The term "religion of peace"

[rational experiences]

Because only when you "live in submission to the Will of God" you are Granted ultimate Peace

Which said man was never first a lord or a king he was just a man with God.

Family mutual family was already hierarchy. Parents children. Equal. Then grand parents parents children mutual. Then great grand parents grand parents parents children mutual.

Submit to gods plan.

 

[stvdv]

Because only when you "live in submission to the Will of God" you are Granted ultimate Peace

Which said man was never first a lord or a king he was just a man with God.

Said man never said otherwise

 

[stvdv]

Family mutual family was already hierarchy

Manmade

Parents children. Equal.

Tue

 

[stvdv]

Then great grand parents grand parents parents children mutual.

Can you explain this?

 

[stvdv]

Submit to gods plan.

Easier said to others than done yourself, right?

 

[KWED]

Of course, it is reasonable to use terms of mockery when one's goal is to convey hostility towards an idea or a person.
I never questioned that.

What I questioned is that mockery and displays of hostility constitute "reasonable criticism".

So you don't think that anyone can reasonably criticise an idea they are hostile to?

I still have no idea what you are talking about. Could you elaborate on what you consider "reasonable criticism" of Islam, perhaps by offering an example of "reasonable criticism" being attacked as bigotry, like you claim to have observed?

There is a thread on here called Ask About Islam. Read the responses by @MyM to posts from a number of people.
Obviously, if you have never been critical of Islam in discussion with apologists you are unlikely to have experienced such a thing, but as they say "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".

 

[KWED]

Because the word Islam has the meaning of seeking peace in it.

Not quite. "Islam" shares a root word with "peace" (salaam), but it actually means "submission".
I thought you were an expert in Arabic?

 

[KWED]

I have not responded to any such criticisms in this thread

Your first post basically labelled critics of Islam as Islamophobes, etc.

- nor have I found any to begin with, to be fair - so I have no idea what you're talking about.

about half of the first dozen posts are critical of Islam.

 

[Clara Tea]

Islam cannot rationally or reasonably be described as a "religion of peace", without ignoring large parts of the Quran and sunnah. The reality is that Islam is a religion of peace and violence, of tolerance and intolerance, of equality and discrimination.

Just Islam? Not Christianity? Not Judaism? Not "toss virgins in volcano" religions?

Splnter in neighbor's eye, log in own?

The vast majority of Islamics re peaceful, but the violent, intolerant, and discriminatory rhetoric of the Quran and sunnah motivate more than just a few (but many) terrorists.

So, is the solution to "not ignoring" ignoring? Certainly this was the edict of the Catholic church when raped little boys had their families complain about rape by priests. The Catholic church told their families that they would harm the church and blaspheme God if they told the truth.

Am I against religion if I tell the truth? That depends....Is the rape of little boys an official part of the Catholic religion? Or, is it something that priests have done that is separate of the Catholic religion?

The pope wrong a strongly worded See to the United States, admonishing the war in Iraq. But did other Christian denominations considering war to be an official part of their religion? God/Jesus told Christians "thou shalt not kill" and "turn the other cheek" and "thou shalt not bear false witness." Does that mean that killing, fighting, and lying are official parts of the Christian faith? If not, then mentioning bad behavior, that has nothing to do with the Christian faith, cannot possibly be construed as hating the Christian faith.

The New Testament Christian bible says that Christ will "soon" have a 2nd coming. He will come with a tongue like a sword. I think that means that he won't come as the meek demiGod that he was prior to crucifixion. Rather, he will come to give His followers (or those who think that they are His followers) a tongue lashing. Christ will do what he did last time, but more so...he will rail against Christian churches that lock their doors to the hungry, poor, and sick, while owning expensive bobbles. Christ will give a tongue lashing to churches that hide child molesting priests from the law. Christ will rail against Christians practicing war. Etc.

In other words, Christ will make his 2nd coming, rail against the way Christians practice rape and war (etc.), and if Christ writes in this Religious Forum, He might be banned for being against Christians.

Christ against Christians? Nonsense. Christians are against Christ, not the other way around. Reverend John Hagee said that we have to pray to Jesus to win the war (that is, kill more effectively).

God knows that without proper preparation, Christ will be banned and ignored (if not dissected) in his 2nd coming. For this reason, God has chosen some humans to do tasks. One task is to sort of speak for Christ before Christ gets here. That is, say the things that Christ will say before Christ says them. Most people will interpret this behavior as an attack upon Christianity. But, it is the other way around. Christians have attacked Christianity, and Christ will come to correct them (with a tongue like a sword, as the bible says). I can assure you that Christianity means doing things the way Christ would, and Christ is not against Christians, just against them straying from the path.

I cannot say what God has assigned me to do because God won't let me. God wants only Himself (God) worshipped, not His workers.

Everything that I wrote is my opinion, unless I quoted someone else.

 

[pearl]

Sorry, not sure what you were trying to say there. Were you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

I was agreeing with you. History cannot simply be ignored.

 

[pearl]

Ratzinger was a scary and psychopathic man.

Only appears to be on the surface.

 

[KWED]

Just Islam? Not Christianity? Not Judaism? Not "toss virgins in volcano" religions?

Splnter in neighbor's eye, log in own?

The vast majority of Islamics re peaceful, but the violent, intolerant, and discriminatory rhetoric of the Quran and sunnah motivate more than just a few (but many) terrorists.

So, is the solution to "not ignoring" ignoring? Certainly this was the edict of the Catholic church when raped little boys had their families complain about rape by priests. The Catholic church told their families that they would harm the church and blaspheme God if they told the truth.

Am I against religion if I tell the truth? That depends....Is the rape of little boys an official part of the Catholic religion? Or, is it something that priests have done that is separate of the Catholic religion?

The pope wrong a strongly worded See to the United States, admonishing the war in Iraq. But did other Christian denominations considering war to be an official part of their religion? God/Jesus told Christians "thou shalt not kill" and "turn the other cheek" and "thou shalt not bear false witness." Does that mean that killing, fighting, and lying are official parts of the Christian faith? If not, then mentioning bad behavior, that has nothing to do with the Christian faith, cannot possibly be construed as hating the Christian faith.

The New Testament Christian bible says that Christ will "soon" have a 2nd coming. He will come with a tongue like a sword. I think that means that he won't come as the meek demiGod that he was prior to crucifixion. Rather, he will come to give His followers (or those who think that they are His followers) a tongue lashing. Christ will do what he did last time, but more so...he will rail against Christian churches that lock their doors to the hungry, poor, and sick, while owning expensive bobbles. Christ will give a tongue lashing to churches that hide child molesting priests from the law. Christ will rail against Christians practicing war. Etc.

In other words, Christ will make his 2nd coming, rail against the way Christians practice rape and war (etc.), and if Christ writes in this Religious Forum, He might be banned for being against Christians.

Christ against Christians? Nonsense. Christians are against Christ, not the other way around. Reverend John Hagee said that we have to pray to Jesus to win the war (that is, kill more effectively).

God knows that without proper preparation, Christ will be banned and ignored (if not dissected) in his 2nd coming. For this reason, God has chosen some humans to do tasks. One task is to sort of speak for Christ before Christ gets here. That is, say the things that Christ will say before Christ says them. Most people will interpret this behavior as an attack upon Christianity. But, it is the other way around. Christians have attacked Christianity, and Christ will come to correct them (with a tongue like a sword, as the bible says). I can assure you that Christianity means doing things the way Christ would, and Christ is not against Christians, just against them straying from the path.

I cannot say what God has assigned me to do because God won't let me. God wants only Himself (God) worshipped, not His workers.

Everything that I wrote is my opinion, unless I quoted someone else.

Just checked the OP and as I thought, this thread is about calling Islam "a religion of peace".

However, I agree that the other Abrahamics can be just as intolerant and violent, and if apologists for those other religions claim they are "a religion of peace", they are equally wrong.

 

[Altfish]

According to Quora ..

"The first reference we have is from late 1930, in the title of a book published in India by Ishtiaq Husain Qureshi.

The phrase was slow to take off, but by the 1970s it was appearing more and more frequently in the writings of Muslims for Western audiences. An effective proselytising slogan for marketing the faith, financed thru petrodollars.

Post 2001, the phrase gained wide spread awareness as western politicians used it in imp public announcements post terror attacks."

 

[Audie]

You seem very ignorant in the topic so all you can do is make some random comments and insult subtly.

Ignorant is not being able to recognize
absurdities.

 

[Audie]

Because the word Islam has the meaning of seeking peace in it.

After all the infidels are dealt with?

 

[Clara Tea]

Kind of like Putin's "peacekeeping forces" currently invading Ukraine.

I agree.

Violent people often tell people that they are peace loving. They cannot demonstrate that they love peace, so they have to talk about peace.

HITLER QUOTES

Example:

"At opening of 1934 Berlin Auto Show National Socialist Germany (Nazi) wants peace because of its fundamental convictions. And it wants peace also owing to the realization of the simple primitive fact that no war would be likely essentially to alter the distress in Europe....The principal effect of every war is to destroy the flower of the nation....Germany needs peace and desires peace!" (Quotation of Adolph Hitler....source is above).

Another example:

"Speech in Munich March 1936, quoted in Max Domarus (ed.) Hitler: Reden and Proklamationen 1932-1945 The sportive, knightly battle awakens the best human characteristics. It doesn't separate, but unites the combatants in understanding and respect. He also helps to connect the countries in the spirit of peace. That's why the Olympic Flame should never die." (Quotation of Adolph Hitler....source is above).

Another example:

"Commenting on 1936 Olympic Games The German people are not a warlike nation. It is a soldierly one, which means it does not want a war, but does not fear it. It loves peace but also loves its honor and freedom. (Quotation of Adolph Hitler...source is above).

Quote by Adolf Hitler: “Godess of peace can walk only in the company of...”

"Godess of peace can walk only in the company of God of war and that every great act of peace must be protected and assisted by force, so, we must be living realization of the duty of each man to sacrifice his life at all times so that his country might live." (Quotation of Adolph Hitler....source is above).

Note that many Nazis were said to have been killed (or committed suicide) at the end of WW II, yet were later found to have lived long lives in South America, and unable to be extradited for war crimes despite decades of effort on the part of the Weisenthal Center et al.

20 Key Quotes by Adolf Hitler About World War Two

"In speeches as well as writing, he could express himself diplomatically, but as evinced below, his true knack was to demonise, inspire hatred and (ultimately) war and genocide." (source is above).

"We shall only talk of peace when we have won the war." (Quotation of Adolph Hitler, source is above).

Adolf Hitler quote #2030389

"As a peace-loving man, I have made every effort to give the German nation the defence and the weapons which are appropriate to persuade others also for peace. A hedgehog never attacks another animal except when it is attacked. No one should come near us. We want only our quiet and the right to live." (Quotation of Adolph Hitler, Wimar, November 6, 1938, quoted in the Times, September 26, 1939, page 10, 1930's).

"Free nations don't attack each other." (Quotation of President George W. Bush, Midwest Airlines Center, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, October 3, 2003, source is above).

ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN RHETORIC.

THERE IS MUCH RHETORIC ABOUT HOW PEACEFUL ISLAMICS ARE, YET THEIR ACTIONS BELIE THEIR RHETORIC.

 

[Clara Tea]

It is that mindset that found Joseph Ratzinger's (Bennedict XVI) speech so negative.
"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
The Pope maintained that the comment he had quoted did not reflect his own views. His statement has been included as a footnote in the official text of the lecture available at Vatican website:

In the Muslim world, this quotation has unfortunately been taken as an expression of my personal position, thus arousing understandable indignation. I hope that the reader of my text can see immediately that this sentence does not express my personal view of the Qur’an, for which I have the respect due to the holy book of a great religion. In quoting the text of the Emperor Manuel II, I intended solely to draw out the essential relationship between faith and reason. On this point I am in agreement with Manuel II, but without endorsing his polemic.

My own personal position would be that Islam is a religion of peach, but with a corrupted political agenda within it.

"Religion of peach"....perhaps--but the definition is fuzzy. Peace? I don't think so.

"Essential relationship between faith and reason." Please elucidate.

 

[pearl]

"Essential relationship between faith and reason." Please elucidate.

No following you but, in order to believe both must be reconciled, otherwise the mind is telling the heart what is believed is an absurdity.

 

[Audie]

No following you but, in order to believe both must be reconciled, otherwise the mind is telling the heart what is believed is an absurdity.

What part of the mind? Belief in miracles is irrational.
" Reason" has nothing to do with it.

 

[firedragon]

After all the infidels are dealt with?

Nah. I just said what it means. So your random comments are irrelevant.