The truth behind Ron Wyatt's archaeological discoveries.

[Ancient Soul]

That's fair comment. But in the case of the Holy Ark, there is biblical evidence, and a tradition, that supports the idea that Jeremiah was involved in hiding the Ark.

You cannot use a book of mythology to prove anything.

Under your premise ALL of the man made "god" constructs are real because they were written down in books or on stone structures.

 

[Redemptionsong]

There was NO Moses, No Noah, No Abraham, No Joshua. Those stories are didactic literature,

Trained archaeologists aren't looking for proofs of MYTHOS.. That was rejected 70 years ago.

Let's follow your thinking through to its logical conclusion. In Luke 24:13-35, you have the story of Jesus' resurrection appearance to two disciples on the road to Emmaus.

This is what it says in Luke 24:26,27.
'Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he [Jesus] expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.'

Either Jesus was deluded, a liar, or the Messiah. You can't have it every way.

You certainly shouldn't be claiming to believe that Jesus was the Messiah without accepting the words of Moses and all the prophets.

 

[Redemptionsong]

You cannot use a book of mythology to prove anything.

Under your premise ALL of the man made "god" constructs are real because they were written down in books or on stone structures.

I beg to differ. I do not believe the Bible to be a book of myth. Not every word of scripture is to be understood literally, but this does not make the Bible a book of myth.

 

[sooda]

Let's follow your thinking through to its logical conclusion. In Luke 24:13-35, you have the story of Jesus' resurrection appearance to two disciples on the road to Emmaus.

This is what it says in Luke 24:26,27.
'Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he [Jesus] expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.'

Either Jesus was deluded, a liar, or the Messiah. You can't have it every way.

You certainly shouldn't be claiming to believe that Jesus was the Messiah without accepting the words of Moses and all the prophets.

Making a point using a well known foundational myth doesn't seem odd to me for Bronze Age people.

If I said to you, "remember the boy who cried wolf", would you believe the fable was real? BTW, Aesop's Fables were written around the same time as the OT.

 

[Redemptionsong]

He was proven to be a complete fraud.

I have never had this proven to me, so maybe you can supply the proof.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Even Wyatt's followers have turned on him.. He preyed on the naive investors that he targeted and he's a joke among ALL trained archaeologists.

Where is the evidence to back up these allegations?

 

[sooda]

Where is the evidence to back up these allegations?

How much do you need?

1. Ron Wyatt - RationalWiki
   rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ron_Wyatt
   Ron Wyatt (1933 - 1999) was a pseudoarchaeologist famed for alleged discoveries of material evidence in support of some of the major events recorded in the Bible. His work was typically rejected by mainstream archaeology and Christians alike, the bulk of his support coming from the more extreme fringes of evangelical Christianity.
   
   
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Ron Wyatt, the "Indiana Jones" of the SDA Church : Christian ...
www.christiancourier.com/articles/1511-ron-wyatt...
Yet more than two decades after his death, the ongoing boasts of his unparalleled “finds” are heralded via the Wyatt Archaeological Research website and the various competing factions that publicize his exploits. Ron Wyatt Exposed. His work has been debunked thoroughly by professional archaeologists and respected biblical scholars.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Making a point using a well known foundational myth doesn't seem odd to me for Bronze Age people.

If I said to you, "remember the boy who cried wolf", would you believe the fable was real? BTW, Aesop's Fables were written around the same time as the OT.

Jesus wasn't talking about a mythical creature, he was talking about himself!

Jesus believed the Torah prophesied the coming of Christ, and Jesus claimed to be the Christ. Was he deluded, or was he making a genuine claim?

 

[sooda]

Ron Wyatt - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wyatt
Archaeologist Joe Zias of Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) has stated that "Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary....

 

[sooda]

Ron Wyatt Archaeological Research Fraud Documentation (WAR, W ...
www.tentmaker.org/WAR
Ron Wyatt Archaeological Research Fraud Documentation (If the reader is looking for quotes on war(s) visit: quotes on war The following is an expose of W.A.R., Wyatt Archaeological Research and Ron Wyatt.)


Fake News In Biblical Archaeology – Bible Archaeology Report
biblearchaeologyreport.com/2018/10/11/fake-news...
Oct 11, 2018 · In actual fact, Ron Wyatt’s work has universally debunked by respected archaeologists and scholars. In fact, even two ministers in his own denomination (Seven Day Adventist) wrote an entire book called, “Holy Relics or Revelation: Examining the claims of Ron Wyatt” to show his work was largely a hoax. 3

 

[Redemptionsong]

How much do you need?

1. Ron Wyatt - RationalWiki
   rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ron_Wyatt
   Ron Wyatt (1933 - 1999) was a pseudoarchaeologist famed for alleged discoveries of material evidence in support of some of the major events recorded in the Bible. His work was typically rejected by mainstream archaeology and Christians alike, the bulk of his support coming from the more extreme fringes of evangelical Christianity.
   
   

Ron Wyatt, the "Indiana Jones" of the SDA Church : Christian ...
www.christiancourier.com/articles/1511-ron-wyatt...
Yet more than two decades after his death, the ongoing boasts of his unparalleled “finds” are heralded via the Wyatt Archaeological Research website and the various competing factions that publicize his exploits. Ron Wyatt Exposed. His work has been debunked thoroughly by professional archaeologists and respected biblical scholars.

Which biblical 'finds' have been so thoroughly debunked? There have always been disagreements amongst Christian scholars, so that alone does not prove a point.

You need to be more specific, and demonstrate exactly which of his claims are bogus and why. As I stated at the beginning, there are some sites that I believe he got wrong, but his work still creates useful discussion and comparison.

Instead of slating the man, we should thank him for opening our eyes to new archaeological possibilities that better fit the scriptures.

 

[sooda]

Jesus wasn't talking about a mythical creature, he was talking about himself!

Jesus believed the Torah prophesied the coming of Christ, and Jesus claimed to be the Christ. Was he deluded, or was he making a genuine claim?

The Torah prophesies the coming of an anointed warrior king who will defeat the Romans.

Christians have grabbed prophecy about Immanuel (son of Isaiah) or Cyrus the Great and claimed they are predicting the Christ.

They claim the suffering servant is Jesus when it plainly says Israel.

Same with Hosea 11:1

When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Ron Wyatt - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wyatt
Archaeologist Joe Zias of Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) has stated that "Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary....

I accept that he may not have had a legal license.

 

[sooda]

Which biblical 'finds' have been so thoroughly debunked? There have always been disagreements amongst Christian scholars, so that alone does not prove a point.

You need to be more specific, and demonstrate exactly which of his claims are bogus and why. As I stated at the beginning, there are some sites that I believe he got wrong, but his work still creates useful discussion and comparison.

Instead of slating the man, we should thank him for opening our eyes to new archaeological possibilities that better fit the scriptures.

You are about 50 years behind.. Archaeologists don't set out the prove the Bible or torture the evidence anymore.The last of that sort of crook was Hayseed Stephens who collaborated with World Net Daily to pull off a major stock swindle in 1998 and defrauded so many fundamentalist Christians out of their life savings.

Robert Ballard is still around and on the fringes of hoax, but even he is not so bold as the charlatans of the past.

 

[Redemptionsong]

The Torah prophesies the coming of an anointed warrior king who will defeat the Romans.

Christians have grabbed prophecy about Immanuel (son of Isaiah) or Cyrus the Great and claimed they are predicting the Christ.

They claim the suffering servant is Jesus when it plainly says Israel.

Same with Hosea 11:1

When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

You appear to be glossing over the point, here. It was not just anyone making the claim that the Torah wrote about him. It was Jesus making the claim that he was the Christ. Without the background evidence of the Torah and Prophets no claim to being the Messiah could be legitimized.

 

[sooda]

You appear to be glossing over the point, here. It was not just anyone making the claim that the Torah wrote about him. It was Jesus making the claim that he was the Christ. Without the background evidence of the Torah and Prophets no claim to being the Messiah could be legitimized.

According to the gospel writers. Luke and Mark never met Jesus nor did Paul.

For an observant Jew to claim he was the Messiah would be REALLY weird.

 

[Redemptionsong]

You are about 50 years behind.. Archaeologists don't set out the prove the Bible or torture the evidence anymore.The last of that sort of crook was Hayseed Stephens who collaborated with World Net Daily to pull off a major stock swindle in 1998 and defrauded so many fundamentalist Christians out of their life savings.

Robert Ballard is still around and on the fringes of hoax, but even he is not so bold as the charlatans of the past.

The approach to archeology has changed but this does not change the relevance of the Bible, or its genuine history, to the sites being uncovered.

I have no doubt there have been frauds, but I believe that it is wrong to mistake a desire to uncover the truths of the Bible with overtly fraudulent behaviour. I do not believe Ron Wyatt's work was based on a desire to make money, but on a desire to uncover the history of Israel, and what he understood to be the literal truths of the Bible.

Archeology continues to perform a task, and the methods employed change over time. The Bible remains a constant and unchanging source of information for all who wish to study its contents. As far as I know, there have not been any archaeological finds that dispute, or undermine, the words of scripture. Do you know of any?

 

[Peter Son]

That's fair comment. But in the case of the Holy Ark, there is biblical evidence, and a tradition, that supports the idea that Jeremiah was involved in hiding the Ark.

Yes, you are right!

 

[Redemptionsong]

According to the gospel writers. Luke and Mark never met Jesus nor did Paul.

For an observant Jew to claim he was the Messiah would be REALLY weird.

But Jesus did claim to be the Messiah. And he did fulfil the Law that you claim is just a myth.

The arguments against Luke, Mark and Paul are without foundation, not because they may not have met Jesus in the flesh and blood, but because their authority to pen scripture comes from the Holy Spirit. If this were not the case, it would have been impossible for Jesus to have said 'scripture cannot be broken' [John 10:35]. It is God that unites scripture in one unbroken Word.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Yes, you are right!

Thank you. It's nice to have someone watching your back!