The Taliban Prison break!

[Chisti]

The only reason there is anything that might impress you about them is their extreme motivation. Why would you be impressed however by someone extremely motivated to do evil?

How aren't you overridden by disgust with what they do?

What value or matter does their supposed skill have when its used in destroying lives? Its disturbing to have any sort of positive feelings towards them that might affect your whole judgment of them, if it does that is and i didn't misunderstand.

Even an evil act may require enormous courage and imagination, or it won;t be executed correctly. So the question is not whether the act is evil but whether even such an evil act could be possible without enormous courage, determination, and imagination.

 

[YmirGF]

The article itself is surprising but I think what isn't being discussed is most likely corruption within the system such as the prison itself. I find it hard to believe all 500 inmates fled down a tunnel without any guards noticing, the influence of these groups is shocking.

This was certainly my first thought. Good thing the Americans are training these folks, eh?
What an unmitigated disaster of "foreign policy".

Is this another example of the benefits of the "smart power" doctrine?

 

[YmirGF]

Even an evil act may require enormous courage and imagination, or it won;t be executed correctly. So the question is not whether the act is evil but whether even such an evil act could be possible without enormous courage, determination, and imagination.

I'd suggest that religious fanaticism plays a big part too. Fanaticism tends to minimize the need for courage, determination and imagination.

 

[England my lionheart]

Just watching the News,65 of the prisoners have been recaptured and there is evidence of help from the guards,no surprise there.

 

[Badran]

Even an evil act may require enormous courage and imagination, or it won;t be executed correctly. So the question is not whether the act is evil but whether even such an evil act could be possible without enormous courage, determination, and imagination.

Sure, however sympathizing or liking or whatever having a soft spot means for these people, because they're possibly good at the crimes they do, is pretty disturbing.

That is assuming they have those skills, which i don't really see. All i see is extreme motivation and leaders taking advantage of that.

 

[Bismillah]

This was certainly my first thought. Good thing the Americans are training these folks, eh?
What an unmitigated disaster of "foreign policy".

Is this another example of the benefits of the "smart power" doctrine?

A bit like bailing a boat with a Dixie Cup eh?

That people expect this corrupt and back broken administration to last without any direct support is laughable sounds like a resounding failure to me.

 

[Bismillah]

Even an evil act may require enormous courage and imagination, or it won;t be executed correctly. So the question is not whether the act is evil but whether even such an evil act could be possible without enormous courage, determination, and imagination.

Are you familiar with their tactics? Suicide bombers do not posses some inhumane dose of courage and motivation, their entire thought process is bankrupted and recreated to allow for Taliban's ideology to take root.

They either kidnap or offer lodging and "education", and most importantly money to hopelessly poor families to entice them to send their children. The amount of blood money is often negligible and leaves the family in disgrace however.

Breaking: Taliban Kidnap Hundreds Of Pakistani School Children at Pat Dollard
Families of teen suicide bombers face financial, emotional hardships

Thus securing a steady influence over the younger generations and creating within them a hateful ideology of almost anything except for their own organization they proceed to brainwash them with appeals to paradise, virgins, and "verses" from the Qur'an instructing Muslims to kill the Pakistani Army, the Hindus, the Americans, and anyone in the way.

Taliban schools to brainwash us: suicide bomber « RAWA News
Pakistan: Taliban brainwashes kids with visions of virgins - CNN

A suicide bomber is nothing but a shell of a human whose abject and deplorable status made him easy prey.

 

[YmirGF]

A suicide bomber is nothing but a shell of a human whose abject and deplorable status made him easy prey.

and considering that literacy is not encouraged they will remain vulnerable to this odious ideology of doom.

 

[Starsoul]

How about mind altered bushmen kidnapping children, strapping them to bombs, and instructing them to blow themselves up in the middle of friday prayer at a mosque?

Or a group of men using dull knives to behead captured policemen.

Burning down and bombing schools?

Assassinating minorities?

They are the scum of the Earth.

I'm not saying that this is all wrong or all right but,

More taliban children n women die in their homes with the drones, more mosques have been bombed by the drones in PRAYER timings, and definitely more innocent civilians from the taliban side have died , than the civilians from the privileged segment of the society. By that standard, the army should also be called the scum of the earth, because they have killed countless innocent people, or help them get killed, now welcome to revenge.: P

And thanks to ' the conspiratory elements' that help them proliferate, arm them heavily and extend chaos in the region, how does a poor group of tribal peole get such weaponry and sensitive ammunition? just recently the CIA chief operator raymond davis was caught Red handed with contacts of all such people who have claim responsibility to be involved in all the chaos proceedings. He was found giving away sensitive information about all the country's places to the terrorists, why??!!!

This is pure revenge. The tribals think they are taking revenge, and somebody is using their revenge to get their own interests, fuelling their fire of revenge by supporting them so extensively! There were no suicide bombings on the civilians of pakistan, until a huge number of tribal families, and their kids died because the unknown enemies and missiles hitting their towns. It is rather foolish to not even expect that they will retaliate, dude we have killed their families, they want justice! This probably isn't the right way to go about it, but what do you expect, the tribals have lived in impoverished conditions all their lives without any facilities, without education, without health services and without everything else!

Brutality is happening on both sides, and probably done being more to the T side.

And what about this guy? An alqaeda man, who was working for Mi 6? And the part that Mr. laden was working for CIA for the longest time until oh well they dropped him, what a co-incidence.


Al-Qaeda assassin 'MI6 spy' - The Sun mobile

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Starsoul, no one was criticizing the poor innocent people of Afghanistan or Pakistan who have been harmed in drone attacks. The criticism was of the Taliban. The Taliban were brutal and evil long before they could claim the excuse of Western drones killing innocent civilians.

According to the Al-Jazeera article around 100 of the 500 escaped prisoners were Taliban commanders.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

It would be impressive if it was done under the noses of the Guards but i suspect it was done with collusion of the very people who are supposed to take over security.

Very true ...To half empty an entire prison, must have entailed a lot of shifting people from cells and buildings. It must have entailed inside collusion.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I'm not saying that this is all wrong or all right but,

More taliban children n women die in their homes with the drones, more mosques have been bombed by the drones in PRAYER timings, and definitely more innocent civilians from the taliban side have died , than the civilians from the privileged segment of the society. By that standard, the army should also be called the scum of the earth, because they have killed countless innocent people, or help them get killed, now welcome to revenge.: P

And thanks to ' the conspiratory elements' that help them proliferate, arm them heavily and extend chaos in the region, how does a poor group of tribal peole get such weaponry and sensitive ammunition? just recently the CIA chief operator raymond davis was caught Red handed with contacts of all such people who have claim responsibility to be involved in all the chaos proceedings. He was found giving away sensitive information about all the country's places to the terrorists, why??!!!

This is pure revenge. The tribals think they are taking revenge, and somebody is using their revenge to get their own interests, fuelling their fire of revenge by supporting them so extensively! There were no suicide bombings on the civilians of pakistan, until a huge number of tribal families, and their kids died because the unknown enemies and missiles hitting their towns. It is rather foolish to not even expect that they will retaliate, dude we have killed their families, they want justice! This probably isn't the right way to go about it, but what do you expect, the tribals have lived in impoverished conditions all their lives without any facilities, without education, without health services and without everything else!

Brutality is happening on both sides, and probably done being more to the T side.

And what about this guy? An alqaeda man, who was working for Mi 6? And the part that Mr. laden was working for CIA for the longest time until oh well they dropped him, what a co-incidence.


Al-Qaeda assassin 'MI6 spy' - The Sun mobile

This is all the sort of stuff that Terrorist organisers are flooding on to innocent websites to misinform and lead astray potential and weak minded followers.

They use half truths to build their lies and gain support.

 

[Starsoul]

Starsoul, no one was criticizing the poor innocent people of Afghanistan or Pakistan who have been harmed in drone attacks. The criticism was of the Taliban. The Taliban were brutal and evil long before they could claim the excuse of Western drones killing innocent civilians.

According to the Al-Jazeera article around 100 of the 500 escaped prisoners were Taliban commanders.

Thank you for clarifying spinkles. : ) But this is so interesting how people are SO sure that Taliban are 'the real evil', it is unbelievable! Years long ago, Afghanistan was not brutalized by taliban, it was the war Lords, drug Lords who had the control and spread the whole place with extreme brutality. If , taliban have stopped THOSE brutal people, then that isn't brutal or it is , you think?

Afghani people really have begun to Trust the taliban more than they trust anyone else, their support is ever growing in the region, it is the truth. People,i.e, poor people don't support oppressive brutal blood thirsty hounds, and If you think that the Afghan war which is extending to Pakistan is just a co-incidence, it is wrong. Such wars are planned DECADES ago, and they have motives , which most of us are unable to understand yet. US isn't in Afg because its stuck there, it wants to BE there.

 

[Sunstone]

Thank you for clarifying spinkles. : ) But this is so interesting how people are SO sure that Taliban are 'the real evil'....

But are you representing people's opinion correctly here, or are you perhaps misrepresenting their opinion? I haven't seen where people are saying the Taliban are "the real evil", although I have seen where people are saying the Taliban are "a real evil". The difference seems significant. If you believe people are saying the Taliban are "the real evil", then could you provide links and examples of that?

...it is unbelievable! Years long ago, Afghanistan was not brutalized by taliban, it was the war Lords, drug Lords who had the control and spread the whole place with extreme brutality. If , taliban have stopped THOSE brutal people, then that isn't brutal or it is , you think?

I'm no expert on Afghanistan, but then I don't think you need to be an expert to have heard, years ago, of the Taliban brutalizing people who were not war lords or drug lords. But let's say, for the sake of discussion, that you have your facts straight and that your account is actually reasonably balanced -- are you actually asserting, as it seems you are, that the Taliban is not brutal on the grounds that the people it surppressed are brutal? And if that is what you are asserting, could you please explain how it would be rational, logical, or reasonable to assert that?

 

[Starsoul]

This is all the sort of stuff that Terrorist organisers are flooding on to innocent websites to misinform and lead astray potential and weak minded followers.

They use half truths to build their lies and gain support.

You think this a forged internet article I'm trying to talk about. Sorry but this is big real news in my country, and i perfectly understand how it doesn't cross the borders to any other country.

Recently, An american journalist was here a few days ago and he said publicly at how shocked he was at the selective media coverage of events in his part of the world, and if some of it went to the American people, they will be shocked that at how everyday there are women, children and innocent people dying in the name of some war on their taxes : P

Twenty-five people, including five children and four women, were killed and 10 others injured when unmanned US spy planes fired six missiles at the Dandi Kach village in Mir Ali subdivision, North Waziristan, early Friday.

Security officials and villagers said the drones fired six missiles, targeting a house and a Hujra (male guesthouse), where local tribal guests were staying. Villagers said all the victims were local tribesmen and five among them were children and four women.

Earlier, after attacking a tribal Jirga at Dattakhel on March 17 in which 50 tribesmen(civilian), including members of the Jirga, some children and Khassadar Force soldiers, were killed, the CIA had halted the missile strikes in that tribal region( and yet attacked again ) On that occasion, Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani had strongly condemned the drone attack.

The foreign media has very conveniently, put this news forward as 'militants' being killed, whereas everyone in our side of the world clearly knew that these people were NOT militants.


Drone attack in North Waziristan kills 25

 

[England my lionheart]

lol You think this a forged internet article I'm trying to talk about. Sorry but this is big real news in my country, and i perfectly understand how it doesn't cross the borders to any other country.

Maybe its propaganda instead of News

Recently, An american journalist was here a few days ago and he said publicly at how shocked he was at the selective media coverage of events in his part of the world, and if some of it went to the American people, they will be shocked that at how everyday there are women, children and innocent people dying in the name of some war on their taxes : P

Who is this American Journalist,i would be interested in what heshe says

 

[Starsoul]

But are you representing people's opinion correctly here, or are you perhaps misrepresenting their opinion? I haven't seen where people are saying the Taliban are "the real evil", although I have seen where people are saying the Taliban are "a real evil". The difference seems significant. If you believe people are saying the Taliban are "the real evil", then could you provide links and examples of that?

I was talking in context of the afgan war so I think its obvious if i said ,'the real evil' it measures it within the parameters that' this' war is confined within, and hence it specifically addresses that.

I'm no expert on Afghanistan, but then I don't think you need to be an expert to have heard, years ago, of the Taliban brutalizing people who were not war lords or drug lords. But let's say, for the sake of discussion, that you have your facts straight and that your account is actually reasonably balanced -- are you actually asserting, as it seems you are, that the Taliban is not brutal on the grounds that the people it surppressed are brutal? And if that is what you are asserting, could you please explain how it would be rational, logical, or reasonable to assert that?

Because I have lived in Afghanistan and my family ,since LONG has had roots there, been living there long enough to actually know what they have seen with their eyes, experienced it, and suffered through it. May not be rational, logical, or reasonable to you or anyone else for that matter, but enough for me, and for those who live in the region.

 

[Starsoul]

Who is this American Journalist,i would be interested in what heshe says

Ill link his interview, but its mostly in a foreign language : P

 

[England my lionheart]

Ill link his interview, but its mostly in a foreign language : P

OK thanks

 

[bhaktajan]

I just found this so cool! So hard to imagine how all this got done?

Around 541 members of the Taliban, including military commanders, escaped from Kandahar city's main jail via a 320 metre-long tunnel.

A Taliban official on Monday confirmed the overnight escape, boasting that the prison break had been "very well-planned" and that it was five months in the making, Al Jazeera's Qais Azimy, reporting from Kabul, said.

Wow. Well I guess the coalition did not detect heat traces underground by night drones and surgerically implant trackers and googgle their destinations and that such covert subterfuge would beyond viable stratagem ---like finding oil veins?