TiggerII
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If you can find one single place in the entire scriptures where God is described with the word "three," I'll gladly change my personal study which says otherwise.
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the trinity, what do you believe?
- Thread starter Starlight
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If you can find one single place in the entire scriptures where God is described with the word "three," I'll gladly change my personal study which says otherwise.
Teritos
Active Member
You need the spirit of truth to see the trinity in the bible. I got it, so I can see it.
TiggerII
Active Member
If you can find one single place in the entire scriptures where God is described with the word "three," I'll gladly change my personal study which says otherwise.
And if you can show where God is depicted (vision, dream, description, etc.) as three in undisputed scripture, I'd be equally amazed.
And if you can show where God is depicted (vision, dream, description, etc.) as three in undisputed scripture, I'd be equally amazed.
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Muffled
Jesus in me
There is no place where it says God is three. The Trinity is God.
Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
According to most christian churches and the offical ortodox christian doctrines it is forbidden and heresy to say God is three.
According to most churches and the offical christian doctrines God is only one God. God is one because God is only one being.
God is three persons who share one being.
If you say God is three gods then you believe in the heresy tritheism.
Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
According to most christian churches and the offical ortodox christian doctrines it is forbidden and heresy to say God is three.
According to most churches and the offical christian doctrines God is only one God. God is one because God is only one being.
God is three persons who share one being.
If you say God is three gods then you believe in the heresy tritheism.
TiggerII
Active Member
'God is three' means God is three persons and it is not in scripture.
If you can find one single place in the entire scriptures where God is described with the word "three," I'll gladly change my personal study which says otherwise.
And if you can show where God is depicted (vision, dream, description, etc.) as three in undisputed scripture, I'd be equally amazed. Acts 7:55-56.
Gezellig
Member
Three in one. With shampoo, this is understandable. How about the personality?
Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
I have read part of the Bible, but not the whole Bible.
Brian2
Veteran Member
I can show you places where Jesus is called Yahweh and places where the Holy Spirit is called Yahweh.
I can show you places where Jesus is said to have not been created.
I can show you places where Jesus is called equal to God.
I can show you places where the Holy Spirit is called "alive".
But no, you want a place where God is described with the word "three".
Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
I do not believe in the trinity but i know trinitarian christians use this verses from the Bible to prove that God is three persons:
As soon as Jesus was baptized, He went up out of the water. Suddenly the heavens were opened, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting on Him. And a voice from heaven Said, "this is my beloved son, in whom i am well pleased" Matthew 3:16
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Matthew 28:19
Neither. I believe the Creed:
"I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of Heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.
"And in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God. Born of the Father before all ages. God of God, Light of Light, true God of true God. Begotten, not made: consubstantial with the Father; by Whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation, came down from Heaven: and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary: and was made man. He was crucified also for us, suffered under Pontius Pilate, and was buried. And on the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures. And He ascended into Heaven and sitteth at the right hand of the Father. And He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead: of Whose kindgom there shall be no end.
"And in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life: Who proceedeth from the Father. Who together with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified: Who spoke through the Prophets.
"And in One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. I confess one Baptism for the remission of sins. And I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen."
The first video in my signature is also a divinely inspired (according to me, let all above and below be according to me) explanation of the Trinity.
Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
What do you believe the creed is saying about what the trinity really is?
That there is God the Father who eternally begets the Son (who because a father always gives birth to a son who has the same nature the Son has a divine nature), and the Holy Spirit is a Person who proceeds (which is distinct from begetting) from the Father (through the Son).
There is one God because the Father is the Principle without Principle (He is not begotten, He does not proceed).
There is one God because there is only one divine nature.
There is one God because there is no multiplicity discerned in the acts/operations of God.
There are Three because there are Three Persons, that is, particulars or subjects, "who."
They do not share the divine nature, they have it.
They are not one another but are distinct.
There is no contradiction to be said about it such as "three beings are one being" because of this.
It is moments such as theses that the man everyone knew in a certain light now becomes the light of God's chosen Messenger, the Spirit that they are born of is made known and the Message is just about to be given.
Every Messenger has recorded such a time.
The Sun, the Ray's and the Mirrior explanation of God and the Messenger posted in this OP, makes it as clear as day, IMHO.
Regards Tony
Brian2
Veteran Member
Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
There is nothing there about reflection if you check the meaning of "brightness". (even if some wrong translations use "reflection")
I am told that the word "being" means that He has always been and always will be the radiance of the glory of God and the express image of His person, even when a man on earth.
TiggerII
Active Member
“I am told that the word "being" means that He has always been and always will be…”
But ὤν (meaning “being”) is also found at John 7:50 and 11:51, KJV and NASB.
John 7:50 - “Nicodemus (he who came to Him before, being [ὤν] (one of them) *said to them,”- NASB. Obviously Nicodemus hadn’t always been one of them.
John 11:51 - "Now he did not say this on his own initiative, but being [ὤν] high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus was going to die for the nation," - NASB (95). Obviously not “always”!
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Brian2
Veteran Member
What you say sound right grammatically to me. I think the person I got that from must have been seeing it in terms of interpretation.
The examples you gave refer to people who became what they were and departed those roles, but the Son of God has always been and will always be the radiance of the glory of God because He is the same yesterday, today and forever. (Heb 13:8)
Heb 1:3 who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his essence, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
From my limited knowledge of the language the participles in the sentence refer to the later verbs, purged and sat, and show that while a human on earth and later in heaven, Jesus was the radiance of the glory of God and the express image of his essence and upheld all things by the word of His power.