The truth behind Ron Wyatt's archaeological discoveries.

[sooda]

That's fair comment. But in the case of the Holy Ark, there is biblical evidence, and a tradition, that supports the idea that Jeremiah was involved in hiding the Ark.

Supposedly the Ark is in Axum, Ethiopia or maybe its called Eretria now.

O, it could be another ark.. Most ancient bedu carried a box on a litter for their god... usually a meteor.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If someone claims to have found the Ark, what test will authenticate the find? What will distinguish the Ark from some very old wooden chest, or box for scrolls, or whatever?

Will it still work to allow one-on-one communication with Yahweh?

If it doesn't, will that prove it's not the Ark?

In the Bible just touching it, even to keep it from falling, will cause death. Are there any magic boxes killing people on the loose?

 

[exchemist]

To say that Genesis has been treated as allegorical since 200AD is a nonsense! The city of Jerusalem exists today and appears in scripture from very early times. Abraham is said to have met Melchizedek, the priest and king of Salem. That would have been around 1000 years BCE. Even if you think the encounter was allegorical, the city was not! The city existed and continued to exist.

I quote Dairmaid MacCulloch's* "History of Christianity", on Origen, one of the early Fathers of the Church, who was writing around 200AD :-

"...when he read the bible, he shared Greek and Hellenistic Jewish scepticism that some parts of it bore much significant literal meaning. Looking at the Genesis account of creation, "Who is so silly as to believe that God, after the manner of a farmer, planted a paradise eastward in Eden and set in it a visible and palpable tree of life, of such a sort that anyone who tasted its fruit with his bodily teeth would gain life?" Origen might be saddened to find that seventeen hundred years later, millions of Christians are that silly. He would try to tell them that such things were true, because all parts of the scriptures were divinely inspired truth, but they should not be read as if they were historical events, like the rise and fall of Persian dynasties."

*Professor of the History of the Church, Oxford.

Taking all these stories literally is a naive and retrograde practice that has grown up in the last 200 years, mainly among those Protestant sects that have thrown out the entire history of theological scholarship.

 

[PruePhillip]

I have changed my mind. New York City does prove that Spiderman is real. I always was a big fan.

Now imagine it's 1500 years into the future. New York has been
buried under nuclear debri all this time and has passed from
living memory. And someone writes a Spiderman story set in
a place called New York. New what?? Isn't York in the UK?
So you start to wonder - if the author described a city that later
was excavated then where did he get that information from?

 

[PruePhillip]

In the Bible just touching it, even to keep it from falling, will cause death. Are there any magic boxes killing people on the loose?

There's some evidence for the Ark of the Covenant.
The site in Shiloh (horns of the altar) has been found.
There's a suggestion it lay under what is now the Dome
of the Rock, and there's what appears to be an area
carved for its housing.
Arks were common in many civilizations.

 

[PruePhillip]

I quote Dairmaid MacCulloch's* "History of Christianity", on Origen, one of the early Fathers of the Church, who was writing around 200AD :-

"...when he read the bible, he shared Greek and Hellenistic Jewish scepticism that some parts of it bore much significant literal meaning. Looking at the Genesis account of creation, "Who is so silly as to believe that God, after the manner of a farmer, planted a paradise eastward in Eden and set in it a visible and palpable tree of life, of such a sort that anyone who tasted its fruit with his bodily teeth would gain life?" Origen might be saddened to find that seventeen hundred years later, millions of Christians are that silly. He would try to tell them that such things were true, because all parts of the scriptures were divinely inspired truth, but they should not be read as if they were historical events, like the rise and fall of Persian dynasties."

*Professor of the History of the Church, Oxford.

Taking all these stories literally is a naive and retrograde practice that has grown up in the last 200 years, mainly among those Protestant sects that have thrown out the entire history of theological scholarship.

So what story from Exodus onward are you having problems with.
Are you having problems with stories which turned out to be true?

 

[exchemist]

So what story from Exodus onward are you having problems with.
Are you having problems with stories which turned out to be true?

Read the thread.

 

[PruePhillip]

Read the thread.

It's about some quack archaeologist and his discoveries concerning
mostly Genesis.

 

[blü 2]

In the Bible just touching it, even to keep it from falling, will cause death. Are there any magic boxes killing people on the loose?

There's an old substation near here with threats to that effect written on it (though in English). They say it hums to itself too.

 

[sooda]

There's some evidence for the Ark of the Covenant.
The site in Shiloh (horns of the altar) has been found.
There's a suggestion it lay under what is now the Dome
of the Rock, and there's what appears to be an area
carved for its housing.
Arks were common in many civilizations.

There is also a claim that Solomon's son by Sheba took it to Ethiopia.

Menelik I is supposed to be the son of the biblical King Solomon of ancient Israel and Makeda, the Ethiopian Queen of Sheba. To date, no archaeological or textual data from the pre-Christian era has provided evidence for this legend.

 

[PruePhillip]

There is also a claim that Solomon's son by Sheba took it to Ethiopia.

Menelik I is supposed to be the son of the biblical King Solomon of ancient Israel and Makeda, the Ethiopian Queen of Sheba. To date, no archaeological or textual data from the pre-Christian era has provided evidence for this legend.

Got a book on the "finding" of the Ark right beside me. I take it with a piece of salt.
The story of the Ark's capture at Shiloh is told in Samuel. After that there's not a
lot said about it. If another nation took it I am sure it would be told in the bible, but
that nothing is said suggests to me it's hidden. You wouldn't put that in the bible.

 

[sooda]

Got a book on the "finding" of the Ark right beside me. I take it with a piece of salt.
The story of the Ark's capture at Shiloh is told in Samuel. After that there's not a
lot said about it. If another nation took it I am sure it would be told in the bible, but
that nothing is said suggests to me it's hidden. You wouldn't put that in the bible.

The story goes that because Solomon had so many foreign wives and let them worship their gods so the scribes turned against him.. Menelik took it to Axum to keep it safe.

 

[Redemptionsong]

No, it is merely a peak with some mildly interesting geology. Nothing that matches the Biblical myth when investigated.

Well, you are clearly not taking note of important biblical clues.

For a start, the land of Midian, which is where Horeb is sited, was the land in which Moses' father-in-law lived. It was here that Moses took up shepherding, and here that he had his 'burning bush' experience.

Another frequently overlooked passage of scripture is Galatians 4:25, which mentions the site of Mount Sinai as being in Arabia. Paul visited the mountain, just had Elijah had done many years previously.

 

[Redemptionsong]

There's also evidence for Yeti and Nessie.

It's weak. But stronger than that for the modern existence for The Ark.

I don't much doubt that the Ark existed millennia ago. It's quite plausible that an ancient group of nomads had such a thing.

But it's far less plausible that it still exists, much less that Wyatt found it and didn't bring it home.

Much more plausible is the premise that Wyatt learned how to manipulate gullible people with vague promises. That's been going on for centuries.
Tom

What motivated Ron Wyatt was a belief that the stories of the Bible were not pure myth. He believed in the history of the Jews was God's concern.

What lies at the root of your objection is a rejection of the Bible as the inspired word of God. Yet, on the basis of prophecy, there is good reason to believe the things written. No other book has come close in foretelling events, particularly as they relate to Israel.

 

[Redemptionsong]

New York city being real does not prove that Spiderman is real.

Once again, myths are often based upon real locations. The fact that Jerusalem is real does not help you.

In the 8th century before Christ, the prophet Isaiah prophesied the coming of a king of the Persians, named Cyrus. [Isaiah: 41:2-6; 44:28; 45:1-13; 46:11] The prophecy describes Cyrus as the deliverer of the Jews.

History records Cyrus as becoming king of Persia around 559 BCE. Cyrus went on to take Babylon and Assyria.

Cyrus may have read the prophecy that described him, but, whether he did or not, he passed a decree allowing the Jews to rebuild their temple.

This is not myth. You should start looking more carefully at the history that underlies the Bible. Did King David not live? Did Solomon not live? Did the Jews not get exiled to Babylon for seventy years?

 

[Audie]

Years ago, the biblical archaeologist and adventurer, Ron Wyatt, came to Britain to give talks about his discoveries. He was giving talks in the county of Oxfordshire, England. I invited him to speak at the school where I taught, and he kindly spoke to our students about the things he had discovered during his archaeological adventures in the Near/Middle East. He was involved in the search for such things as Noah's ark, the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, the resting place of the Holy Ark, and the site of Mount Horeb (Sinai).

I have my doubts about the sites he associated with Sodom and Gomorrah, because he located these cities at the southern end of the Dead Sea, whereas I believe, from the scriptural evidence, that they were at the northern end; but, apart from that, I have a lot of sympathy with his detective work and honesty before God.

To me, the most striking of his discoveries were the site of Mount Horeb, in Arabia, and the place that he associated with the Holy Ark, Jeremiah's Grotto.

Some of Ron's discoveries have since received a lot of attention, especially the site he associated with the grounding of Noah's ark in eastern Turkey. Mount Horeb has also received a lot of attention, not least from Saudi authorities.

What, I wonder, is the situation with Jermiah's Grotto and the Holy Ark? Do Israeli authorities know about Ron Wyatt's claims to have found its hiding place? Maybe you know more than I do and can tell me more?

goodness. the only prob you could see was with the site of
sodom and gomorrah?

a little knowledge of geology or some travel and you'd
see those are natural badlands formations

Same as noahs ark in turkey is a natural formation with
similar ones all over the world.

 

[Audie]

What motivated Ron Wyatt was a belief that the stories of the Bible were not pure myth. He believed in the history of the Jews was God's concern.

What lies at the root of your objection is a rejection of the Bible as the inspired word of God. Yet, on the basis of prophecy, there is good reason to believe the things written. No other book has come close in foretelling events, particularly as they relate to Israel.

You know his motivation for being a fraud?

 

[Audie]

The Saudi authorities had NOTHING to do with Wyatt. He simply LIED.

More than once.

There was a precher some years ago who said he had
discovered the noahs ark in turkey, and puclicized
with photos the pieces of wood from it he was bringing
back to the USA. OF COURSE the Tuyrkish authorities
confiscated the wood.

Perfect! Hatta hand it to the guy, a pretty good con.

 

[Audie]

That's fair comment. But in the case of the Holy Ark, there is biblical evidence, and a tradition, that supports the idea that Jeremiah was involved in hiding the Ark.

Of course the proof that there never was such an event as
the flood wont spoil a good faith

 

[Redemptionsong]

I quote Dairmaid MacCulloch's* "History of Christianity", on Origen, one of the early Fathers of the Church, who was writing around 200AD :-

"...when he read the bible, he shared Greek and Hellenistic Jewish scepticism that some parts of it bore much significant literal meaning. Looking at the Genesis account of creation, "Who is so silly as to believe that God, after the manner of a farmer, planted a paradise eastward in Eden and set in it a visible and palpable tree of life, of such a sort that anyone who tasted its fruit with his bodily teeth would gain life?" Origen might be saddened to find that seventeen hundred years later, millions of Christians are that silly. He would try to tell them that such things were true, because all parts of the scriptures were divinely inspired truth, but they should not be read as if they were historical events, like the rise and fall of Persian dynasties."

*Professor of the History of the Church, Oxford.

Taking all these stories literally is a naive and retrograde practice that has grown up in the last 200 years, mainly among those Protestant sects that have thrown out the entire history of theological scholarship.

Ron Wyatt's investigations did not relate to the events of Genesis 1,2. They focused on events that occur much later in the human story. The earliest of these is the story of Noah, and the next in chronological order would be Sodom and Gomorrah. He believed these events to be literal and historical, but did not reject the allegorical nature of the accounts either.

Everyone who reads these ancient biblical records has a responsibility to study them carefully before reaching conclusions. I personally find it hard to accept that the sixty-six books of the Christian Bible, written over 1500 years, could have been a man-made deception. They fit together so perfectly that, in my opinion, only God could have been their author.

That's the position I reached after careful study. As the scriptures say, 'work out your own salvation with fear and trembling'. [Phil. 2:12]