Demonic Kitten
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Well according the the bible we are all God's children. Jesus is the only begotten son of God so remember how Jesus was created.
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The Trinity
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REASON_236
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Psalms:2:7: I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.(David speaking)
well, David is also the begotten son of God and if Jesus was 'created' that means he is not eternal.
u didn't answer me what made Jesus specifically the ONLY begotten son of God
Demonic Kitten
Active Member
Yes I did, but in order to get the complete answer you would have to do a little digging and research. *sigh*
Mary, Mother of God, was visited by an angel or agent of God and was told that she would have a son. That Son should be named Jesus.
I'm not sure of how else to answer you (excent to tell you to read the bible) so any one is welcome to give me a hand here.
Lucian
Theologian
Bingo!
It means he is unique. See the literal translation: John 3:16 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
REASON_236
Member
i have searched the term 'mother of god' in the bible and it doesn't appear. i know that she is the mother of Jesus. but where does Jesus say that he is god and where does the say that Marry is the mother of God.
REASON_236
Member
thanks for the reference but this is according to John's interpretation. what did Jesus say. my own salvation does not depend on the interpretation of anyone however close to Jesus. did Jesus specifically said that he is God or did he say warship me?
Lucian
Theologian
Well that is kind of what a Trinity means, but other than that of course it is... If the Father is divine, the Son is divine, and the Holy Spirit divine, and as the Bible says, there is only one God, then they must be the same...Lucian said:
The claim of Jesus to current existence before Abraham(Before Abraham was, I am) was considered a claim of divinity at the time...Reason said:
That aside, John clearly calls Jesus God in John 1:1.
If Jesus is God, and Mary is the mother of Jesus, then Mary is the mother of God.
If you believe the Bible accurately conveys the messages of Jesus, that is exactly what Jesus said... John 3:16 is attributed to Jesus...
He accepted divine worship, Thomas exclaimed him "My Lord and my God", without rebuke.
Yes to the first, Mary is the Theotokos, no she is not divine herself.xkatz said:
xkatz
Well-Known Member
Ok but can you define the term Theotokos please?
My apologies...
Theotokos literally, one who gives birth to God... simply mother of God...
REASON_236
Member
in the original greek scriptures, the first time the word God appears is written 'Theos' (meaning The God) refering to the Almighty. the second time this word appears, it is written 'Hotheos' (meaning A god).
the translation should be" In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God (or The God) and the Word was A god.
the two terms are not referring to the Almighty in greek, 'a god' means 'godly'
wrong translations cause confusion.
the the trinity was proposed in the nicene creed , 300 years after Jesus left this earth, there was a bishop called Arius who, along with some followers, opposed the idea of the divinity of Jesus Christ. but majority ruled and Arius was exiled for his beliefs. jesus NEVER said that he is God, not in any version of the bible. how could he have missed such an important fact and never speak about it
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
You've got that backwards.
Perhaps someone with no knowledge of Greek should not be giving lessons.
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sky cake
Member
because christians can make the bible say anything they need it to say at that time, the simple fact is if jesus is god,or part god then he fathered himself, which means he slep with his own mother, and the human/jesus part broke a few laws with that one. so jesus could not have been sinless, god did not marry, mary so that makes jesus a *******. it does not matter that jesus had joseph as a step-father, which begs the question if god abhors man and animals having sex, how does he get a pass here with having SEX with mary?:drool:
What fun would that be?
Lucian
Theologian
Kind of, yes: It means they are one, but not the same thing. The three are one, and the first one is the one God. The Bible states there is the only true God, the Father, and then Sons of God, all who are one. The Sons of God are stated to be Gods, capable of dying, yet there is only one true God, the immortal Father. They are not the same, but are one, united in love under the guiding will of the Father. And so in the end, God will be all in all.
REASON_236
Member
this is so confusing :thud:
whatever u say, u cannot convince ur mind that they are one. u will always think of them as separate beings
xkatz
Well-Known Member
Yes but doesn't the Father being god and the Trinity (which the Father is part of) being god create a paradox?
REASON_236
Member
You've got that backwards.
Perhaps someone with no knowledge of Greek should not be giving lessons.
sorry about the mistake. but my translation is still correct according to the new world translation (hotheos=The God; ton theon= A God)