The Truth about the war in Ukraine

[icehorse]

Excellent, excellent podcast link below. The discussion starts around 20 minutes in.

Key points (which don't do the podcast justice):

- Putin declared recently that the "Ukraine is a construct that never should have existed". He wants things to go back to "normal" there. (Putin's words, not mine)

- The west has been living in a dream-state and we're distracted. It's a perfect time for an expansionist to expand.

- We cannot "not play the game". We in the west have a choice of who we want to live under:
- the "evil capitalistic" west
- Russia
- China

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I recently hear a great term "first order problem". The idea is that some problems are simply more urgent and foundational than others. E.g. having oxygen is more important than having a house. Having a house is important, but less important than having oxygen.

In the west, we are letting ourselves be distracted by not-first-order problems. It's not that these problems aren't ultimately important, they're just not as urgent.

(The main talk is about an hour, and it's all good. But if you don't have an hour, starting around 20 minutes in and watching for 10-15 minutes will give you a great overview.)

 

[Kooky]

Would you mind elaborating on why you consider this source particularly reliable, trustworthy, or insightful with regards to the situation in Ukraine?

 

[icehorse]

Would you mind elaborating on why you consider this source particularly reliable, trustworthy, or insightful with regards to the situation in Ukraine?

Read the wikipedia page on Konstantin Kisin, the main speaker. And read just the first 20 comments or so. Over the course of the last 8 years on RF I have posted relatively few links to podcasts. I really dislike wasting people's time. I cannot do this podcast justice in the course of a few posts.

 

[Kooky]

Read the wikipedia page on Konstantin Kisin, the main speaker.

Konstantin Kisin - Wikipedia

Konstantin Kisin (Russian: Константин Кисин) is a Russian-British comedian and political commentator. Kisin regularly writes for a number of publications including Quillette, The Spectator, The Daily Telegraph and Standpoint on issues relating to tech censorship, woke culture, comedy and so-called "culture war" topics.

In 2018 Kisin made headlines when he refused to sign a "behavioural agreement" form explaining a "no tolerance policy" with regard to racism, sexism, classism, ageism, homophobia, biphobia, xenophobia, Islamophobia, anti-religion and anti-atheism[3] when asked to perform at a fundraising gig for UNICEF at SOAS, University of London. The form explained those topics were not banned, but stated the topics should be discussed in a "respectful and non-abusive way" and must be presented in a way that is "kind".

I'm going to be honest, this makes him sound like just another Roganesque right-wing radiohead.

It also doesn't make it sound like he would have anything particularly noteworthy or informative to say on the subject that any other random Russian-born person wouldn't have, either.

 

[icehorse]

Konstantin Kisin - Wikipedia

I'm going to be honest, this makes him sound like just another Roganesque right-wing radiohead.

It also doesn't make it sound like he would have anything particularly noteworthy or informative to say on the subject that any other random Russian-born person wouldn't have, either.

I watched the podcast, and you didn't. So thank you so much for providing your ad hoc reckoning.

 

[Nakosis]

Well, it's putting it out there that Russia and China currently see the West as weak.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, it's putting it out there that Russia and China currently see the West as weak.

That wasn't so hard.
You saved me the trouble of watching another video.

I prefer to post my own thoughts, & then provide
videos & articles only as support & additional
background. Heaven forbid that RF become
a forum where we just post links at each other.

 

[F1fan]

Well, it's putting it out there that Russia and China currently see the West as weak.

Weak = avoiding the chaos and death of war (because two world wars offered an excellent tutorial as to why war sucks and solves nothing)

 

[Nakosis]

Weak = avoiding the chaos and death of war (because two world wars offered an excellent tutorial as to why war sucks and solves nothing)

Sure war sucks but at what point is freedom worth defending?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Well, it's putting it out there that Russia and China currently see the West as weak.

That much is obvious.

Look at the clowns in charge today.

 

[F1fan]

That much is obvious.

Look at the clowns in charge today.

At least the USA got rid of trump, so we don't have a clown in charge any more.

 

[F1fan]

Sure war sucks but at what point is freedom worth defending?

I'm not sure what you are asking. Was the American Revolution wrong? Was the French Revolution wrong? Was the Russian Revolution wrong? Was the India Revolution wrong?

Offer better options if you say yes.

 

[icehorse]

That wasn't so hard.
You saved me the trouble of watching another video.

I prefer to post my own thoughts, & then provide
videos & articles only as support & additional
background. Heaven forbid that RF become
a forum where we just post links at each other.

Which is why I provided my summary of the key points - with which I agree. How helpful am I?

 

[Revoltingest]

Which is why I provided my summary of the key points - with which I agree. How helpful am I?

Didn't appear to have clear theme.
Some ambiguity.

 

[Twilight Hue]

At least the USA got rid of trump, so we don't have a clown in charge any more.

Of course.

Now it's grown to become a full fledged circus and freak side show.

 

[icehorse]

Didn't appear to have clear theme.
Some ambiguity.

Well there ARE several themes to the situation.

There is some ambiguity in your claim of ambiguity

 

[Kooky]

I watched the podcast, and you didn't. So thank you so much for providing your ad hoc reckoning.

You told me to look up his Wiki page.
Maybe you shouldn't have done that if you don't like what it says about him there?

But thank you so much for reminding me why talking to you is generally a waste of my time.

 

[PureX]

I watched the whole video.

I think it may be a bit overstated. I also think the guy has some issues with 'woke' culture. But ultimately what he says makes sense. Especially in light of Putin's speech. Unfortunately, I don't see this as being a wake-up call for the west. On the other hand, if Putin's as smart as people think, he will be very careful not to do anything that would act as a wake-up call to the west. (China as well.) His plan is only going to work for as long as we remain asleep at the wheel. We still have a massive and very powerful military, and we are a people who like to fight (being idiotically self-righteous and morally delusional). And that's not something he's gonna want to take on directly.

 

[Nakosis]

I'm not sure what you are asking. Was the American Revolution wrong? Was the French Revolution wrong? Was the Russian Revolution wrong? Was the India Revolution wrong?

Offer better options if you say yes.

What I'm asking is how much freedom are you willing to give up for peace.

 

[PureX]

What I'm asking is how much freedom are you willing to give up for peace.

It's not something we get to decide for ourseves, in most instances. Peace is participatory.