The Trinity

[Sculelos]

I believe you simply don't believe God when He says something. That is different. No amount of sourcing can fix unbelief.

This is true. If you don't believe the Bible. You don't believe God or Jesus.

And let's remember what Jesus will say to those who believe in him yet ignore him. (From Matthew 7)

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Sha'irullah]

This is true. If you don't believe the Bible. You don't believe God or Jesus.

I hope you mean just Yahweh. Because many people believe in god without the need of Christianity

 

[Sculelos]

I hope you mean just Yahweh. Because many people believe in god without the need of Christianity

You will only be judged with how you act in accordance to your own intellect. God will not judge you harshly if you have few talents as long as you follow the law "Written on your Heart" aka as long as you do what your subconscious is telling you what is right. (Saying you believe in something means nothing if you don't do anything about it)

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I believe it helps if you have reasoning skills instead of just saying the first thing that pops into your head.

I like the way Sesame Street puts it (to get to a level you can understand). "Three of these things go together" Now if I have a red rubeer ball, a blue rubber ball and a green rubber ball, how many substances are there three or one. My math says there is only one substance in the three balls and that is rubber.

So God's a rubber ball?

 

[Sha'irullah]

You will only be judged with how you act in accordance to your own intellect. God will not judge you harshly if you have few talents as long as you follow the law "Written on your Heart" aka as long as you do what your subconscious is telling you what is right. (Saying you believe in something means nothing if you don't do anything about it)

What exactly is the law "written in my heart"?
And how would I act on what I believe?

For starters the law written in my heart is the laws of biology which govern its behavior.
As for what I act upon and my sincere beliefs I profess. I believe that all negativities of mankind that lead to its self destruction should be erased. Down to biological diseases to the social owns. Any religion, ideology or political view that opposes such must be reformed, altered or rethought to conform with social order. If not it must be destroyed with the weapons of sharp tongues and wise minds.

 

[Shermana]

The Law being written on your heart, as explained to Jeremiah, was the same Law Moses received, it's just a matter apparently of not having to be taught, or something like it never being forgotten again. It doesn't even necessarily mean an immediate prophetic event but could be one of the "unfolding" ones.

It's amazing the strange interpretations of how the meaning of the terms of that "Law" must have radically changed when Jeremiah received it, as if he would have understood some totally other context was being explained.

 

[Almustafa]

In the name of the father( who is Mother nature)
the son(the child of God, individual being or soul)
& the Holy Spirit (all energy everywhere)

 

[sojourner]

The differences here is that the Tauraw is no mere letter to an individual.
I do not even think one can compared the Tauraw to the Epistles of Paul. Whether they are orthodoxy or Orthopraxy they should not be included as books in the Bible. There is nothing wrong with having additional outside texts

No. They are various kinds of literature, not the least of which is mythological epic.

Why would one choose to try to compare things that aren't comparable?

Why do you think they shouldn't be included? What kinds of literature do you think ought to be included? Why? What, in your opinion, separates a canonical text from an extra-canonical text?

 

[sojourner]

This is true. If you don't believe the Bible. You don't believe God or Jesus.

And let's remember what Jesus will say to those who believe in him yet ignore him. (From Matthew 7)

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Christians believed in God for over 400 years without a bible.

 

[Sculelos]

What exactly is the law "written in my heart"?
And how would I act on what I believe?

I suppose you would know. If it makes you exceedingly happy, if it makes you want to jump for joy. If it makes you want to tell the whole world about it. If it makes you willing to give your life for it, in an instant. If you would give all your possessions away just to get it. If it helps others and you as well, that's about it....

 

[sojourner]

This is true. If you don't believe the Bible. You don't believe God or Jesus.

Christian faith is not primarily contained in words on a page. It is primarily contained in acts of lovingkindness toward one's neighbor.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

In the name of the father( who is Mother nature)
the son(the child of God, individual being or soul)
& the Holy Spirit (all energy everywhere)

Isn't saying the Father is Mother Nature sort of... contradictory?

Then again the whole Trinity seems a bit contradictory when you think about it, so I'll keep quiet now.

 

[Almustafa]

Isn't saying the Father is Mother Nature sort of... contradictory?

Then again the whole Trinity seems a bit contradictory when you think about it, so I'll keep quiet now.

God has no gender it created gender, God was around before gender ever was...

God is the supreme, nothing is higher than God & God is perceived in three ways

Mother-Nature is useually the "deity" or personable features given to God in Pantheism(the understanding that God is everywhere & in all things)

mother-nature is everything, however when a brain/intellect generates a personality & falls under the assumption that it is seperate from Nature.

so come the "GOD the Father" aspect , this aspect of God is the aspect we pray to, we ask for help in times of need, when we call out into the universe for help it is God; the father we cry out to. this only exists as long as the son exists to contradict it.

next "GOD, the Son" is the child(ren) of God, when an intellect falls under the delusion that it is seperate & isolated from the rest of existence, God becomes all individuals everywhere. YOU(whoever is reading), are the son of God, & You will only exist as long as you beleive there is something outside yourself, something "other than" YOU, who are Mother Nature...

then; The Holy Spirit; this was Christs way of saying "Consciousness", like the ether, like wind, like space, it fills all with its quarters, it pervades & penetrates all things, it is the self of god & man...
when a being cleanses all ignorance of seperation through love, through learning, through having a child, through a drug trip, through worshiping a deity, through meditation on the formless, through a near death experience, etc...
we experience "yoga"(union with God) just like Jesus Christ did("me & my father are one.")
in Yoga(union with God) both the individual & deity cease to exist, & only the formless Holy Spirit appears to exist.

 

[Sculelos]

God is the Father (+). Time is the Mother (-). Jesus is the Result. (+-)

 

[Muffled]

I know all of these things which is the part that worries me. Why do Paul's various Epistles to the church of Corinthians and others have dogmatic relevancy in the Bible?

I believe the requirement was for the writer to be an apostle, although I suspect James is simply the head of the church. I believe the second requirement is for the writing to be inspired. Theoretically the canon is closed and certtainly ecclesiastically it is viewed that way but men still are capable of writing things while inspired by God. Maybe even Calvin was inspired although I deisagree with him on some things. I have met Presbyterians who have a tendency to think of Calvin as good for dogma as Paul.

 

[Muffled]

Well I should ask you why is it you abandoned your reasoning skills in favor of blunt mockeries.

If you wish to have a serious discussion do not expect to get it by using idiocy as a method of conversing. Considering the fact that I am having multiple debates at 1 time only proves who has better reasoning skills.

You could start by reading the whole post. Did I sidetrack you by stating the obvious?

However as Sheldon Cooper put it on Big Bang Theory "we are conversing."

This is another illogical statement. Multiiplication of words does not indicate reasoning skills. I have a sister-in-law who can babble on about nothing for hours and make very little sense doing it. I am not going to get into a comparison competition even though I could because I don't see it as productive. However I will point out when you are being illogical.

 

[Muffled]

It has nothing to do with my belief. If I didn't believe Jesus was the object of the prophecies, I wouldn't be a Xtian. This has to do with what the prophecies, themselves, are saying. The prophecies do not say, "Jesus of Nazareth will come and fulfill all these things." The fulfiller of the prophecies remains unnamed in the prophecies, themselves. Ergo, the writers of the prophecies were not thinking "Jesus" when they wrote them. That's why we can't use them as proof-texts for our beliefs. We can look at them and say "we believe these prophecies have been fulfilled," but we can't look at them and say, "See! I told you Jesus is the Messiah!" Perceived fulfillment of prophecy does not prove Jesus as Messiah.

It comes close: Zec 6:11 yea, take of them silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Jehozadak, the high priest;
12 and speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh Jehovah of hosts, saying, Behold, the man whose name is the Branch: and he shall grow up out of his place; and he shall build the temple of Jehovah;
13 even he shall build the temple of Jehovah; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne; and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

1+1+1=1? or 1+1+1=3 or 1+1+1= something else?

It is simple...here is a example...

Me = human
Wife = human
Son = human

I am a different person than my wife and son, but we all share the same human nature. My wife is a different person than me and our son, but we all share the same human name. Our son is a different person than my wife and me, but we all share the same human nature.

Now, take God...

Jesus = God
Jehovah = God
Holy Spirit = God

Jesus is a different person than Jehovah and the Holy Spirit, but they all share the same Divine nature. Jehovah is a different person than Jesus and the Holy Spirit, but they all share the same Divine nature. The Holy Spirit is a different person than Jesus and Jehovah, but they all share the same Divine nature.

These are the only living being that possess this kind of nature; the nature of Divinity.

Does this help?

 

[CG Didymus]

It is simple...here is a example...

Me = human
Wife = human
Son = human

I am a different person than my wife and son, but we all share the same human nature. My wife is a different person than me and our son, but we all share the same human name. Our son is a different person than my wife and me, but we all share the same human nature.

Now, take God...

Jesus = God
Jehovah = God
Holy Spirit = God

Jesus is a different person than Jehovah and the Holy Spirit, but they all share the same Divine nature. Jehovah is a different person than Jesus and the Holy Spirit, but they all share the same Divine nature. The Holy Spirit is a different person than Jesus and Jehovah, but they all share the same Divine nature.

These are the only living being that possess this kind of nature; the nature of Divinity.

Does this help?

How is that different than a Hindu saying Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are God? Or, how is that different than a Jew saying G-d is one, and there is only one G-d?

 

[sojourner]

It comes close: Zec 6:11 yea, take of them silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Jehozadak, the high priest;
12 and speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh Jehovah of hosts, saying, Behold, the man whose name is the Branch: and he shall grow up out of his place; and he shall build the temple of Jehovah;
13 even he shall build the temple of Jehovah; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne; and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.