The Trinity - What on Earth is it?

[Yokefellow]

Yet Jesus said he was one with the Father. The Father in Heaven is God, so what could that mean?

It means Jesus is God.

 

[YoursTrue]

I believe the same God authored both Old and New Testaments.

The Scribes simply wrote it all down.

Actually, what many refer to as the "Old Testament" is said to have been canonized at various times. An interesting discussion can be found at Wikipedia about canonization of the Hebrew scriptures. In part, it states, "Evidence suggests that the process of canonization occurred between 200 BC and 200 AD, and a popular position is that the Torah was canonized c. 400 BC, the Prophets c. 200 BC, and the Writings c. 100 AD[4] perhaps at a hypothetical Council of Jamnia—however, this position is increasingly criticised by modern scholars.[5][6][7][8][9][10] According to Marc Zvi Brettler, the Jewish scriptures outside the Torah and the Prophets were fluid, with different groups seeing authority in different books."
There are variances, and there are mentions in the Hebrew scriptures as to certain books that have not been preserved.

Biblical canon - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[YoursTrue]

It means Jesus is God.

Let me ask you this question, please. Would you say that Jesus is always equal to the Father?

 

[Yokefellow]

Let me ask you this question, please. Would you say that Jesus is always equal to the Father?

No.

 

[YoursTrue]

No.

oh. Is that what the Trinity doctrine normally teaches? That Jesus is not always equal to the Father?

 

[YoursTrue]

It means Jesus is God.

When Jesus was on earth he did say he was one with the Father. Does that mean he was equal to the Father when he was on the earth?

 

[Yokefellow]

When Jesus was on earth he did say he was one with the Father.

Yes, however the same could be said for all of us.

At the highest level, everything is one with God.

Does that mean he was equal to the Father when he was on the earth?

No. That would be like me saying that your Soul is equal to your Body.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Even Genesis describes the Trinity.

It does not.

 

[Yokefellow]

Apparently, folks have no idea in the world that the Trinity is right there in Genesis. And no, I am not talking about 'Elohim' being plural or whatever.

Before I show you, let us go over the basics...

The Trinity is easiest to understand as:

• Body
• Soul
• Spirit

As I have taught many times on this forum a Soul is a living organism's Genome Sequence. It is also the Word of God made flesh.

Thus, when Jesus is down here, he is a 3D representation, manifestation, representative, symbol of God's Soul, the Word.

When Jesus goes back to the highest level, i.e., the Logos and Consuming Fire, he *merges* with it. Again, Jesus is symbolic of God's Soul.

The 'dust of the ground' is symbolic of Nucleobases (A, C, G, T, U). Specifically, Gene Sequences.

God took Gene Sequences and formed a Genome. Adam's Genome.

Said Genome is in a sort of 'deep sleep'. It needs a Spirit to be truly alive. Thus, God breathed Adam's Spirit into the Genome Sequence and formed a Soul that is alive, i.e., a Living Soul.

Now we have:

• Adam's Soul = Word of God = Genome Sequence
• Adam's Spirit = Electromagnetism

Where is the Body? He does not have one yet. Adam is *naked*.

The two trees determined which 'Body Style' Adam would receive. He chose the corrupt Body we have now.

Adam is now a Trinity:

• Body
• Soul
• Spirit

And there you have it. The Trinity in Genesis.

 

[Yokefellow]

Where does the Son reside? In the bosom of the Father...

John 1:18 - "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

It is *literal*. Think Abraham's Bosom. Abraham is the perfect archetype for the Father in Heaven.

The Son resides literally inside...

Hebrews 7:9-10 - "And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him."

1. Father = Abraham
2. Son = Levi
3. Holy Ghost = Abraham's Spirit

Three in one.

Jesus is Abraham's Seed... as in Sperm...

Galatians 3:16 - "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ."

Seed is DNA. DNA is a Genome Sequence. It is the Soul made flesh.

Same thing...

1. Father = Abraham
2. Son = Jesus
3. Holy Ghost = Abraham's Spirit

Jesus represents the Sperm of the Father.

Why reside in the bosom? The Bosom is where the Tables of the Heart is...

2 Corinthians 3:3 - "Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart."

'Tables of the Heart' is symbolic of where the Genome Sequence, the Soul, is stored. A new Genome Sequence will be written to eliminate 'bad behavior'. It is God Eugenics...

Psalms 37:31 - "The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide."

The New Covenant is literally Eugenics...

Hebrews 8:10 - For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heart and Soul.

 

[Yokefellow]

Most do not realize that Jesus is his own Father because Jesus conceived himself. That is how it works when incarnating from the Highest to Earth.

It is called Kenosis. It would be as if a man down here turned himself into a Sperm and inseminated himself into the womb of his wife. He is his own Father. He is his own Son. His wife would also be his mother.

This is also how the Sons of God 'came into' the Daughters of Men. They 'left their first estate', i.e., they left their Body behind and inseminated themselves. The 'wives' they took were also their mothers.

Kenosis.

 

[Yokefellow]

Who likes Rabbis?

A 25:25 in this video, Rabbi Ted Falcon explains that Adam and the Woman were clothed with the skin and flesh we have now...

Job mentions it here...

Job 10:11 - "Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews."

Again, 'naked' means no Body.

 

[Muffled]

I can agree Psalm 104:30 has No reference to Jesus because it is God who sends forth His spirit to create
Jesus gives all the credit to his God as being The Creator (singular) at Revelation 4:11
To me there is pre-existence involved with the first prophecy found at Genesis 3:15
Satan is the pre-existing angel that gets bruised in his head (Hebrews 2:14 B)
ALL the angels were created before the visible material world came into existence - Job 38:4-7
In order for Lord Jesus to have the voice of The Archangel then Jesus had a per-human life - 1st Thess. 4:16
Heavenly Jesus thus being the promised 'seed' (Messiah) of Gen. 3:15 whom God would send to Earth for us

I believe Jesus is not mentioned in Gen 3:15. Also there is no time frame, so it can possibly be talking about the life of Jesus.

Bonkers. Jesus does not have the voice of an archangel; He is accompanied by an archangel who shouts. Your interpretation is out of context with the rest of the Bible.

 

[Muffled]

Genesis says of a married man and woman that they "become one flesh." Do you take that literally? And if not, then why would you turn around and take literally the very similar statement by Jesus that he is one with the father?

I believe I take it literally. My three kids are proof of it.

 

[Muffled]

I don't see what is so difficult about the Trinity.

It means that the Trinitarian Christianity take on God is that it is One yet has three aspects or emanations.

Whether they count as separate entities or as manifestations of a sole god is entirely a function of convenience of the moment.

Maybe it is easier for me to accept that because I do not expect Abraham's God to either exist nor to have a human-like personality.

I don't believe Jesus as a human being can be considered an aspect or emanation.

I see manifestation as too general a term. God manifested Himself to prophets but they were not part of the Trinity.

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't believe Jesus as a human being can be considered an aspect or emanation.

I see manifestation as too general a term. God manifested Himself to prophets but they were not part of the Trinity.

Unless you decide that they were, which is actually your privilege to use if you decide that you want to.

Adianta Vedanta sort of does, by a Hindu perspective.

Ultimately it is a matter of doctrinary preference that comes with corresponding dangers and responsibilities.

There is no one "true" choice, but there may well be choices that you can work with and others that you can not.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I believe I take it literally. My three kids are proof of it.

your kids are neither you nor your spouse.

 

[Muffled]

Unless you decide that they were, which is actually your privilege to use if you decide that you want to.

Adianta Vedanta sort of does, by a Hindu perspective.

Ultimately it is a matter of doctrinary preference that comes with corresponding dangers and responsibilities.

There is no one "true" choice, but there may well be choices that you can work with and others that you can not.

The context of the Trinity is a progression that leads to the third member, the Paraclete. The prophets do not do that.

 

[Muffled]

your kids are neither you nor your spouse.

I believe my kids share genes from the two of us making one flesh out of two people.

 

[LuisDantas]

The context of the Trinity is a progression that leads to the third member, the Paraclete. The prophets do not do that.

That may well be. I would not know one way or another.

I take it that you consider the validation by your prophets important in some way? Why?