes. If the High Court shuts it down, the criminals are caught red handed and need to be prosecuted and hav veto pay back for their theft.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It will be fun to watch when Trump wins and it is payback time.

Only if you have zero respect for democracy. Pay back time is for autocrats, something for the likes of Putin or Hitler or Mao, not leaders of a democratic nation.

 

[McBell]

It will be fun to watch when Trump wins and it is payback time.

Wins what?
He is not going to win the popular vote.
Especially with so many of his supporters jumping ship.

The only chance he has is the Electoral College appointing him.
Since they did not go against the Popular vote last time he lost it....


IF Trump makes it on the ballot, all it will do is guarantee the Democrats candidate will win.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Something interesting on the question of whether the President is "an officer under the United States:"

In the case of K&D LLC v. Trump Old Post Office, LLC, 951 F. 3d 503, President Trump successfully argued that the U.S. President qualifies as an Officer of the United States, citing 28 U.S.C. § 1442(a)(1). The court's agreed, stating this statute permitted President Trump, in his capacity as an "officer... of the United States", to remove the state suit relating to duties of his office to federal court.

 

[Stevicus]

Trump has not been formally charged or indicted of insurrection. The DOJ has not brought formal charges. This is no more than a meme by fake news and the political left. This scam is the same as the failed Russian Collusion Coup, where the cart of fake news was placed before the horse; collusion was spin and never the truth. This obvious election interference is the only play the Left has left since they have screwed up the country and economy, and have nothing good to run on, so they need to use a recycled scam to divide the country between the good conscious people and morons who are unaware they are being scammed.

It will be fun to watch when Trump wins and it is payback time. Trump did not push for prosecution after the failed Russian Collusion Coup hoping to unify the country. But his gesture of good will and forgiveness was seen as weakness and used as an excuse to double down.

What should happens is the DNC should be back charged for all the tax payer money used for political purposes; stolen money to run the fake charge scams. They have ripped off the tax payers of NY state for $50 million, so far using the same partisan tactics. We can add all the expenses of the Russian Collusion Coup and since they also misused government resources for political purposes.

Trump should also be reimbursed for his all his expenses due to these scams and have the right to sue for slander and liable, anyone who participated in any of the scams, retired or not. It is illegal to misuse governs respires for private and personal use including partisan hit jobs. Either pay it back or go to jail until it is payed back.

Say I wanted to steal from a store and I make up a fake excise to justify this. For example, my people were persecuted and this is pay back of mu pain and suffering. Does the fake excuse justify me or am I still guilty of a crime? The fake insurrection and using it to steal government resources to run a political election interference scam is still a series of crimes. If the High Court shuts it down, the criminals are caught red handed and need to be prosecuted and hav veto pay back for their theft.

I've seen various opinions on the matter, so it seems that everyone is looking to the Supreme Court to make firm, decisive call on this one way or another. If the Court is divided, regardless of which side wins, the losing side is going to be outraged and call "foul." I'm not a lawyer, so I have no intention of arguing the case either way. I'll leave that to the pros, as it were.

Strictly speaking, the courts are supposed to be divorced from politics, but this concept is also being questioned and tested in the eyes of the masses in recent times. In any case, however they rule, it will definitely have a political effect.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Trump has not been formally charged or indicted of insurrection. The DOJ has not brought formal charges. This is no more than a meme by fake news and the political left. This scam is the same as the failed Russian Collusion Coup, where the cart of fake news was placed before the horse; collusion was spin and never the truth. This obvious election interference is the only play the Left has left since they have screwed up the country and economy, and have nothing good to run on, so they need to use a recycled scam to divide the country between the good conscious people and morons who are unaware they are being scammed.

It will be fun to watch when Trump wins and it is payback time. Trump did not push for prosecution after the failed Russian Collusion Coup hoping to unify the country. But his gesture of good will and forgiveness was seen as weakness and used as an excuse to double down.

What should happens is the DNC should be back charged for all the tax payer money used for political purposes; stolen money to run the fake charge scams. They have ripped off the tax payers of NY state for $50 million, so far using the same partisan tactics. We can add all the expenses of the Russian Collusion Coup and since they also misused government resources for political purposes.

Trump should also be reimbursed for his all his expenses due to these scams and have the right to sue for slander and liable, anyone who participated in any of the scams, retired or not. It is illegal to misuse governs respires for private and personal use including partisan hit jobs. Either pay it back or go to jail until it is payed back.

Say I wanted to steal from a store and I make up a fake excise to justify this. For example, my people were persecuted and this is pay back of mu pain and suffering. Does the fake excuse justify me or am I still guilty of a crime? The fake insurrection and using it to steal government resources to run a political election interference scam is still a series of crimes. If the High Court shuts it down, the criminals are caught red handed and need to be prosecuted and hav veto pay back for their theft.

Congratulations, you may have the worst case of TDS on this forum.

You always tend to go all over the place in your posts. Would you like to focus on one point at a time? Would you like to focus on say the New York state fraud suit that he already lost and the judge is only deciding on how severe he is going to be penalized. The only person that was scamming there was Trump, and he got caught. Why do you think that trial is a scam? Why should Trump be reimbursed for his fraudulent actions?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

One and two have been done. Three is questionable. But yes, they will have to present some evidence for January 6 and Trump's part in it. The Supremes may even already have come to a decision on that already. They are not ignoramuses. The main problem for them is if they let Trump off how will they justify it. There is some valid reasoning that for that there was a purpose in leaving the President off. That looks like Trump's only hope.

The justification is that there is no good evidence he participated in any way in an insurrection. Trump has not even been charged with committing an insurrection. If the Colorado court can decide without due process that Trump cannot be on the ballot then any state in the future can disqualify any candidate they don't like. Colorado did not hold a jury trial, it also did not provide evidence to be used against him prior to the proceedings. The standard of proof used was not beyond a reasonable doubt. It seems this tyranny by government is praised by dems. Why can't Texas disqualify Biden because he failed to enforce immigration laws that the constitution commands him to do, comparing that to an insurrection? I get you don't like him but you are better than this to deprive a citizen of their rights under the constitution.

Each of us are endowed with inalienable constitutional rights- no matter how tarnished, how malevolent, or how questionable we might be. If we forgo things like due process, everything crumbles. Perhaps even Waffle House cannot withstand such a calamity. - Brian Daniel Mounce

 

[Subduction Zone]

Something interesting on the question of whether the President is "an officer under the United States:"

In the case of K&D LLC v. Trump Old Post Office, LLC, 951 F. 3d 503, President Trump successfully argued that the U.S. President qualifies as an Officer of the United States, citing 28 U.S.C. § 1442(a)(1). The court's agreed, stating this statute permitted President Trump, in his capacity as an "officer... of the United States", to remove the state suit relating to duties of his office to federal court.

Trump always thinks that he should be able to reap the benefits of both sides of a law. In his Mar a Lago valuations he was the one that argued that it was valued less than the amount that the county assessor put upon it. They eventually agreed that it was worth the value that was used against him as part of the New York State fraud suit. The judge was not the person that put the extremely low value on it that he was complaining about. Trump put that value on it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The justification is that there is no good evidence he participated in any way in an insurrection. Trump has not even been charged with committing an insurrection. If the Colorado court can decide without due process that Trump cannot be on the ballot then any state in the future can disqualify any candidate they don't like. Colorado did not hold a jury trial, it also did not provide evidence to be used against him prior to the proceedings. The standard of proof used was not beyond a reasonable doubt. It seems this tyranny by government is praised by dems. Why can't Texas disqualify Biden because he failed to enforce immigration laws that the constitution commands him to do, comparing that to an insurrection? I get you don't like him but you are better than this to deprive a citizen of their rights under the constitution.

Each of us are endowed with inalienable constitutional rights- no matter how tarnished, how malevolent, or how questionable we might be. If we forgo things like due process, everything crumbles. Perhaps even Waffle House cannot withstand such a calamity. - Brian Daniel Mounce

I am sorry if you are blind, but practically everyone else can see that he did that. And why even bring up being charged? This is not a criminal penalty. He does not have to be charged with anything for a civil punishment.

And it is the Constitution that took away his right to run for office. You need to read all of it.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I am sorry if you are blind, but practically everyone else can see that he did that. And why even bring up being charged? This is not a criminal penalty. He does not have to be charged with anything for a civil punishment.

And it is the Constitution that took away his right to run for office. You need to read all of it.

What is the evidence he committed an insurrection?

If it is so obvious then why hasn't any prosecutor made a name for themselves and charged and convicted him of it? Why did Michigan, California, New Hampshire and Minnesota determine to leave him on the ballot? Why did the Colorado district court decide to leave him on the ballot? It is not obvious.

He recommended the national guard to be at the capitol, he said to march peaceably to the capitol. These are not actions of an insurrectionists. Why were none of these facts entered into the Jan 6th committee findings? You are being used.

 

[McBell]

What is the evidence he committed an insurrection?

Evaluating the Jan. 6 Committee's Evidence, in Full

The committee promised to prove seven key points about the former president’s conduct. How did it do?

www.lawfaremedia.org

 

[F1fan]

The justification is that there is no good evidence he participated in any way in an insurrection.

The ONLY reason there was a Jan 6yj protest was because Trump has consistently lied about election fraud. Trump is THE cause for all actions on Jan 6. Even many defendants who were convicted of crimes on Jan 6th said they believed they were following trump's orders.

Trump has not even been charged with committing an insurrection.

If you have seen the videos of Trump speaking before, and on Jan6th where he claims elections fraud, then you are seeing his part in this massive conspiracy.

If the Colorado court can decide without due process that Trump cannot be on the ballot then any state in the future can disqualify any candidate they don't like.

False, the CO elections officials are following the USA constitution and the CO elections laws. Trump was observed lying about election fraud and supporting those who committed crimes on Jan 6th. He is the ONLY reason this massive crime happened.

Colorado did not hold a jury trial, it also did not provide evidence to be used against him prior to the proceedings.

The constitution doesn't require a convinction, only that a perosn participated in an insurrection. We all have seen videos of Trump claiming elelction fraud, and his refusal to interfere with the crime.

The standard of proof used was not beyond a reasonable doubt. It seems this tyranny by government is praised by dems. Why can't Texas disqualify Biden because he failed to enforce immigration laws that the constitution commands him to do, comparing that to an insurrection?

Because the accusations have to be apparent, AND a disqualifying act. Biden hasn't done any such thing. We've all seen Trump lying about election fraud, and supporting the civil unrest this lie created. Trump is still lying. He is disturbed and unfit.

I get you don't like him but you are better than this to deprive a citizen of their rights under the constitution.

The consitution sets rules that disqualifies corrupt individuals. You can't select what you want to honor.

Each of us are endowed with inalienable constitutional rights- no matter how tarnished, how malevolent, or how questionable we might be. If we forgo things like due process, everything crumbles. Perhaps even Waffle House cannot withstand such a calamity. - Brian Daniel Mounce

Unless the candidate is corrupt and is disqualified.

 

[McBell]

You are being used.

Nope.
I just don't have my head up my backside

 

[Subduction Zone]

What is the evidence he committed an insurrection?

His speech on January . His actions before it. The way that he invited people there. You really should pay more attention if you want to comment.

If it is so obvious then why hasn't any prosecutor made a name for themselves and charged and convicted him of it? Why did Michigan, California, New Hampshire and Minnesota determine to leave him on the ballot? Why did the Colorado district court decide to leave him on the ballot? It is not obvious.

His DC case is partially based upon that. They all have their own reasons for doing so. But almost all of them would say that yes, he started an insurrection against the US.

He recommended the national guard to be at the capitol, he said to march peaceably to the capitol. These are not actions of an insurrectionists. Why were none of these facts entered into the Jan 6th committee findings? You are being used.

Did he? Or did he just claim that? You cannot believe anything that Trump says. That claim did not get invented until months after the event. And why did he refuse to call out the National Guard? The evidence that we already have refutes that claim.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Evaluating the Jan. 6 Committee's Evidence, in Full

The committee promised to prove seven key points about the former president’s conduct. How did it do?

www.lawfaremedia.org

Oh ok. A one sided partisan committee run by the opposition party where evidence that defends Trump is not allowed. The republicans on the committee hated Trump. That was not due process.

 

[McBell]

Oh ok. A one sided partisan committee run by the opposition party where evidence that defends Trump is not allowed. The republicans on the committee hated Trump. That was not due process.

Your are either to ignorant of the facts or to dishonest about the facts to have an honest meaningful discussion on this topic.

Look into the subpoena Trump ignored.
Then you might understand why your above nonsense is nonsense.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

The ONLY reason there was a Jan 6yj protest was because Trump has consistently lied about election fraud. Trump is THE cause for all actions on Jan 6. Even many defendants who were convicted of crimes on Jan 6th said they believed they were following trump's orders.

Just because someone thought Trump ordered them to commit violence does not mean that he told them to do anything. He told them to go march peaceably. One fact not entered into the Jan 6th record. Why?

If you have seen the videos of Trump speaking before, and on Jan6th where he claims elections fraud, then you are seeing his part in this massive conspiracy.

So what if he claims election fraud? Can no one question an election results?

False, the CO elections officials are following the USA constitution and the CO elections laws. Trump was observed lying about election fraud and supporting those who committed crimes on Jan 6th. He is the ONLY reason this massive crime happened.

No CO election official made this decision. Do you even know what happened in Colorado?

The constitution doesn't require a convinction, only that a perosn participated in an insurrection. We all have seen videos of Trump claiming elelction fraud, and his refusal to interfere with the crime.

Again how is claiming election fraud an insurrection? He recommended the national guard 2 days prior to Jan 6th. Congress refused. So not stopping the crimes is criminal? You have a very low bar for conviction for conservatives huh.

Because the accusations have to be apparent, AND a disqualifying act. Biden hasn't done any such thing. We've all seen Trump lying about election fraud, and supporting the civil unrest this lie created. Trump is still lying. He is disturbed and unfit.

Apparent by who? Not all dem states think he should be barred from the ballot. There is more evidence for Bidens corruption than anything Trump did.